Sometimes getting the math right is a matter of life and death, such as with that pedestrian bridge in Florida, and it directly follows that sacrificing the qualifications of employees for the sake of greater representation among less-qualified-on-average groups necessarily sacrifices safety. Diversity is our strength, meaning political strength to win bids, but diversity doesn't strengthen central beams nor support cables.
No mainstream news media is covering this angle. When I do a search for "munilla construction"+"affirmative action" in either Google News or Bing News, it turns up ZERO results. It isn't news to them. It is racism or sexism or both, so let's just ignore that angle to the story. The only news sources covering it are among the far right, such as American Renaissance. Their editorial standards are poor, so they don't get everything right (I can find no good evidence that the design team was "all female"). Better than nothing.
The collapse of the USA is going to make the collapse of the USSR look like a cakewalk in comparison.
That country is going to rip itself apart and maybe half its population is just going to flat-out die in the first year when the gibz money runs out and the fatties can't get their meds and the captain americas all neck themselves from watching their god-nation die.
Angel Bailey
>no actual evidence anywhere that the bridge was built by affirmative action hires
Camden Young
because project like this involved bidding. Someone saying they can make it cheaper usually allows them to get the project.
he is saying evidence of them getting a project because they were a minority firm. More than likely this company said they could make it cheaper, then cut corners to be able to turn a profit. There is so much corruption that goes on in construction projects because both sides are trying to fuck the other side.
Wyatt Stewart
"Our practice [Munilla Construction] is to have and follow an Affirmative Action Program for carrying out this policy now and in the future. Our goal is to achieve equal opportunity and foster a climate of growth for every employee. Equal opportunity at work is the right, and responsibility, of all of us."
Daniel Martin
many whites have made bridges that collapsed spectacularly
why cant your arguments ever be fact based instead of vomiting negative emotions?
The firm had an affirmative action as explicit policy, and that means having less qualified fucksticks in positions where more qualified fucksticks would be less likely to fuck things up. They should have favored the best candidates in their hiring process, and that doesn't mean choosing based on chromosomes or geographic ancestry, not even in part.
Bentley Nelson
>white causes bridge collapse >geez what a dumbass >spic causes bridge collapse >OMG BUILD WALL WHAT THE FUCK FUCKING DIVERSITY
it will be something akin to the yugo wars combined with the chinese dynastic collapses
Blake Wood
Snopes gets some things right, other things wrong. They are right that it wasn't an all-female design. They are apparently wrong that Leonor Flores (Latino woman) was not the project manager. The FIU article that revealed it (and changed their story) would make no sense if she wasn't.
Colton Nguyen
An engineer is probably losing his shit right now praying that the construction company deviated from his proposal.
Michael Sullivan
This was like a scene out of Idiocracy.
Jack Baker
>someone tells boomers that the construction company was entirely staffed by female engineers with image made in mspaint >boomers run with this idea without actually doing any research on MCM >30 seconds on google would prove the female engineers story completely false >boomers continue to push the story and make excuses because admitting that you fell for some user's image is embarrassing >boomers endlessly push the story in twitter If you fell for the "ALL FEMALE ENGINEERS" story then you're either a boomer or a massive fucking retard.
The captain americas will be out with rifles and battle rattle securing the streets from chimpouts.
Daniel Scott
this one is a bit cringy
Jayden Hill
what the hell is going on here?
Leo Garcia
Shit's fucked, the token somalionian copper in the loon state offed a white girl, turned himself in recently.
Dumb faggot should never have had access to a live weapon.
Isaac Gonzalez
cultural enrichment
Jackson Gutierrez
>many whites have made bridges
Ftfy. The issue is that a bridge made by a diversity-hire firm is more likely to collapse than one built by a merit-hire firm
Ian Bell
t. leonor flores
Camden Sanders
This collapsed bridge means that there will be more women and minorities in prison therefore this happening is racist and chauvinist. By this simple logic employees of this company are victims and you can't punish victims.
Ian Gonzalez
>not familiar with bidding processes in the US >plz check the following [ ] nigger-owned [ ] disabled vet [ ] women-owned
When competing for public bids, it goes much deeper than the scope of the project.
Hudson Gonzalez
Yeah, I have seen this shit when I was registering as supplier to Praxair. It made me laugh.
Zachary Martinez
.t one of the female engineers
Leo Walker
You'd be surprised but it's actually true. I made my firm woman owned by getting my mother involved. The culture of business changes and I get all the moron big businesses with SJW diversity hires actually negoating with me. I'll do whatever to get more shekels, I don't care. The core of my company is all white.
Ayden Bell
I like how you have to put picture of times when there even werent computers to help engineering.
Nowdays such things happens mostly because someone is cheating by swapping materials tocheaper, or make similar fraud but such mistakes and whats more on a construction this simple are a rarity. Thats why its pathetic.
