Is Kazuma a good MC?
Is Kazuma a good MC?
has there ever been a bad character named Kazuma? Every one I can think of is high tier at least.
yeah he's bretty good
yeah, everything about konosuba is good except the useless spoiled brat of a goddess
Yea the teacher guy from the show about the fat fujo who starves herself pretty.
I'd still rather Konosuba be a straight fantasy than another isekai, but Kazuma is much better than other self-insert isekai MC's (which is honestly quite a low bar)
Why are you baiting a waifu war when literally every single Konosuba thread is already "muh waifu vs your waifu"
i'm not baiting a waifu war, I'm saying aqua was a shit character who's only hook was being needy and irritating.
or is having an opinion you disagree with bait?
Yes. Simply by virtue of being a prick at times.
>Is Kazuma a good MC?
Yes. He, along with the rest of the cast have a Seinfeld kind of appeal. They're all likable jackasses, so when bad things happen to them you laugh, but when good things happen you feel good for them.
Aqua is fun character and I like her. Respect other opinion Sup Forumsnon
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Aqua's and Kazuma's friendship is a treasure and is what holds Konosuba together, you can fuck right off.
she'll always be in the friend zone
yeah, so?
This, greatest relationship ever.
'pet' ... Petzone is the word you are looking for. For Aqua she sees Kazuma as her annoying little shit of a younger brother.
you got that backwards m8, pets are dependent on their owners just as aqua is dependent on kazuma
That's the point, to Kazuma she is a pet. Aqua however in her little goddess mind sees herself as looking after her whole party like a nanny or something.
>everything about konosuba is good except the only character that stops it from being a generic LN
ah, your post was worded funny, myb.
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He’s enjoyable when he’s dealing with constant misfortune and his dipshit companions.
His character suffers when the party members deeply fall in love with him and he gets a complementary imouto-character. Everything starts going too well for him and the party dynamic gets fucked up.
If the author absolutely has to have a harem he should make it less overt and get rid of Iris entirely
tell me more about this imouto character
Best characters in order
Vanir > Megumin > Kuzuma > Chris > > > Young succubus > Yun Yun > > Darkness > > >a roll of toilet paper > Aqua
she took number 2 in the worst girl poll
It's true, she says as much later in the books when questioned about it in book 10.
'I'm something like a manager or guardian for those three over there alright?'
When Kazuma discussed how great little sisters are, Aqua said she wanted to know what it was like and for Kazuma to find the rare gender change item.
>it's just a thinly veiled aqua bully thread
Honestly you guys make being an Aquafag suffering
I don't like Aqua's character but she makes the show. It wouldn't be the same without her.
Harem route is very dead at this point in the LNs. Things going too well for him is probably accurate.
>only one to bring down the Destroyer's magic defense
>resurrection magic
>useless
yes by virtue of being entertaining
Aqua is fantastic for everything except being a waifu. Unfortunately, that one part is what matters most to a lot of people.
He's a faggot.
Konosuba wouldn't be even half as good as it is without Aqua
Yes.
aqua is worst girl but she's also an important member of the cast. Her and Kazuma are the only two the show wouldn't work without, that's not to say megumin and darkness don't improve the show, though.
Does he even manage to meet the Evil Lord in the LN´s? I´d like to know some major plotpoints but don´t care enough to read it.
You forgot about the big muscled mohawk guy I'd bet money that he's the Demon King in disguise
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ONI CHAAAAAAAAN
I never realized how much vore is in that show until now.
Aqua is like Asuka
a bitch, but the bitch we need
The world needs more ass blush
That's kind of the enjoyable part. Their lack of romantic interest in one another keeps their friendship genuine. They get along as well as they do because of how well their shitty personalities and goals align.
Agreed, Aqua easily has the most well rounded personality of all the konosubas. Her antics and particularly her interactions with Kazuma are what make the show worth watching
No, because the point of his character is to be a generic MC, otherwise some of the jokes would not work.
>aqua is dependent on kazuma
didn't in the end of the WN he returned to his world with Eris?
Artist fucked up. She's flatter than that.
Does this meme exist outside english speaking fanbase?
Remember when she begged the head of her church for money, then didn't get any money?
I don't even think she's all that well-rounded, her whole thing is that she's dumb, arrogant, and impulsive but occasionally incredibly useful. She's absolutely key to the show being as funny as it is though because of her dynamic with Kazuma.
He WAS a good MC
Things change.
That's wrong though. She's his best friend. Someone he can banter and punch, but at the same time celebrate and harrass others with. Like even though Megumin is winning the romantic race, Aqua is probably more important to him.
