Fact: Kefla is the second fighter in Super to defeat SSGSSKK outright (the first being Jiren).
Fact: Jiren, Goku, and Kefla are far above anyone else in the tournament currently. None of them could hold a candle to SSGSSKK, let alone UI Goku. Kefla will at least make it a fight with the latter.
Fact: Universe 2 will be erased in episode 118. This, along with the U2 Dragon Warrior character making an appearance in 115, have severely kneecapped the U6 erasure theories and subsequently the ever-evolving "Caulifla/Kefla elimination" theory.
Fact: Her power as a fusion is exactly where you would expect it to be in Dragon Ball's power structure. Given the level the 2 saiyans previously attained (on par with Super-level SS transformations), the level of compatibility between them, and how overpowered the potara fusion is, one would expect it to be stronger than just about anything we've seen. Anyone calling this an asspull is also calling the majority of Z-era powerups asspulls as well.
No, your headcanon does not disprove any of this. Vegeta may be hiding some secret power but as of yet we have not seen clear evidence of such. No, Gohan is not going to become relevant again outside of one big fan service moment. And yes, U6 will be getting resurrected after the tournament and there will be a future arc(s) centered around Caulifla. I suggest making peace with that now.
John Green
It sounds like you're on some kind of crusade or something about cartoons, but can you please spoil your spoilers.
Ryder Barnes
Gohan's a fag and so are his fans
William Smith
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Lincoln Jenkins
I don't get why people bitch about Kefla when she's a fusion of that form Kale used to easily beat SSB Goku.
Also, wasn't potara supposed to be an extremely powerful version of fusion? Knowing that, I don't get why people keep making youtube videos about their childhood being ruined.
Tyler Richardson
Could someone please post the power rankings chart? Can't find it.
Let's begin with some basic numbers. >Base Goku = 1.00 >Base Caulifla = 1.00 >Base Kale = 1.00
Now, let's see Goku's Super Saiyan multipliers: >SS1 Goku = x50 base >SS2 Goku = x100 base >SS3 Goku = x400 base >SSG Goku > SS3 Goku >therefore, SSG Goku = x400 base minimum
Now, let's examine the Potara fusion rules: >Potara Fusion was stated to be "more than the sum of their parts" and "tens of times stronger" >to account for the "more than the sum of their parts" let's assume the maximum value of "tens of times" and give them 100x >Potara fusion = 100x, assuming maximum gains
Now, let's plug in some numbers and compare. >Caulifla + Kale = 2.00 >2.00 x100 = 200.00 >Base Kefla, without transformations, should have a numeric value of around 200.00 >Compare this to SSG Goku being a bare minimum numeric value of 400.00, realistically it's probably at least 600.00 or 800.00 but let's lowball Goku for the sake of having an example >Base Kefla somehow completely outclasses SSG Goku despite Goku having a minimum double power advantage on her
The only way for this to make sense is to account for Goku's exhaustion.
Therefore, >if SSG Goku = 400.00 >but Base Kefla = 200.00 >and if SSG Goku is losing as badly as he was, >then it can be inferred that Goku was fighting at either 33% of his full power or 25%.
In other words, >Goku was fighting Caulifla, Kefla, and Kale at a quarter or a third of his maximum strength, due to exhaustion. >SSG Goku x 0.25 (quarter exhaustion) = 100.00 minimum >SSG Goku x 0.35 (one-third exhaustion) = 132.00 minimum >Base Kefla = 200.00 maximum
This is the only way that a base, untransformed Kefla could've beaten Goku.
However, this goes back full circle to Goku's base form and changes the equation. Since Goku couldn't use 100% of his power against Caulifla/Kale he was fighting this entire time with about 66% or 75% of his power unavailable.
This means that Goku's true base is 1.66 or 1.75 compared to Caulifla and Kale's 1.00.
Landon Diaz
I think it's foreshadowing for when the potaras give out. Pic related looks like it requires a good deal of energy.
Noah Mitchell
nice brain artillery
Zachary Thompson
It was fucking base form, meaning Kale would've had to untransform for it to work.
Joshua Walker
Goku shouldn't have even needed UI to dodge them
Mason Barnes
Replace Kale/Caulifla/Kafla with El Americano's Favorito Gohan Blanco and you have a happy Sup Forums getting exactly what they wished for.
Aiden Green
Holy fuck that is a cool attack. Why do people hate Kefla again?