Guess power of tolerance and positive thinking isnt enough to hold a bridge.
I'm an Engineer but far from female. Women don't go into electrical engineering, this is a man's field and it really does seem to scare off anyone with a vagina. Don't get me wrong, I'm against this idea that women should be pushed into Engineering simply because there isn't many female engineers, but it simply isn't possible for a single entity to fuck up this bad on a project like this. Chances are whatever contractor dealt with the tensioning of the cables within the concrete itself either fucked up and didn't realise or made some terrible calculations. This shit happens, and despite how much credit is given to engineers, we do fuck up a lot.
Elijah Lee
>but it simply isn't possible for a single entity to fuck up this bad on a project like this Right. It takes a DIVERSE team of fuckheads to fuck it up.
Brayden Diaz
The plans look fucked from the beginning. They left zero margin for error.
They probably already shredded all of their computers and plans.
Anthony Foster
That's not a good thing.
Really if it isn't at least 40-60% in terms of the gender gap, there's something wrong.
It is a social expectations thing I think, girls get dolls and that lame shit, guys get the cool engineering toys meanwhile and feminity teaches weakness and submission as virtues.
Camden Carter
>doesn't know what entities means >responds anyway Entities are either other teams of specialists, usually in the form of a secondary contractor who deal with a specific, complex task. No one single company can deal with something as complex as tensioned cables embedded in concrete so they get multiple entities to handle it. Look this shit up before you post, faggot. You faggots really just need to do what you used to do, just pretend that you didn't fall for someone providing unverifiable information. This idea that once you start believing something that you need to desperately grasp the straws when someone actually finds evidence to the contrary just makes faggots like you look pathetic.
Liam Evans
>It is a social expectations thing I think, girls get dolls and that lame shit, guys get the cool engineering toys meanwhile and feminity teaches weakness and submission as virtues.
A gender gap of any sort doesn't mean society is doing anything sexist. The gender gap of who prefers dolls and who prefers trucks exists even among macaques (monkeys), with no prior training. Look it up.
Joshua Miller
Guys and girls brains are literally different. The "social expectations" thing is like telling a guy with a penis that he is a man. To tell him differently is cruel.
Asher Hall
>>doesn't know what entities means >>responds anyway >Entities are either other teams of specialists, usually in the form of a secondary contractor who deal with a specific, complex task. No one single company can deal with something as complex as tensioned cables embedded in concrete so they get multiple entities to handle it. Look this shit up before you post, faggot. >You faggots really just need to do what you used to do, just pretend that you didn't fall for someone providing unverifiable information. This idea that once you start believing something that you need to desperately grasp the straws when someone actually finds evidence to the contrary just makes faggots like you look pathetic. When "multiple entities handle it," then that's great, but those multiple entities are not always going to catch the fuck ups, and if some of those multiple entities are likewise diversity hires then of course it is even worse.
Nathaniel Clark
I had one woman in my engineering course and she dropped out before the end of the first semester, this shit is hard and a lot of pressure is put on engineering students. What drove me was the fat fucking paycheques, but if it wasn't for that, I would've probably dropped out before the second year. Ask any engineer why so few women end up getting their qualifications and the instant answer will be the exact same reasons I gave.
women are more emotional 4 sure but some are able to hang .... take their ovaries and breed them but keep the others. genetic diversity is kind've important
Julian Reed
>When "multiple entities handle it," then that's great, but those multiple entities are not always going to catch the fuck ups, and if some of those multiple entities are likewise diversity hires then of course it is even worse. >i don't have to actually prove anything if I just keep crying "DIVERSITY HIRES" I bet you're another fucking boomer, even the underage fags will at least try to look up some basic terminology rather than continuously make senseless arguments. Again, the simple fact that you had no idea what entities meant in a convocation about engineering, yet tried to use the phrase in an argument as if its definition will suddenly change to suit your needs is by far the most boomerish behaviour I've seen all day.
Nicholas Rodriguez
Thats a road.
Dominic Flores
>I bet you're another fucking boomer, even the underage fags will at least try to look up some basic terminology rather than continuously make senseless arguments. >Again, the simple fact that you had no idea what entities meant in a convocation about engineering, yet tried to use the phrase in an argument as if its definition will suddenly change to suit your needs is by far the most boomerish behaviour I've seen all day. I think you mean "entity" as in organizations or departments with one or more people, and you think that I think it means only one person. Such distinctions are not as important as you seem to think. Underqualification increases the fuck up odds in all cases.
Robert Wright
No one ever said that it was only women that designed/built it. It's a strawman argument to the extreme, and Snopes knows that as well. Misrepresenting your opponent's argument this badly, and doing it deliberately amounts to a lie.
