1.6 BILLION Murdered: It’s simple. Print this out, post all over the college campus, and cause triggered NSJW Chaos. Are you doing your part?
1.6 BILLION Murdered: It’s simple. Print this out, post all over the college campus, and cause triggered NSJW Chaos...
Nathan Diaz
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Carson Hernandez
Why did Hitler hate Jews? Rabbi Yosef Tzvi ben Porat will explain to you.
Brandon Garcia
Luke Thompson
Adrian Russell
1.6 gorillion?
Eli Ramirez
(You)
Charles Thomas
>Khmer Rouge (not communist)
LOL, WHAT?
Benjamin Williams
Ah arbitrary claim of the week. Freedom to be ruthless is still freedom. Off to the gulag Sheboygan
Julian Sanchez
>bad things happening is always capitalism's fault when commies aren't involved
>missing the point that the "100 million murdered under communism" refers to explicit acts by the communist states done for the sake of communism
Robert Gonzalez
>newfriends are now a daily thing.
>shill threads always attracts tons of facts and redpills
>shill threads also contain the enemy
Shill threads are a net gain for us.
The more counters we hit them with, the more newfriends we redpill
And the more obvious their tactics become.
If we do not respond to them. They will do their job and shill it on the board for hours. Newfriends then become exposed to the purely controlled narrative that we must stamp out.
Please, someone refute me.
It doesnt take too long to pop in and put these shit fucks in their place, and stop this decline into degeneracy.
Unless of course, if you have any reason that my observation is wrong. Lets discuss it.
Noah Cook
Andrew King
> if we pull 75% of people out of poverty
> we are responsible and caused the remaining 25%
Brainlet Marxists don't know wtf they are on about they're just salty about their dear leaders genocides and famines
Jose Roberts
114 MILLION killed in Native American genocide? Gtfo!
Carter Bell
Damn, I didn't believe it at first but all those sources don't lie...
Ayden Smith
Capitialisim tripled the population of the planet dipshit
Levi Foster
So imperialism is capitalism??
Eh...no,afraid not, Adam Smith was anti imperialism, the fundamental premise of capitalism is that imperialism is not necessary as CAPITAL CAN BE CREATED INSTEAD OF CAPTURED...EPIC FAIL FOR (((YOU)))
Joseph James
the first thing i read was Katrina
what a cruel fate that Hitler lost
Jordan Diaz
That's just hilarious. On most occasions the injuns did well until revolvers and repeating rifles came about.
Charles Adams
You can hate freedom commie, but freedom will always love you and welcome you with welcome arms. Your hatred for those that feed you is temporary but Liberty is forever.
> hey guys we don't have to plunder eachother anymore (win-lose) we can actually trade (win-win)
> it's all your fault!!1!
Grayson Parker
>look at list
>first item on the list is a fucking hurricane
>commie idiots think that capitalism causes hurricanes
Evan Thomas
*Inhales*
Jack Ward
Feudal Russia.....not capitalism.......
Nolan Edwards
you are attributing war deaths to a economic system you moron. these arent democide murders. this is why your low iq ass is a commie faggot.
Isaiah Richardson
Let’s do the math here. 1.6 billion allegedly killed by capitalism. This goes back hundreds of years, and disencluding nations that are not capitalist, let’s give a conservative estimate at 10 billion. That’s low but the lower that number is, the better it works for you. Unless I missed something, the furthest back you went is to around the 1300s in feudal Russia. 1.6 billion/ 700=2,285,714 deaths per year. Meanwhile, communism, presiding over a significantly smaller population (I’ll round way up for you) of 2 billion, using a lower estimate dealt with 60 million deaths from around 1917-1991. 810,811 deaths per year. If you equalise the statistic based on population ruled over you’ll multiply 810,811 by five at 4,055,555 million deaths per year.
I intentionally utilised horrificly faulty statistics put up by your side. Even then, communism still does worse than “capitalism” in terms of death toll being 1.774 times more fatal. Had I done these calculations fairly and used the same sorts of statistic inflation that you did, communism would be looking even worse.
Bentley Jenkins
> heh...nothing personal
Elijah Edwards
114 Million Indians, yeah no.
William Mitchell
Thanks user
I made this in case a retard tries to utilise this bullshit in the future
Also
>attributing war deaths to an economic system
>implying feudalism is capitalism
OP sucks dick
Brayden Evans
That wasn't real capitalism tho.
Justin Collins
1.6 billion cucks are not humans. You will soon feel the wrath of genetic superiority
Josiah Allen
The hundred million were killed within the first few DECADES after columbus because disease spread like wildfire. There wasn't an intentional genocide of 100 million natives. 95% of the americas died before the 1500's were over.
Ethan Sanchez
>this thread
>this post
Will OP ever recover?