Liam Howard
Nah if someone tosses a ki blast at you in a standoff I'm pretty sure you're required to tank it head on.
Cameron Nelson
The point to small ki blasts is that they move so fast that you can't dodge it.
James Garcia
someone had an ugly candy-cane-like attack similar to this a few episodes ago Who was it?
Ethan Davis
>Kefla is the second fighter in Super to defeat SSGSSKK Damn right Not even merged Zamasu did that
Michael Phillips
Goku can move at *teleports behind you* speeds without even using instant transmission, how the fuck could he not have moved 10 feet to the right to dodge.
Jackson Moore
>enter headcanon He was near death from the surprise kick to his neck and spine. So his body went on autopilot because he's the chosen one to kill god and the god ki won't let him die
Kevin Richardson
Any caulifags here? I want to kick your asses.
Connor Ramirez
Speed=/=Reflexes, and from Goku's previous fights in this tournament has proven is that he isn't so good on quick reactions.
David Johnson
Hey Gohanfriend, good news for you.
read this autist Turns out that Ultimate Gohan probably could kick Kefla's ass.
Julian Parker
*teleports into your heart* psssh, nothin personnel dbs
how can we not love the team leader and captain of universe 7, the appointed /ourguy/, gohan?
Jaxson Howard
>gohanfags using Buu arc Gohan Are you guys ashamed of the Gohan's receding hairline?
Nicholas Jenkins
You tell them, fellow CHADforce member. We don't put up with jobbing Mary Sues like Craplishit.
Zachary Johnson
Reminder to all anons. Report any avatarfags who use Caulifla, Kefla, Gohan or any other character to shitpost/bait/troll. This is considered avatarfagging and is bannable. Enough reports will get mods to notice. This is the first steps to cleanse these threads and stop having these trolls give us a bad name.
Landon Nguyen
>Kefla >Winning Anything Check pic for real winner
Adam Baker
>Teleports behind you >Nani!? They fused two memes into one well done
Asher Perez
Who's role as captain became irrelevant 5 episodes into the ToP
Noah Perez
of course we like super Gohan too.
Logan Watson
le gohan blanco xDD
Wyatt Scott
>announcing reports You will suffer the same destiny as them retard
Levi Ramirez
Because he's not doing shit, and what matters is Goku mastering his brand new form?
Ryan Garcia
This.
Daniel Collins
>People bitch about Kefla >Trunks pulls God Ki out of his ass and no one gives a fuck
Jason Russell
>H-HE'LL DO SOMETHING SOON, I SWEAR Gohanfags for the past 30 years
Austin Thompson
>when fags respond to this and don't realize 100x and 400x multipliers were confirmed
Sebastian Jackson
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Asher Martin
>Anyone calling this an asspull is also calling the majority of Z-era powerups asspulls as well.
Well yeah since the begining of Z (and arguably beore it) DB is an asspull after an asspull
Jordan Bennett
Counting the days till we get pic related pan and I can be done with GT pan forever
Zachary Green
Are you kidding? Plenty of people have thrown shitfits over it. The only problem is dumb fucks on Sup Forums eating that bullshit up because "muh trunks deserves to to be god-tier"
Asher Mitchell
I'm guessing he'll have to go super ultra instinct to beat Jiren
William Johnson
>Gets mystic >It's Gohan time!! >Jobs Left the Gohan fandom and never looked back after that
Parker Nelson
I'm glad he's not doing shit Ultimate Gohan is fuckinh boring
>ywn see Great Saiyaman vs Pride Troopers or Katopesla
Christian Wood
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Easton Perry
>Goku has a new transformation that he's having a hard time controlling >he's using it to fight a fused Legendary Super Saiyan >Jiren will wake up >Vegeta is fighting Toppo >the Androids might finally kick that fatass Ribrianne out >Potaras are allowed now, so we might unironicalle get Ultra Instinct Vegito >"G-GUYS PLS LOOK AT GOHAN, HE MIGHT STOP JOBBING TO THIS NAMELESS FODDER OVER THE NEXT 2 MONTHS"
Justin Phillips
I wanted Gohan to fight Toppo but DBS seems to be desperate to avoid any interesting fight.
Gohan and Toppo are team captains, both are heroes, but Gohan wants to save the universe and protect everyone while Toppo abandoned justice in the name of survival.
Vegeta vs Toppo is alright too but eh
Ethan Adams
Let's debunk this. Base Kale is clearly weaker than base Goku or base Caulifla, we've seen that she is fairly weak and didn't stand a chance whatsoever against Napapa and Zoidberg actually she barely seems like a fighter in her base at all.
