Was there a legit scenario in which The Axis would have win the war?
Was there a legit scenario in which The Axis would have win the war?
Xavier Howard
Joseph Fisher
A non may-may way, that is.
Adam Mitchell
if usa didn't intervene
Owen Reed
Anglos should have peaced out after the BEF and France were defeated in six weeks.
Jason Reyes
Perhaps we shouldn't have dropped a million tons of his women and children while the men were off fighting the Red Army. Perhaps we shouldn't have funded/fed/armed/trained the Red Army after it marched into Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Finland and Romania against the will of the people.
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Daniel White
I don't know about the Axis winning but it should've would've been nice if the US immediately mobilized against USSR after reaching Berlin
Joshua Scott
We’re the new Axis Powers. So when we win, that will be the scenario.
Evan Butler
>We’re the new Axis Powers
Cooper Davis
Pretty much this.
>no arming of UK + Russia
>no second front
About the only things that would have given them a fighting chance, but honestly I think that the rooskies would have worn them down with the zerg sooner or later no matter what. Body count would've just been even higher.
Connor White
where's japana?
Brody Hernandez
Proof needed that the GIs in that image believed what you're attributing to them.
Pro-tip, they didn't.
Owen Gonzalez
of course there is, but they still lost
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Nolan Sanchez
If Germany focused all its power in the western front and never started a war with Russia. Japan stays in the chinese/korean conquest and just takes the hit from the oil embargo. Italy actaully works.
Owen Turner
The imperial seal is literally next to the adler
Lincoln Lewis
Leave the soviets alone, leave the Americans alone.
Angel Reed
Yes, Hitler should have unleashed all all of Croatia upon Stalingrad.
Dominic Gomez
>italy being useless chimps
>italy too scared to seize malta despite the aerial garrison there being a few gladiators in crates
>franco doesn't join the war
>med theatre unable to be closed out
>time effort and men all wasted in north africa and the med only to result in a massive morale boost for the allies
Easton Jenkins
>ameriposting
the western front was a fucking shitshow whose whole purpose was reaching berlin before the soviets
the real war was in the east, and the war with russia was inevitable - the sooner the better, considering how the soviet industry amped up exponentially
Michael Hughes
Why the hate, MC Janko, my friend?
Zachary Jenkins
Why the hate, MC Janko, my friend?
Lucas Taylor
What hate? Who wouldn't want weaponized Vatican werewolves in their army?
Carter Scott
idk, maybe Hitler should have focused on eastern european countries, radicalizing and shit aaah the world will be much better imagine a cucked state of servia
Eli Myers
>werewolves
I’m not even that hairy.
Camden Reyes
american involment stopped communism to spreading further west, soviets would won without US
Henry Brooks
Spain was not an axis country. Franco remains neutral
Brandon Evans
which was actually amazing thing. Can I ask why he did that?
Jacob King
if it weren't for those stupid fucking britbongs
Ian Lee
1) Not invading Russia at or at least not until Britain was defeated.
2) Building up the air force for sinking ships and longer ranges.
3) Building airfield in Poland
3) Getting a guarantee from Japan to invade Russia.
4) If you invade Russia invade in April not June, and plan for winter.
5) Fund Pro-German movements in America, and the republican party more.
Michael Davis
Yes but it's too hard to speculate because every proposed action would have led to a different course of events after. Some key points:
>kursk, or generally, just Hitler ever listening to his command staff
>Gibraltar
>Stalingrad
>Norwegian nuclear supplies not being blown up
>Italy not losing every single campaign
>American neutrality
>Dunkirk
Carson Howard
The Spanish Civil War had just ended a few months prior to the beginning of the war and Franco didn't want to have to fight another war.
Cameron Gonzalez
Never thought of this before
Evan Howard
US joins on the right side.
Liam Johnson
Radzieckie kurwy będziesz chwalić? Gdyby te ruskie kurwy nas nie zaatakowali to by Polska nie była dzis takim gównem.
Michael Hill
>this level of retardation
John Jenkins
>not wanting another war
that was wise.
Pozdrawiam z ojczyzny expacie. Ruscy i tak lepsi od brytoli.
Jaxson Mitchell
>what is the USSR
Owen Barnes
elaborate you stupid bong
Dominic Ross
Two:
>Japan never attacks America
>a fascist coup in America
Michael Harris
>be slavshit
>lose a 20k ton warship to literally 2 italians
Your "italians can't fight" shit won't work here.
Jacob Russell
-no italy in the axis
-usa sending 0 resources and tanks to the soviet union
-japan not hilariously losing every engagement with the soviets
basically if every axis power was putting in the effort that germany put in.
otherwise no
Camden Cox
what the fuck Slovenes, Croats I would understand, but Serbs to fail so hard is weird
Adam Young
Oh please...