>Why are you baiting a waifu war when literally every single Konosuba thread is already "muh waifu vs your waifu"
really sucks huh? a good show with a good plot reduced to basically Asuka vs Rei Electric Boogaloo
I don't have time to fight off you anti-Axis heathens in two threads at once but Kazuma is a great character. Good on paper, then like most Konosubas, made into pure unadulterated gold by his VA, who should win a Nobel Prize.
He actually feels more comfortable/likes Eris/Chris more then Aqua.
Eris/Chris is more of idolization. Aqua is more like family. He doesn't think of getting Eris presents or going out having fun with, but he tends to do so with Aqua. It's a much stronger bond.
If everyone he knew in Australia was about to die and he could only save one person, it would be Aqua. He would regret it and never stop bitching about it but guess what fuckers it's bros before ho's and she is his OG bro.
Being KazumaKazuma is suffering, but I revel in his misery. There is actually reasonable discussion in here....is this the fabled "good" Konosuba thread?
Anyone have the archive link to the super comfy Aqua thread?
That's a tough call at this point. Only time he though Megumin was in danger (thought someone was trying to sell her narcotics) he went full murder boner. He probably assumes Aqua would just get back to heaven if she got killed off anyhow.
Read the later Vols from the LN dude, Kazuma literally said he despise Aqua, even if she isn't doing something wrong. really sucks I know but this is what the author wrote...
btw As an Axisposter I personally think shipping (or even befriend) Aqua and Kazuma is more stupid and pointless than discuss with megutards. then again you're free to do or think what ever you want.
But Iris isn't just any imouto. She is a princess and is kinda betrothed to Kazuma.
Could be worse, you could be a darkness fag. For the most part she isn't even notable enough to focus insults on.
He did indeed do that but he went much. much further multiple times when he thought Darkness was in danger (though she was in bad situations way more often). He tries to sacve Aqua every time but let's face it, she is the most powerful and he knows that he can leave her hanging quite a lot before it really would matter. I hate to point this out but she is also the most "adult" (by Konosuba standards) next to himself. She is after all a literal god and although it's never made clear, I doubt she can even be killed. Nevertheless, he risks his ass to save her all the time. Even just to save her from being traumatized. The times it seems like he isn't doing so, he's fucking with her or pissed off. He can leave her ass in a dungeon and knows she will eventually make it out and can lay waste to the whole place if needed. Megumin can just get broken in half and is also a child, in effect. Darkness needs protected from herself and also has the most bad shit happen to her. Kazuma doesn't need to babysit Aqua because she is a partner with a tried and true bond. They are like Army combat teammates and a married couple at the same time. The other girls are different.
I sure wish there was more interaction between the girls shown. Either in the Explosions books or better yet, a goddamn Aqua pov book. Just imagine what goes on in her idiot brain, a true glimpse into terror.
Are there any instances of the girls fighting amongst themselves in any significant way? They unite against Kazuma pretty much every time that comes up but they seem to tolerate the other's flaws exceedingly well.
Kazuma says a lot of things. Then doesn't actually back them up. He is a tsundere, plain and simple. I will definitely do whatever I want though because no matter what, I will definitely regret it so I will just do whatever feels good right now. I will also blame you and this board for my problems as I chase after questionable girls with animal ears.
No, Aqua is good, her suffering sustains me
>Wiz
Least votes
There is no way he would ever survive childbirth.
Eh, he realizes in volume 12 that he is in love with megumin
Wiz deserves happiness. It's a shame she gets bullied so much.
No, Aqua is a better MC than he is, Kazuma doesn't even have party tricks, and seem shy around crowds whereas Aqua is outgoing and can hold a show. I'd like to see them drop some phat beats or throw a party in the guild or something along those lines to see which would MC better, but as of the main cast the best MCs would have to be Aqua, then darkness, then Megumin (who doesn't seem to have a problem with crowds) then finally Kazuma.
>Thinking that because megumin is getting closer and he turned down darkness implies that the race is ogre
kek oh poor user, wait till the next volume where kazuma does some stupid ass-shit with Iris or Aqua and reverts the status quo after megumin breaks up with him over it because she thinks it'd help their relationship or some REALLY stupid shit.
Wiz is absolutely adorable, who could possibly hate her?
The big question for me is this, does Megumin qualify as a loli or not, cause I'm not sure whether I should feel uncomfortable and ashamed.
Damn user, you got me. Didn't get it at first.
I think any reasonable person would choose to save Aqua in that situation too, because she could revive everyone else.
konosuba is shit without aqua.