Brandon Nelson
Let’s see what this get was
Juan Lopez
>1 post by this ID
Do not confuse imperialism and capitalism. They are not the same.
>Vietnam war was capitalism
at best it was a proxy war
>Native american genocide
No. That was mostly accidental
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>Mussolini's ethopia
>Nanking
>Rwanda
>Palestinians killed by Israel
>Fascist independence
None of those are capitalism. They are just things you don't like.
Nolan Rodriguez
Capitalism requires constantly expanding markets to sustain itself.
James Martin
Something around 60~80 million between Columbus and Mayflower to be exact
Nicholas Cook
based ancap
Freedom will outlive communism by millions of years
Jayden Flores
saved
James Roberts
>Hurricane Katrina (deliberate faulty construction) 1,836
I stopped reading after the first one. What a a total retard list
Julian Carter
>Marxism is the only kind of Socialism
>Bolshevism is the only kind of Marxism
good meme
Angel Gutierrez
boarding now
John Scott
Pic?
Jace Sanders
>economic system is political system
Sebastian Howard
Freedom will always outlive the last dictator as long as we keep the flame alight.
Jacob Young
Gabriel Wood
too late already but INB4
>IT WASN'T REAL CAPITALISM!!!
Tip Toppest Of Keks.
Kevin Murphy
Nobody said that.
Ayden Nelson
Trump just tweeted this number.....is this a sign?
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Colton Bailey
"You can hate freedom commie, but freedom will always love you and welcome you with welcome arms"
You're implicating communism is intrinsically anti-freedom. If you want to say Bolshevism is, sure. But communism in itself? I believe that is a baseless claim.
Cooper Ross
>Capitalism is to blame for a hurricane
lmao
Lucas Miller
same pic but in HD
Gavin Reyes
Do you realise the "workers" marx and engels were referring to would be today's blue collar citizens? Factory workers, plumbers, machinists, welders, mechanics...You know, the people making a shit ton of money in todays capitalist society not bitching about politics?? There's a reason you never hear about trade school students protesting on campus. Because while everyone is bitching and moaning, they're learning realistic skills so society doesnt have to give them free shit for the rest of their lives.
Wyatt Howard
Clearly not baseless, they deny property rights as an extension of the use of an individuals faculties.
They think they believe in freedom but clearly a different kind. Collectivism will never be freedom, even if they think it will lead to freedom from Capitalists, freedom from rent, freedom from work and whatever else is disliked.
Jeremiah Perry
>people to useless, retarded or lazy to get jobs dying
It's called natural selection.
Cameron Cook
>implying communists do a better job of distributing food, water, and medicine
I’m afraid I’ve got some bad news, pinko.
Elijah Allen
The "death by communism" meme is about how many countries had their own people die for trying it. You're comparing it to how many opponents Capitalism has killed.
>Poison is better for you than owning a gun because guns kill more people than poison!
Then drink your poison nigga god damn, stop telling us to drink it too.
Justin Robinson
You're precisely right. That's also because most of those industries are unionized, so workers have the ability to collectively bargain.
Gavin Perez
>So imperialism is capitalism??
Yes. Colonialism was simply the capitalists lobbying the government to destroy the traditionalist governments that dominated Asia and Africa and replace them with (((marker friendly))) governments.
The average Joe did not gained anything from the colonies, other then being drafted to fight another war.
>Adam Smith was anti imperialism
So?
Nathan Smith
well, they don't know how economy works and that's the most basic shit
Logan Lewis
Except the advent of Colonialism predates; Capitalism, Adam Smith and the Industrial Revolution.
Zachary Sullivan
>Tamil genocide
Wew
Julian King
>Any death or disaster ever is Capitalism
AHAHAHA
sage
Asher Nguyen
well property rights in themselves have been limited by every society ever, so they're not necessarily right per se, but a thing that members of the social contract, like all "rights" feel necessary to guard. What most Socialists hold is that this "right" is not a right at all. The extension of individual faculties is only really a matter insofar as personal possession is concerned. Once property extends into the social and public sphere, it is no longer a personal, individual piece of property, but one operated on by a collective of people.
Now, as for Collectivism, Marx never posited direct institution of communism, but a necessary transitional period wherein workers controlled the means of production through syndicates or cooperatives. A Marxist would advocate imo, for a liberal state in the short term with things like direct democracy, individual rights, and but with the interests of the workers at the helm, in short term.
Jonathan Bennett
1.6 billion is not enough.
There are millions of degenerates and commies still alive to this day.
Jackson Green
gommunism never killed anyone because it wasn't properly implemented
but anywhere where there is a death, it's capitalism's fault, even in gommunist hell holes
LOOK GUISE
IT'S A BRAIN DEAD PARASITE TRYING TO INFECT US WITH HIS BRAIN VIRUS
Kayden Fisher
*Property rights is basically denying freedom to the other. Capitalism is anti-freedom.