The potara fusion rules can apparently be read as more than a hundred, which would make sense for example if we look back at Vegito who was more than 400x stronger than Goku. (stronger than ss3)
Then it's stated that the fusion is more than the sum of their parts which you also failed to account here.
The exhaustion mostly plays a part in how long Goku can use his full power aka SSBKKx20 and if you insist otherwise then show me proof from someone stating that.
It was already established how massive of a inrease Kale's berserker form is. She is far stronger than even Caulifla's SS2 with it and was so out of control that Jiren felt the need to intervene meaning that you really downplayed her here. The fact that Kefla uses the same transformation even when her base form was already beating SSG Goku should tell you that Goku really had to go all out and she still managed to blitz him.
So don't be too suprised when she puts up just as much of a fight against UI Goku than Hit did against Jiren.
Camden Diaz
As shitty as her personality was, I actually like Pan's GT design. It was the best outfit out of everyone except Goku's/Uub's gi.
Chase Mitchell
Post the chart for Christ's sake
Ethan Morgan
but before that, the first one was Hit and second one was Jiren
Eli Reed
>goku getting outsmarted by a couple of girls with an obvious fake >shown to be of equal power with her and still going down in one hit
This whole thing is stupid. Goku gets stronger by getting his ass kicked and then he jobs to a couple of amateur fighters. At least this shit will be over next episode.
Angel Gomez
Potara Fusion is way stronger than that, at least x800 based on how hard Vegito destroyed Super Buu
Connor Wright
that's how you spot a gokufag aka pedro
Julian Wilson
>tfw no Goku Black in the tournament >Anyone calling this an asspull is also calling the majority of Z-era powerups asspulls as well. But that's not even wrong though.
Jack Rodriguez
I think Goku will not learn to control Ultra Instinct "Omen" as he is now. He will gain another form that will probably be weaker than the Omen form, but with similar effects of being able to have self-movement.
Gabriel Hughes
Only 5 more days for LSS3 !!!!
Gabriel Adams
Gokufags are the only reasonable people in the fanbase, anyone else is delusional and unironically think that just because Gohan killed Cell decades ago, that they too can get spotlight.
Dylan Phillips
>Base Kale is clearly weaker than base Goku or base Caulifla I agree, but if I plug this into the equation Kefla becomes even weaker.
Rework it yourself with the value of 1.00 for Caulifla and 0.50 for Kale. You aren't helping your cause.
>The potara fusion rules can apparently be read as more than a hundred False. Tens of tens is ten tens which is x100. If it was over x100 Vados would've stated hundreds of hundreds, or hundreds of times stronger, but she did not.
>Then it's stated that the fusion is more than the sum of their parts which you also failed to account here. Did you even read my comment? I accounted for it by giving Kefla the maximum potara value. Taking Vados literally would've only given her an increase of x20 or x30, but I gave her x100 — the max — to account for it being "more than the sum of their parts."
You stating that I didn't account for what I explicitly accounted for proves that you didn't even bother reading it in the first place.
>The exhaustion mostly plays a part in how long Goku can use his full power aka SSBKKx20 Nice headcanon.
>and if you insist otherwise then show me proof from someone stating that. He says while asserting something with no proof.
>It was already established how massive of a inrease Kale's berserker form is Again, this proves that you did not even read my comment. Nowhere did I mentioned anything related to Kefla's transformation. My analysis specifically only covered base Kefla vs SSG Goku. Base Kefla. Meaning, no transformation. Meaning, no Super Saiyan. Meaning, no Legendary.
Please learn to read.
Joshua Jackson
GUIZE HOLY SHIT I FIGURED OUT FREIZA'S KEIKAKU. [spoilerDuring one of the high intensity battles with fucktons of ki blasts flying everywhere several almost strike Zenos enclosure distracting the guards. One actually hits it and before they mend the hole Freiza sneaks in and slips a Potara on one of the Zenos and delets or befriendsthe other one. It's fucking perfect. Murderously childish psychopath Freiza fucking WHEN?
Asher Rogers
Nah, pedros are cancer.
Sebastian Allen
The full controlled form is the one with the red aura.
Angel Lee
Aaaaand I forgot the ] retard
David Bennett
Vegetto immediately went Super Vegetto when he fought against Buu in the manga.
Only in the anime did they add those filler scenes where Vegetto thrashed Buu in base form.
