There's a fundamental flaw, and mis-attribution, that I think underlies any stance based off red pill thinking

There's a fundamental flaw, and mis-attribution, that I think underlies any stance based off red pill thinking.

"No More Mr Nice Guy" is a good launching off point for starting to detangle the mess that is intrapersonal relations. But in the assumption that masculinity is under attack, is the inherent flaw.

True feminism, is for equality and equity of the sexes. Nothing more nothing less. If you look past the outliers, you will notice this as a common theme.

I am here for a purely intellectual debate. I'm not here to degrade. I'm here to understand, and persuade if my argument holds merit.

That being said.
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The outliers are the feminists who aren't total cunts. Also you're using this feminine argument strategy where you pretend to concede at first but then re-affirm your point again.

Slippery slope fallacy. One to Two to Three doesn't seem that huge idealogically. Three to Four is a huge step.

I think the anger and frustration with third wave is almost well targeted. But you're peering into the discussions that have happened for hundreds of years. Just one aspect of a whole. It's more anti-intellectual to forbid exploring genders. Of course they all sound rabid, don't you sometimes.

Statistically there are likely to be cunts on both sides right? they cancel out.

Feminism pros:
>I don't have to impress women
>Women have to impress me
>It doesn't even matter if I have a job
>It doesn't matter if I take drugs
>It doesn't mater if I'll make a good father >Nothing matters
>I get to fuck whenever I like
Feminism cons:
>I don't have to impress women
>Women have to impress me
>It doesn't even matter if I have a job
>It doesn't matter if I take drugs
>It doesn't mater if I'll make a good father >Nothing matters
>I get to fuck whenever I like
Really it's just a matter of perspective imo

Feminism pros:
>I don't have to impress women
You still have to impress women sorry
>Women have to impress me
Statistically some women won't want to.
>It doesn't even matter if I have a job
It depends where your locus of blame is
>It doesn't matter if I take drugs
It depends if you are in control, or not of your habit
>It doesn't mater if I'll make a good father >Nothing matters
It very much matters, more so than anything.
>I get to fuck whenever I like
Sorry that's still a problem.

Feminism cons:
>I don't have to impress women
>Women have to impress me
>It doesn't even matter if I have a job
>It doesn't matter if I take drugs
>It doesn't mater if I'll make a good father >Nothing matters
>I get to fuck whenever I like

expanding on this, normies freak the fuck out when they see Sup Forums. They don't understand right?

Feel familiar?

False equivalency

No

Idealogically, redpill has merit, it exists as a counterance to the other extreme. I just want to emphasise that I believe it's a legitimate problem. the solution is comprised of two parts imho.

Self compassion. You are only where you are, you forgive yourself, you accept where you are and start building on it.
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Character Ethic vs Personality Ethic
This is why people 100 years ago seemed so much more real. It's because they were.
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Could you explain why? Is Sup Forums not an anarchy where ideas are discussed without limits?

>You still have to impress women sorry
Nope. Go back to 1955 or thereabouts and I actually would have had to have a career or steady job. Now I can be a drug addict and it doesn't matter. Women used to aim for higher-status partners. Not any more.
>Statistically some women won't want to.
Oh well. Plenty to choose from so it doesn't matter.
>It depends where your locus of blame is
What do you mean? I'm not gonna work if I can leech off someone else. Women want to work now for some reason. I'm ok with that.
>It depends if you are in control, or not of your habit
Absolute raving maniac. Out of control. Habitual drug user for 20 years. Most women seem to not really mind that.
>It very much matters, more so than anything.
Sorry not any more. Look around you. Women don't care about this any more.
>Sorry that's still a problem.
Not for me. You think I could have lived like this in 1955? What about 1905? Feminism did this. Women's liberation did this. If women want to have sex with scumbags all the time then I'm more than happy to oblige.

Sup Forums is half far right echochamber, half transsexual porn star fan forum. And your post is shitty bait.

All I can say is: chastity was not a virtue based on blind ignorance and hatred towards females. If you have questions about this you can see how women's sexual "liberation" correlates with how men view them.

No it was somewhat based on STD's and the fact that birth control didn't exist

I'm not trying to bait.

>True feminism, is for equality and equity of the sexes. Nothing more nothing less. If you look past the outliers, you will notice this as a common theme.