I was talking more precisely about colonialism in the victorian era.
And capitalism did not start with Adam Smith.
Robert Stewart
>He didn't see all the tweets during storm season
user, I...
Justin Campbell
>durr hurr everything bad that happens is the fault of crapitalism
hahahahaha gr8 b8 m8
>inb4 b& for "replying to garbage posts"
Jaxson Hall
I'm aware of their distinction between possessions and property, I'm still curious about what constitutes the distinction. I don't think they know among themselves, after asking for like what is it now....4 years or something specifically. Yours is interesting.
> collectivism
Yeah so the road to a stateless classless moneyless propertyless society, I know the old communists talked a lot about freedom but I don't consider them of the Liberty movement because of Collectivism but a question so I can understand, are you saying the end goal of communism isn't a collectivist society? (obviously different from state communism or democratic socialism)
Christopher Miller
>stuff that happens under a capitalist regime is not the fault of capitalism
Capitalism dindu nuffin
Jose Wilson
>first item is fucking Katrina
mcfucking kill yourself comrade
Aaron Brooks
Capitalism has occured more frequently than communism. The deaths under capitalism are bound to be higher than communism.
Andrew Jones
We must not be working hard enough, because you are still alive to post this.
Cooper Baker
>your pic
Like the banks in '08?
James Collins
> *Property rights is basically denying freedom to the other. Capitalism is anti-freedom.
So I've heard but since Socialists don't have a well developed theory of property we will never know the alternative because "ours" is better. Property is freedom is life is freedom is property.
> And capitalism did not start with Adam Smith.
Sorry for the confusion, it's why I said predates 3 different thing, because people like to have different starting points.
> colonialism in the victorian era.
Hard one to look at, as said earlier ITT people like Adam Smith and the Classical Liberals were opposed to Imperialism in favour of....well Liberalism, Capitalism and peace.
This is clearly different to the Marxists that attempted to push a marxist transition to a marxist society, know what I mean? The Kings, Queens, Clergy and Merchantalists were not Capitalists/Liberals pushing Empire, beause it obviously began earlier, and continued on through people that were on opposite sides.
In fact the old left/ring sort of political duality split was between Liberals (Classical) and Tranditionalists, before the Socialists came along and the "conservatives" from their various tunnels.
Jordan Barnes
Pic related
Oliver Butler
>stubs toe
>"FUCKIN' CAPITALISM"
John Gutierrez
That's what they get for not being capitalists!
Blake Hill
that wasn't true capitalism
Nathaniel Smith
I think most don't know because most don't really give a shit and just spout whatever they've heard online. I believe the possession / property discernment as I consider it to be the only feasible one, as it explains why a discrepancy even exists. A person has whole right to the things they make, they use, etc. etc. insofar as self is concerned. Once the use of those things, in a systemic way, results in the limitation of a right, that possession becomes a property, the say over which should then be dictated by society at large, through proper apparatuses taking into account things like established precedent in similar cases, etc etc. We kind of already do this in most every western nation. Imo, "socialism" should only seek to further this, but in a decentralized way, giving more power to Unions, not the federal government to immediately dictate interventionist policy.
I believe the end of communism is a society that protects individual rights and allows all individual freedoms, but within a communist culture. Marx attacks all socialist alternatives because they exist within a bourgeois culture, one grounded in the protestant work ethic. Communism, and especially as the Frankfurters propose it, seeks in its final form a cultural transformation that allows for an individualist society, but among individuals that think in a collectivist mindset. That is to say, individuals espousing (what I've usually likened to) Rousseau's concept of civic virtue.
Xavier Reyes
There wasn't 100 million people on the continent at any time before European settlement.
Angel Rodriguez
"Capitalism" is simply a market system in which goods are exchanged through some sort of medium. The name was applied to it after the fact as an explanation for the economic system of the 19th century
Communism was created by some rich Jew who never worked a day in his life. And he required that violent revolution take place to implement it, as opposed to the natural growth of "capitalism".
Communism and its adherents (because they are as fanatical in their belief in communism as an Islamic fundamentalist is in Islam) are directly against nature. Saying "capitalism" killed billions in the same way communism killed 100 million is apples to oranges. People weren't killed by ideologues for the explicit purpose of "building capitalism"
Gavin Sanchez
Yes. Corporate welfare is still welfare
Easton Carter
Capitalism as it existed in Marx's day outlawed labor unions. Violent revolution took place, but the implementation of labor unions and anti-trust legislation was the result. Public intervention in the "natural" market system.