Kevin Garcia
What did he mean by this?
Dominic Brooks
>turns out Kefla won't defuse until the end of ToP >b-b-but V-v-vegitto a-always did in 10 minutes or less!! >Caulifla and Kale are actually compatible, they get full time regardless.
Luke Wright
Yeah user, we all watched that Tien video.
Caleb Wright
Goku didn't deserve that kick desu
Aaron Smith
Another feint by Caulifla's half.
Aaron White
Let's be honest. Who didn't see her counter attack coming? It was so obvious
Blake Ross
Only because Kale is a submissive slut.
Ryder Lopez
Soon
Benjamin Jackson
>But that's not even wrong though It may or may not be depending on your specific definition of asspull. The point is that Z nostalgia fags have no right to shit on these sorts of powerups.
Juan Morgan
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Chase Cook
>None of them could hold a candle to SSGSSKK, Did you forgot Frieza? he literally shrugged off god of destruction energy, he can tangle with ssgsskk
Dylan Anderson
You are starting to fall off Drawfag
Lucas Russell
Mathfag here, I'm going to bed now.
I look forward to laughing at your comments tomorrow morning. Just remember, at bare minimum Goku is approximately 66% stronger than Caulifla and Kale, likely 150% stronger for a more realistic approach.
However, I would like to ask you fags this question: how strong do you think SSG realistically is compared to SS3? If SS3 = x400 base, what is a realistic number to assign SSG with everything that we currently know? I'm curious to here your takes. How strong is SSG, really? It's at least x400 of Goku's base. That's all we know for certain.
Kayden Gonzalez
Me the fact that they would treat Blue kaioken like that still bothers me Another jobber form to the list i guess
Blake Hernandez
>Those damn transformations Whoever makes these is comical genius
Landon Lee
DB Super is shit
Isaac Nelson
>turns out Kefla won't defuse until the end of ToP That's okay. She'll watch the rest of the tournament from the stands anyway.
John Harris
>no spots
If that's what it takes to bring him back...
Caleb Long
SS4 Kefla would be hot.
Jordan Hall
dont be a sore loser user, it fits you
Jordan Allen
I disagree with you
Jace Kelly
Back the fuck off?
Noah Watson
Pretty sure that ss4 is gonna be a reality
Liam Sanchez
Imagine having shit taste and liking Super.
Justin Thomas
My cause is to correct you on inconsistencies in your calculation.
>False. Tens of tens is ten tens which is x100. If it was over x100 Vados would've stated hundreds of hundreds, or hundreds of times stronger, but she did not. Go on herms twitter and look for it.
>Did you even read my comment? I accounted for it by giving Kefla the maximum potara value. Taking Vados literally would've only given her an increase of x20 or x30, but I gave her x100 — the max — to account for it being "more than the sum of their parts."
I was refering to Caulifla + Kale = 2 instead of a arbitarily chosen higher number since it's not defined. There are clearly differences and compatibility differences between fusions and Caulifla and Kale seem to be very compatible.
>Nice headcanon. So you couldn't find anything to prove your own argument while mine uses the logic of what we've seen and what was stated for example Goku stating that he wouldn't hold back any more.
>He says while asserting something with no proof. See above. I wasn't the one making the claim that Goku can only use 33% of his power so if you don't have any evidence that beeing tired somehow affects his maximum power and not for how long he can use it then you concede your argument.
>Again, this proves that you did not even read my comment. Nowhere did I mentioned anything related to Kefla's transformation. My analysis specifically only covered base Kefla vs SSG Goku. Base Kefla. Meaning, no transformation. Meaning, no Super Saiyan. Meaning, no Legendary.
You stated he didn't use his full power the entire fight which would include the fight they had as SSBKK vs Keflas SS. If you were just refering to SSG vs base in that statement then my apologies but that's not making your calculation true either way since it still uses a false premise.
Thomas Long
Super is better than Z
Isaac Rogers
???? What did Pedro mean by this?
Blake Martinez
>She'll watch the rest of the tournament from the stands until her universe is erased in two episodes
Joseph Bailey
Could be worse you could unironically like boruto
Parker Nelson
what it says
Connor Reed
I'LL FUCKING SNAP YOUR NECK
Carter Richardson
Imagine unironically deluding yourself into thinking this.
Ayden Robinson
ToP Freeza > Namek freeza
Angel Russell
I want to marry Kefla.
Eli Moore
You heard me Z baby. What are you going to do about it?