If that were the case then the name would be “equalism.”

Feminism gives females a higher priority in its very name and can therefore never be equitable

Maybe those women who go with drug addicts, are drug addicts themselves? or struggle simiarly?

psychcentral.com/quizzes/borderline-test/

Your drug use is not a flaw, it's a valid response to a shitty set of circumstances.

I actually agree with you on this. But what is in a name? Feminism is a movement, not a end goal.

Would you join a movement called “kill the whites” for racial equality?

That’s what you are suggesting here

No and you're definitely right. But if you would accept a renamed movement, if the fundamentals are still the same, doesn't that validate the original movement and kinda negate the need for change?

No, I already believe in treating everyone equally and (((movements))) are usually for people in power to use the common people in order to gain political power

So kinda like redpilling?

>my argument holds merit.
What's exactly your argument?
>True feminism, is for equality and equity of the sexes
that one?
if yes, then define "equity"

My fucking sides. Nothing wrong with my circumstances. It's a good life. I'll die young but so what. What can I say? I just fucking love drugs. And, no, I personally wouldn't fuck a drug addict these days unless I was seriously hammered, and I can tell who is one pretty easily, though I ain't gonna lie I did fuck quite a few druggies in my younger days. Coke makes you last longer in bed anyway. Anyway finished my coke a while ago, just done 90 mils of codeine, and now I'm drinking benylin. Not very glamorous, I know. Nearly ready for bed. Will wake up in time for either a good night out, depending on what's happening, or another long night's shitposting. I'm fine with either. It's all good.

more power to you. but remember help is there if you need it.

my argument is that feminism isn't the cause of the pain that redpill stems from, it's more
personality-based identities due to the growing concentration of wealth. donald trump being the logical extreme

I'm going to sleep now, (1am) but I'll be back

kek fuck I'm fucked I'm going to bed haaha. I love how you tried to fix me though.You'd have let me fuck you if we were in the same room right now. Fuckincrracks me up. Matbe you'll understand one day what feminism has done for guys like me. I doubt it but honestly I can't thank you spastics enough. You've made all the nice guys you should be fucking all be too scared to talk to women but not me. It's just more vag for guys like me in the end. And feminsts get what out of this? Certainly not sex cos I wouldn't put my dick in a feminist's mouth if you fucking paid me haha and I'm a fucking mess. You done fucked up everything. You coulda sat around leeching of men forever. Soon you mongs will be doing al the heavy lifting and fighting all the wars the way things are going. I fucking love it.

>pain that redpill stems from
redpill do not stems from no pain. redpill stems from cognitive dissonance from MSM worldview. High IQ individuals tend to notice the pattern mismatch and discover new explanations that are a better match for reality. The packaging of those explanations and supporting facts is a redpill.
What did u think a redpill was?

OP it looks like youre genuine, which is why I'm disappointed I have to go to work in 5 minutes, so it looks like youre going to avoid a textbook-sized series of angry rant posts directed at you and your foolishness. But here are only a tiny fraction of points you might want to consider:

"equality" is a false god. I'm willing to bet you dont know what "equality" truly means, and you wouldn't want it if you did. Men and women are both human beings, but are totally different creatures. We are not equal. There is a fundamental difference in the "power balance" so to speak, where one could say that man is dominant over women.

But the thing is, this marxist analysis of power balances is bunk. It seems to me there isnt a proper word in the english language that describes the natural order between men and women. We are like a yin / yang, both complimentary and necessary for one another. If you seek to erase the differences between men and women, you seek to destroy your own femininity, which is self-defeating as a "feminist" movement.

Feminism as it exists today (and forever, for that matter) is horrible garbage. Femininity is desirable, but Masculinity is equally desirable as its counterpart. Just look at what sort of philosophy "feminism" has produced since you stupid whores were let off your leash in the past 70 years. You aborted millions and millions of your own babies. You give up your bodies willingly and have no sanctity or dignity. Your misplaced maternal instincts cause you to vote socialists into office and let millions of third world barbarians invade your countries. You come up with the most vapid and brainless political movements ive EVER seen in my life with this women's march bullshit, and "love trumps hate" menainglessness.

Now I have to go, but my closing words are that "equality" and "liberation" are false gods, and the only way you will truly be free is to be free from sin by living a true Christian life, which includes no longer being a whore.