It can't be completely undone by natural processes, because how things decay has changed. Hundreds of millions of years ago, trees would take carbon out of the atmosphere, die, and be buried, leaving behind purified forms of carbon which are the coal deposits that exist today. Modern ecosystems are much more sophisticated, and when a tree dies it is decomposed by a myriad of life forms before it can be buried. Only a small amount of carbon gets trapped in the soil.
So it's more urgent than people realise to stop global warming, because when carbon is taken from underground and put into the atmosphere it stays there forever: The natural process to put large amounts of carbon back underground no longer occurs.
I like warm weather. I wish we had global warming but unfortunately we have been cooling for years and will enter a maunder minimum by 2030. This winter has been terrible both in usa and eu, and it will get much colder
the number 1 co2 regulator is the ocean. co2 is good for the environment. plants grow better, if it's too low all life will die, but it can't be too high unless it starts displacing oxygen which would probably take burning more than all the carbon on earth at once.
James Jenkins
>That's a boi Confirmed. I'm so glad he forgot to tuck. I thought I was never going to find that answer.
>It can't be completely undone by natural processes, because the laws of physics have changed
Prove it.
Who buried all the trees to make them turn into coal? Why do these magical tree-burying faeries not exist any more? Did the dinosaurs eat them? If so, why doesn't fossilized dino poop contain their remains?
James Adams
It's ok when we reach the year 2050 (and you know society will be SUPER ADVANCED AND AWESOME by then because 2050 is such a big number!) We'll just build magical machines that bury trillions of tons of this diffuse atmospheric gas under the ground as a solid or whatever, or maybe we could just dump it in piles on the ground or something I don't know. But either way, nothing is impossible so we'll just develop some crazy technological solution to the problem for sure before we die out.
>Who buried all the trees to make them turn into coal? the flood. and it would only take a few hundred years to compress a buried forest into coal or oil.
It's not that the process no longer exists to bury the trees, it's that the process of decay is now far faster than the process of burial thanks to the evolution of new species that are very good at decomposing dead trees.
The government always does things wrong, it's just something that comes naturally with actions having few consequences. If you aren't a high-profile politician, then your actions don't affect your status much and of course you're being given free money so your actions don't have to make sense. As for leaders of any citizen-based political movement, they're chosen for being loud, not for making sense.
What would I give for a bit of actual global warming. It is almost april and it is still fucking freezing out there.
Jace Roberts
This but unironically. Environmentalism has a lot of Traditionalist and Conservatory themes to it. If people unironically think that of the 200000 years we've evolved in to existence, we've had no harmful effect, they're fucking delusional.
We need to stop this Sup Forums, we've figured out how to deflag flags in the middle of nowhere, we can figure out global warming and prevent the influx of the rapefugees and niggers infiltrating our land too.
Please stop falling for the 'Global Warming is a hoax' meme. The debate is not whether the change is real, the debate is whether humans are causing it and for the pas 150 years, our net effect on change has been 50%, since the 1980's to now it has been over 85% and if you put the time scale closer, the change we've caused has been drastic.
We need to go nuclear and start colonizing other planets to find other alternative resources.
Transhuman Environmentalist National Socialism is the final redpill.
Nathan Reed
You can be for solving global warming while being against international corporations and organizations solving it.
Caleb Adams
>no just rob exxon
And what exactly would THAT do?
Jonathan Powell
Prairies with grazing animals are the true carbon sinks. The reason the Midwest has such amazing soil is thousands of years a bison shit and grassroots. Multi species rotational grazing can restore deserts and get carbon back in the soil.
Michael Bennett
2020 is peak oil
James Cruz
there is nothing to solve. humans didn't cause it. humans do not have the technology to change anything. it is completely out of control.
I meant to say, what exactly would robbing Exxon do to climate change, exactly?
>The government always does things wrong, it's just something that comes naturally with actions having few consequences.
I think it's more along the lines of competing secretive forms of subversion/bribery and influence that corporations and other wealthy private individuals have on our representatives.
Tyler Kelly
Boy that girl sure is pretty
Ryder Ward
What does Anzu's dick taste like?
Justin Young
THe main misconception about global warming is the motivation and motivators behind it. The carbon tax idea is being pushed by the oil industry in order to make coal uneconomical for power plants. This is because oil companies own the largest natural gas reserves (the would-be next-best economical option) in the world. Prove me wrong, gaylord.