Elijah Rodriguez
>don't have a well developed theory of property
Just because you refuse to learn more about it doesn't mean it does not exist. All the information in the world is one click away
>Property is freedom
oxymoron
>capitalists were opposed to colonialism
Imagine being so deep into my ideology that i have to ignore reality.
Do you know who the fuck Cecil Rhodes is? Colonization of Moçambique by my country was due to a capitalist venture. Most of the countries who got colonized were so the european capitalists could have access to a certain commodity, or to open up new markets.
>Merchants were not capitalists
>Merchants did not push for a empire
Who is Cecil Rhodes again?
Henry Evans
Socialists committed the holocaust in the name of capitalism?
WWI and WWII were capitalism? When the National Socialists fought the international socialists?
Oh, and everything else on that list. LOL.
Cooper Peterson
>Welfare is socialism
Imagine being so dumb that you believe what Fox News tells you
Levi Harris
Nazis were capitalist
Joshua Robinson
that's too few. we need to murder more commies!
Jaxson Garcia
The weather literally isn't capitalism
Jonathan Reed
>Murdered by smoking
kek
Jackson Butler
It seems to me that what you believe is that whatever property I own should be yours to decide how to either use it, or confiscate it for some higher value, thus depriving me of any chance of making something of it while giving it to the wolves.
Thomas White
>Hurricane Katrina
Dis nigga serious?
Sebastian Hughes
How can you confiscate something if property was abolished?
>Hurr Durr every communist is a sociopath that dreams of larping as a cartoon devil Soviet commissar
Mason Evans
> A person has whole right to the things they make, they use
> Once the use of those things, in a systemic way, results in the limitation of a right
That's a tricky one, if someone has a right to what they use and have a connection to, when does that as you say deny someone else' rights? Contradictory rights are a big issue, what right does private property deny? If you have your life, your faculties and then the result of engaging your faculties are we saying that private property is the denial of someones right to engage their faculties? Because I always thought that was the point of ownership in the first place, you know exclusive use to scarce rivalrous resources etc, exclusion being central to the thing you claim and are connected to like, if you grow food excluding others is a big a part of why we have ownership to protect our things.....
> communist culture
I can understand the need for a communist culture, sort of like when they say "new communist man" that people meme about, every ideology should be going for the underlying culture IMO but then what does a communist society with a communist culture that protects individuals rights look like? Or rather how does it differ from what Communists and Socialists talk about already "egalitarian, sharing of resources" or whatever. Maybe it's a question of different rights different freedoms?
Nigger, I've spent the last few years debating socialists, reading their works (Marx to the Fabians I've read 30 something Tracts so far), I've scoured the net for articles, it seems like an after-thought and expost facto justification, they start with "we don't like private property" realize (cognitive dissonance) "well fuck we still need to own things" and then try to shove a square peg in a round hole in 5 different ways.
I'd love a link to a solid one from first principles up.
> oxymoron
No it's not, we need property to be free, to have the fruits of our labour so to speak remember?
Daniel Gonzalez
> hurricane Katrina deliberately faulty construction
You lost me there commie faggot.
Jace Garcia
Not at all. It is only when a group of individuals submits a case to some authority, perhaps a court of sorts, that a case against your ownership should be questioned. There is no "me." There is not even an "us." There is only what established authority and precedent should say about a matter when a limitation of right is at play. You as property owner and workers as operators should both be able to present cases, and an unbiased third party should judge on the matter.
Hudson Lewis
>Nigger, I've spent the last few years debating socialists, reading their works (Marx to the Fabians I've read 30 something Tracts so far), I've scoured the net for articles, it seems like an after-thought and expost facto justification, they start with "we don't like private property" realize (cognitive dissonance) "well fuck we still need to own things" and then try to shove a square peg in a round hole in 5 different ways.
What is exactly your doubt?
>we need property to be free
What? What sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do to reach this conclusion?
Cameron Clark
>are we saying that private property is the denial of someones right to engage their faculties
Well, one could talk about things like the capacity to engage in work in a specific area. Suppose land in an area is purchased and the population is poor. All work options provide sub-par wages. Though this is unlikely, and the people of the area in question should be able to take their case to a court and have wages be raised by the corporate entities in their area. Is the capacity to engage in work a right? Well, if one cannot secure the right to one's own life by engaging in labor, I would say no.
>what does a communist society with a communist culture that protects individuals rights look like
a society where the needs of the collective, in the minds of men, come before the needs of the self (in a moderate way of course, no one in their right mind would advocate that one should die for the needs of the community, not at all). Personal rights could still be protected in this paradigm, imo
Ethan Reyes
300,000,000 death from cigs (capitalism)
Robert Sullivan
>when deaths occur is a socialist country due to a natural disaster it is ok to pin them on communism
>When deaths occur is a capitalist country due to a natural disaster it is suddenly not ok to pin them on capitalism, cause it is not real capitalism!!!