Adam Bennett
state of SHS declared indepedance from the Empire and got all of it's ship and contacted the Entente forces that they have taken command of all Imperial and Royal Fleet and bases on teritory of Slovenia and Croatia. Italians chimped out because ot would mean they woudn't get what Entente promised them if state of SHS existed so they sneakily attacked. Same boat and fleet with same men kept entente out of adriatic for 4 years.
Brody Cooper
whats hard to understand, they lost every war in the last 30 years.
Brayden Lee
>this level of retardation
Brandon Evans
>still mad
Jacob Russell
Tu masz racje, ale tu już nie ma brytoli, Drugi Pakistan tu mamy.
Aaron Phillips
If the USA was somehow prevented from supplying the brits, and especially the commies, and also didn't get involved more directly, the axis would have probably won. But that's not all that realistic, considering the jew stranglehold the jews had of american media and pooitics. They would just invent a new excuse to get involved, if they had to.
Grayson Ward
I am not mad at all. If you want some real italian achievments you can easily find them, but sinking neutral ship while crew was asleep and thinking it was neutral isn't okay. It's like Pearl Harbour
Anthony Cooper
You call italy weak?
Ethan Long
please bong, give your opinion on subject without insulting
Evan Perez
Gommies wouldn't have had the resources to get so far west without US aid.
Aaron Russell
Can someone make italy ball with it's anus spread for ethiopia ball? And pretty much everyone else, while we're at it?
Jackson Kelly
Only 1.6% of all soviet equipment came from lend-lease. I think that soviets could have easily shaven off even 10% of their divisions and still won via attrition.
Colton Bailey
We should have kept advancing
Lincoln Reed
>loses to rice farmers
Elijah Bennett
>roman empire > americunt chimpire
Chase Diaz
I'm curious to know whether the combined Allied forces or Red army would have won in conventional warfare. Then again, if shit went south, you Yankees had the bomb.
Jonathan Diaz
yes they would and they had. They got half of germany, they would get and other half, and then maybe bongs would land in France so soviets don't install Maurice Thorez as head of french goverment
Carson Ward
>MDCCXI
>1711
wut?
Anthony Myers
>Russia surrenders before winter
>japan stops after China and Korea
>Germany focused on the western front before the eastern front, France’s military was weak and Spain was in a bad shape after the civil war so they could’ve taken it too
Connor Brown
>america wants to see black man fucking white
jew brainwashing is showing
Dylan Cook
no I jak to oni mówili, good riddance
spierdalaj stamtąd zanim cię ahmed zapierdoli nożem na ulicy albo rząd UK zabierze ci mąkę i wszystkie łyżki
Asher Myers
>Spain was not an axis country
Sure Manolo
Caleb Baker
Probably allied forces since soviets had no access to steady supply of rubber, but that depends completely on how rabidly the Chinese civil war would have ended leading into land route into indochina for soviets.
Oliver Hernandez
Nah, if the US had stayed out of it entirely and stopped supplying the UK with lend lease then the UK would have been forced to come to terms with the Germans. At that point the Germans could have thrown the entire weight of there forces against the soviets, who would be without allies. There's just too many things the soviets depended on from lend lease for them to make it on there own, stuff like trucks, trains, food, fuel, etc. If they had to produce that stuff as well as there regular armaments they would be fucked.
Easton Rivera
Beer, pizza and anime everywhere.
Andrew Long
I'm pretty sure that Britain and France wanted war no matter what, but maybe playing it purely defensive until war happened with Russia would have been better.
Even then the British and French would have probably joined Russia's side.
Knocking Russia out of the war would have probably forced a negotiated peace with Britain and ended the war.
Easton Gutierrez
It wasn't a Serb tough
>commanders and leaders
>Janko Vukovic
>Janko
It was a Slovene
Joshua Gray
I want to believe
Mason Harris
Correction, apparently he was a Croat
en.wikipedia.org
Jordan Martin
it would be alot harder for soviets, alot. But they have made all those things alone, US helped alot, but they could have done it alone. By the end, there would probably be 20million dead red army spldiers instead of 10. And Britain could have defended it's island, german navy was pathetic, they woud raid some cargo ships and that's all and britain would managed to counter it.
Carter Morris
The only chance, and I mean ONLY fucking chance, was basically on the eve of invading France, they invaded Russia - and in particular took over the oil fields of the caucuses. Otherwise they were doomed from the start.
Austin Bailey
I see the bots keeping these distraction threads going are in working order
Dylan Cox
Why would they had to invade them anyway, since Russians were their largest trade partner when it came to fuel before Barbarossa?
Jonathan Green
Yes, not gas the Ukrainians. They wanted soviets to fuck off and they probably would have helped btfo Russia. Instead Hitler played the racialism game.