Let me try the same technique: Jews say 12 million of themselves got stuffed into ovens and another 4 million got processed into lampshades, and we know that is not true.
Niggers say everyone of them got whipped daily for hours during slavery, but it's not true.
Parker Bennett
Man having a sexual emergency
Jaxson Nelson
>suddenly starts to mention under-qualification despite having no evidence of under-qualified engineers >still refuses to believe that there's any other reasons why a bridge can collapse other than incompetence or because MUH BOGEYMEN >still trying to dig himself out of the hole he dug when he used a phrase often used for construction projects and engineering works without actually knowing what it meant Just get your boomer ass back to facebook where you belong.
Asher Fisher
Not incompetence then? Maybe it was a random quantum event.
Tyler Moore
The construction company that built the bridge is owned by 5 brothers.
It had to be major fuckups on all levels. Gross incompetence. Even looking at the pictures, you can see they used concrete on the top to act as a sunshade, costing huge money and adding monster weight. Then, the support trusses are at odd angles, weakening the structure there too, then they were adding fake suspension lines, when they needed real suspension lines. Think about how fucked they must be, when this thing couldn't support itself, and was supposed to be good for a Cat. 5 hurricane. I knew more about bridge building from my first Mech E class where we did force diagrams. They could have just used an off the shelf design as well. I want my tax money back from these assholes.
Tyler Edwards
OP never claimed differently you fucking idiot.
Josiah Roberts
He never claimed I claimed differently.
Jack Kelly
>I want my tax money back from these assholes. Then you have to get it yourself. Consider kidnapping an option
Ethan Martin
>the support trusses are at odd angles, weakening the structure there too They line up with the positions of the intended suspension cables, that's why they're at those angles, presumably they have cables inside them too & are an extension of those cables.
Jayden Allen
>makes two responses without actually responding to anyone >replies to himself without making any corrections >still quotes the poster he was arguing with >seems to think he's posting on the facebook profile his grandson set up for him You know the strictest engineering industry is Commercial Aerospace, an industry that has had a long and dark history of accidents that weren't related to incompetence but rather the fact that reality has an infinite number of variables and it's impossible for engineers to account for every single one. Engines have fallen off planes simply because the steel was slightly too soft for extended use, even though it was strong enough to pass testing, that's considered an unexpected default and every engineering project has them. Stop fucking grasping the straws, it's so blatant that you're just getting angry at this point. Get Out Boomer
Caleb Cruz
>presumably they have cables inside them too & are an extension of those cables. No, they were pipes. There was no plan or room for cable anchors.
Luke Thompson
yurop sim 2018 looks good
Christopher Rodriguez
>No, they were pipes. There was no plan or room for cable anchors >bridge actually intended to have two sets of cable stays >continues to comment on engineering topics that he knows nothing about Just stop.
>You know the strictest engineering industry is Commercial Aerospace, an industry that has had a long and dark history of accidents that weren't related to incompetence but rather the fact that reality has an infinite number of variables and it's impossible for engineers to account for every single one. Engines have fallen off planes simply because the steel was slightly too soft for extended use, even though it was strong enough to pass testing, that's considered an unexpected default and every engineering project has them. Stop fucking grasping the straws, it's so blatant that you're just getting angry at this point. So maybe it was something that the most qualified people could not reasonably anticipate, because, I don't know, an element of the construction was new, or something with a one-in-a-million chance of happening did. I respect that. I think of affirmative action policies as like the effect of global warming on hurricanes. In general, you know it increases the odds of disasters, but it is hard to tell from one particular disaster that there was a direct cause-and-effect relationship.
Asher Peterson
Why don't you prove your claim. Where are your mythical cable anchors? Why did they put up a bridge without them?
>only posts a single page from the design briefs that show Post a link to the entire brief, faggot. Or better still, take your boomer ass back to fucking facebook.
>Wrong, it's civilian nuclear engineering Close, but commericial aviation still takes the cake. There's reactors all over the world that were found to be in a horrible state of neglect after Fukushima. Unlike planes, reactors don't enter other countries that may have stricter rules on engineering tolerances, which is the reason why commercial aviation takes the cake for the strictest. Even the machining tolerances on planes are tighter, especially if they're flying through German airspace.
Parker Ross
>an element of the construction was new Not new, but concrete truss bridges are rare compared to steel truss bridges, for good reason. In fact, it's hard to come up with many examples at all of them.
>a social expectations thing No it isn't. Only a tiny minority of girls like math and science in spite of 4 decades of bright girls being pressured by teachers and parents to take math and science Same reason you see few men in social work fields. They are not interested!