Yes. A Asshole who doesn't really see any reason to actually give a shit about anyone else unless it's for his well being so he can fulfill his own prophecy. Yet suffers through the trails and tribulation of his idiotic party and gives even less a shit and just wants to live the good life.
>Read the later Vols from the LN dude, Kazuma literally said he despise Aqua
You are really embellishing this.
If it's dead, then Aqua just needs to revive it.
It's hard to keep track of how long it's been since her birthday, but she should be 15 soonish in the (most recent) LN.
She was also originally 17 in the WN. Some aspects of her character redesign make her more memorable, but I don't see what purpose making her younger had other than loli fanservice.
Wiz isn't my favorite character, but if I were to be isekai'd to fantasy Australia, I would probably romance her. Wiz (followed closely by Yunyun) easily has the most endearing personality and backstory.
>romance discussion in konosuba
Isn't this, like, essentially a comedy show? Or was that just the anime? Even meager romance requires at least some kind of emblance of seriousness or drama.
That sounds great, what's it called?
The romance that develops is distinctly tongue in cheek and cute for the most part, with lots of laughs. it takes a good while building up a more serious foundation for what it does indeed need to be serious...and then frames that seriousness in humor.
I want to be YunYun's best (only) friend! We can hang out, play games, practice magic, and all kinds of fun things!
And then afterwards she can watch me fuck Megumin!
Did you not watch it?
Yunyun doesn't deserve such harsh treatment.
So long as I live, even if the entire world should turn against her, I will always be there for her.
I did, that's why it comes off as weird when people talk about pairings. If the LN and WN are anything like the show I'd naturally pass off any romance as just part of the gag comedy. Even the anime has scenes that would fuel shipping in any other show, like sleeping with Aqua in barn, the fight with Darkness, or bath with Megumi, etc, but the context and theming of the show itself makes it unserious.
I would be her friend!
Watashi ga Motete Dousunda
I want to be YunYun's first friend!
Here's a hint, only the bath with Megumin has long term consequences and foreshadowing . More so in the books though... They cut some pretty important bits for that.
KAZUMA KAZUMA!
>ywn wake up from death to Megumin straddling you
How much longer before they start cuddling in the winter to stay warm?
Namely -
“... I underestimated Kazuma. Don’t worry, I will never fall for you. And that’s not
how you use the phrase ‘do the right thing at the right time’.
And this detail-
“But that means she is just thirteen years old. My strike zone is two years
younger than me, so thirteen is out. If she is fourteen, that would make us
middle two and high one, which is borderline acceptable for me.”
I muttered casually.
“Middle two and high one?... I am not sure what you mean, but I will be fourteen
next month. You won’t treat me like a kid after that?”
Megumin who was relaxing in the bath said with her eyes closed…
“... Huh, are you serious? Your birthday is next month? Eh, fourteen? you're
graduating from being a loli character?”
“Who is a loli character! I don’t recall making such a character! And… what’s
with you? Why are you acting strange all of a sudden…”
Someone I thought of as an incapable young sister was gradually morphing in
my mind into an incapable school junior...
“We, well, I suddenly think this situation is a bit embarrassing.”
“Hey, don’t say that all of a sudden, that will make me feel embarrassed too!
What’s wrong with you? Is just one year older that much of a difference? And
can you stop stealing glances at me so shyly!?”
Why? It’s so strange, and my heart started racing.
At this moment, I realized I was in an incredible situation.
“... Nah, why am I bathing together with Megumin? Thinking carefully, isn’t this
situation bad?”
I think people give Kazuma too much shit, honestly.
I mean, dude fucking died, got sent to another world where there's weird shit going on all over, and gets stuck with 3 fucking retards.
You tell me if any regular person can deal with this shit.
Anyone else would have killed themselves and reincarnate.
>She was also originally 17 in the WN. Some aspects of her character redesign make her more memorable, but I don't see what purpose making her younger had other than loli fanservice
To maintain the age gap between her an Kazuma, who was 20 in the WN. The same happened to Darkness, who was also aged down to match Kazuma.
Aging kusoNEET protagonists down from 20-30 year olds to high school dropouts is standard procedure because the publishers want to maximize their relation to the target demographic. Though it really makes some things awkward in Konosuba because some things were written with their original ages taken into account. Like how Kazuma suddenly thought it was okay to fuck Megumin after finding out her birthday was soon. In the WN this was because she was about to become 18.
The tailor that's always at the Succubus shop?
The only reason he'd save aqua is because he's not completely retarded and knows she's got the power to revive the rest.
That ain't love, that's remembering your car keys.