Wyatt Wilson
Like my cum cause i'd be cumming all over it.
Noah Cook
>2020 is peak oil >2015 is peak oil >2012 is peak oil >2005 is peak oil
Actually, benevolent colonialism is the solution. All developing economies pass through a phase where the pollution per-capita is ludicrous. China is exiting this phase by developing renewable energy on a huge scale, but as African countries enter that phase it's going to be a nightmare; I expect it to happen over the course of this century, and at the same time their populations will be exploding, so if early 21st century China was bad for the environment then mid-late 21st century Africa will be two or three times worse.
It is definitely possible for even the worst-off African countries to experience the same economic growth as Asian countries with no outside help. The "president" of Rwanda, who is technically a dictator since they have rigged elections and facist policies, managed to achieve and maintain GDP growth rates similar to China less than a decade after the country was so chaotic that about 20% of the population was hacked to death by machetes.
Nathaniel Lewis
I hope global warming is real and kills off most of the population. I don't care.
Leo Lopez
>What does Anzu's dick taste like? Rotten beef and cheese.
I forgot to mention why benevolent colonialism is important. It allows the phase of heavy reliance on fossil fuels to be skipped entirely, by making huge investments to get modern infrastructure into place in a country that would otherwise need primitive infrastructure before it can afford modern infrastructure.
Angel Lopez
Everything you said in this post is factually wrong.
Levi Russell
>The debate is not whether the change is real, the debate is whether humans are causing it Actually, the debate is whether or not the west should pump the rest of the world with gibs in a pathetic attempt to get them to modernize, just look at the Tokyo and Paris Accords to get an idea. Ultimately, the modern stance of environmentalism is one of globalism and the leftist delusion that we can all come together to save the planet when in reality the only to stop global warming as we know is to either force China and India at gunpoint to shut down their coal and poo burning plants or for us to dismantle modern society.
Jonathan Ramirez
It's almost as if it's a giant scam to get developed countries to develop developing countries.
Lucas Foster
>the only to stop global warming as we know is to either force China and India at gunpoint to shut down their coal and poo burning plants or for us to dismantle modern society.
Your second statement is included in your first statement.
Because by "Modern society", you mean "Industrial civilization" right?
You'd have to do that all over the world, and fat chance of that happening when industrial civilization is THE dominant force in warfare on this planet.
To give up industrial civilization is to give up your nation to those who didn't.
period.
Zachary James
if china switched to nuclear power their pollution issues would be finished overnight without setting them back industrially.
Jayden Wilson
>if china switched to nuclear power their pollution issues would be finished overnight without setting them back industrially.
I think a fair number of their pollution issues are from things other than burning fossil fuels to generate electricity, actually.
Lincoln Butler
no it's basically shitty outdated coal plants and corruption keeping said plants from enforcing even basic regulations about filtering and proper burning technique to minimize emissions like a western plant would.
Dylan Lewis
I'm talking about individuals burning fossil fuels for warmth, fossil fuels used in 2 stroke engines and other inefficient burning internal combustion engines, industrial waste from chemical plants, litter, etc...
Nuclear power isn't going to solve any of those problems.
Jack Nguyen
Every time I see environmentalist bullshit is always about saving water or whatever but the effect of that is tiny compare to what factories do The only way to fix things is massively reduce industry and that won't happen without major financial collapse and wars
Nathan Reed
There's a good reason why China still uses large amounts fossil fuels. The country didn't develop homogenously, it has a colossal population and had many hard-to-reach areas, which means that although much of China has been modern for many decades many areas have only recently been modernised.
Across the world, areas that are getting electricity for the first time always use fossil fuels, and they can take a while to make the switch to renewable forms. Once the recently-modernised areas of China mature a bit, coal usage will stop increasing.
Jason Bennett
but those aren't whats causing the giant smog clouds choking everyone to death.
Thomas Long
>but those aren't whats causing the giant smog clouds choking everyone to death.
They contribute to it, is what i'm saying.
Take a look at LAs smog problem, is that caused by inefficient coal power plants?
Charles Rivera
Jewish trick
Brandon Smith
commiefornia is deadly afraid of nuclear so they shut it all down and replaced it with coal.
still, cali =/= china.
Tyler Barnes
>cali =/= china As a SoCalfag, I really wonder if this is true or not
Luke Miller
>commiefornia is deadly afraid of nuclear so they shut it all down and replaced it with coal.
commiefornia is deathly afraid of technology, and industry.