Liam Cook
>t. brainlet >The Florida International University pedestrian overpass that collapsed catastrophically during construction last week was advertised as a “cable-stayed” bridge, but it actually wasn’t: Instead, it was a modern take on an old bridge design that experts say is vulnerable to failure when a single structural piece is damaged. miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/west-miami-dade/article206122229.html
Landon Barnes
Based prime yellow pussy hunting American Military
>posts a local news website rather than the actual design briefs that were requested >local news website is horribly corrupted and most text is hidden behind a giant black circle How can one person become this much of a boomer?
Tyler Morgan
>Close, but commericial aviation still takes the cake. If you knew the level of paperwork and quality requirements for nuclear engineering, you would agree with me. Over 50% of the cost for a nuclear plant is paperwork. One time I was involved with an NRC request for training records for a process. They weren't satisfied until they traced the training program all the way back to the person who invented the process. I spent more than two years fixing an issue where an inspector didn't wait 15 minutes for a process to complete. He only waited 12. >There's reactors all over the world that were found to be in a horrible state of neglect after Fukushima. Wrong. Reactors were designed for their site conditions. Regulators then decided that wasn't good enough, increased the level of the design basis accident, and forced plants to spend nearly a billion dollars on design changes. >Unlike planes, reactors don't enter other countries that may have stricter rules on engineering tolerances, which is the reason why commercial aviation takes the cake for the strictest. Every vendor wants the NRC stamp of approval. It is the gold standard. I work on foreign projects that have contractual requirements to get an NRC license before it goes to their local regulator.
Noah Cruz
Will you stop wasting my time, brainlet? You obviously know nothing about this bridge, you come in here and post your rendering and call it a "plan" youtu.be/XIqeSkdxPdM?t=498
For some reason a lot of "engineers" come in defense of this shitty bridge.
Kevin Reyes
>Wrong. Reactors were designed for their site conditions. Regulators then decided that wasn't good enough, increased the level of the design basis accident, and forced plants to spend nearly a billion dollars on design changes. That's not what I said, I was referring to the fact that a lot of nuclear power plants hadn't tested systems in years and legitimately had no idea if some systems were working or not. Fukushima is a core example of this as the engineers simply didn't know if passive cooling systems like isolation condensers were working or not because they didn't know what happened when the system was in use. That's gross negligence to a level that would never happen in commercial aviation, simply due to the fact that every tech working on a plane will have two other people inspecting and validating his work. I mean, there's even examples of ex-soviet reactors operating for years with steam leaking from the fuel channels non-stop.
>claims the bridge wasn't meant to be a cable stay bridge >posts a video that has cable stays in the thumbnail >complains about engineers pissing on his echo chamber and delusions You don't belong here, boomer. Get out, gramps. Get Out.
Jonathan Thomas
Are you really saying that the bridge isn't/wasn't a post-tensioned truss bridge with a giant facade on top? Is all of your information on this bridge from the Sup Forums image macros?
Justin Cook
>That's not what I said, I was referring to the fact that a lot of nuclear power plants hadn't tested systems in years and legitimately had no idea if some systems were working or not. Fukushima is a core example of this as the engineers simply didn't know if passive cooling systems like isolation condensers were working or not because they didn't know what happened when the system was in use. You are wrong. There is constant monitoring and testing. I know it because I see it daily. Also, if the best you can do it Fukushima, realize those reactors survived a beyond design basis earthquake and scrammed correctly. It was the beyond design basis tsunami which took them out permanently. The only aircraft equivalent would be the wings exceeding the 150% design load and not yielding which is impossible because they are designed to meet that test with no margin. >That's gross negligence to a level that would never happen in commercial aviation, simply due to the fact that every tech working on a plane will have two other people inspecting and validating his work. Oh because airplanes survive gross negligence? Airline mechanics aren't grossly negligent? How do you explain AA191? That's just one easy example from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft >I mean, there's even examples of ex-soviet reactors operating for years with steam leaking from the fuel channels non-stop. Soviet plants don't count unless you want to bring Soviet aircraft into the discussion.
Angel Morgan
prolly because the concrete just adds undue weight and strain on the steel components whereas all steel trusses would further strengthen the structure for each pound added
William Perez
You're a fucking retard. I linked to the exact time when he said it. You think you are smarter or more knowledgeable than NTSB?
KYS.
Mason Martinez
You have reason to fear those of that are left.
Cooper Bell
this. if anything it will purify the gene pool
Austin Phillips
This is the same firm in charge of building an outdated form of rail lines in Oahu, Hawaii. It looks like this narrow, raised, concrete freeway cutting across the island. I was wondering why some parts were misaligned and seemed to lead off to the side. Guess I shouldnt walk too close to it...
Evan Williams
>this guy (in charge of FIU's bridge dept) actually got some award from Obama admin for innovation in bridge building.
of course he got an award from the Kenyan. he's Iranian