Brody Allen
great, he was not Serb, you win
Jack Howard
UK-Third Reich alliance would have sealed the deal.
Julian Nelson
1)don't genocide the jews since all your best nuclear scientists are jews and an extra million man could be useful later
2)don't purge the slavs and use them as extra manpower vs the usrr instead of creating partizans
3)either force the japan to open an eastern front vs urss or don't attack pearl harbor
4)shot Goering in the head
5)focus developing on an actual long range bomber
6)let generals do their job
that would require hitler and co to not be powertripping autistic meth heads so impossible
Nicholas Bennett
yay for me I guess
Matthew Rodriguez
The myth of the soviet numerical advantage is just that, a myth. When the axis invaded they had almost 4 million men against the soviets 3-3,5 million and these were poorly lead and equiped. If the allies hadn't given equipment and supplies to the soviets they would have ran out of ammo, guns and tanks. After operation barbarossa ended the sovets had only about 5000 heavy guns (HMGs, mortars and other artillery pieces.
Thomas Diaz
God can you imagine what a great place the world would be today if that had happened?
Austin Sullivan
Of course they didn't that's the point, if they really knew what the future they fought for looked like they all would have went home.
Ryder Young
Without US involvement, I doubt the bongs would have been doing very much invasion.
Nolan Harris
If Jewish bankers weren't involved.
Chase Morales
Nah USA and Britain bombed all their supply lines and factories. Germany would have been fine... If we're talking Russia and Germany only
Jose Bennett
Conquer the UK before trying to take on the USSR, since Stalin wasn't foolish enough to try invading west Europe.
Wyatt Butler
yes the scenario where they recruited all the slav tribes instead of referring to us as untermensch and also if they didnt play in the sandbox in africa, that was a giant waste of time and resources, they could have focused on destroying the english first, then the french, then the ruskies and it would have been guten nacht juden side
Lucas Anderson
>what is Lend-Lease
Lincoln Anderson
still a pain in the ass when the pre-ww2 strongest nation in the entire world harasses you all day long with their planes and ships.
Matthew Edwards
Yeah, that was truly some stupid move (and ultimately moronic considering what modern population genetics show...)
>pre-genetics racial theory my ass
Colton Myers
Also, you're all forgeting the main reason for invading the USSR. The axis desperately needed the oil fields of the caucasus, without them germany would loose guaranteed.
Nicholas Campbell
lol
Henry Wilson
MA in military history, retired officer, 25+ years of study.
The only way Germany wins is if the US stays home, including Lend Lease.
For the 1940 Lend Lease act not to pass, you basically need FDR to die sooner than he did. That is your historical break point. There is no way FDR stays out of the war.
WWII was the first truly mechanized war. The Allies, mainly through the US, had access to ninety percent of the world's known reserves in 1940. The Germans had three. Those were in Romania, which is why bombing Ploesti became an obsession til it was knocked out.
Closest thing to a believable split was the novel 1945. Concept was Hitler was incapacitated the day the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and Goering, Bormann, and Himmler did NOT declare war on the US. There were only the votes in Congress for a war with Japan. With no "Europe First" strategy, we won "The Pacific War" by 1943.
Meanwhile, Lend Lease was enough to keep Britain free, but Germany held from France to the Urals.
Michael Bennett
Not fighting to Soviets(atleast for the time being), which would probably require victories across North Africa and the ME in order to gain the oil needed. It would still be very hard because Germany would need to keep troops at the Soviet border to protect against the Soviets backstabbing them. The japs situation is almost impossible because they couldn't keep up with US production and even if they got an agreement with the Soviets allowing them to withdraw troops from the Soviet border their Navy would require a miracle to beat the allies.
Brandon Bailey
Barbarossa was pre-emptive. The USSR was always going to attack (communist bolsheviks who fled to Russia after the attempted bolshevik revolution in Germany between WW1 & WW2).
They were butthurt and were always going to attack. Germany just caught wins of it far too late and tried to react.
On the eve of the invasion of France, they instead decided to turn on Russia, they would have had a much better chance.
America would still be struggling to get it's people in the war mood.
Japan would receive Russian oil, alleviating it's resource crisis at the hands of American blockades
France and England would still be figuring out ways to turn the conflict against the other.
Mason Jenkins
they would if entire germany was under soviets, they would just sweep in remaining germans guarding France(if there would be any by the time soviets managed to get entire germany)
significant help, just not war winning. Trucks and bean cans aren't enough
Austin Perry
The slavs scorched earth'd the oil fields anyway, so it didn't matter.
Should've gotten oil from the middle east instead.
Levi Thomas
You are fucking shitting, Finnbro. We shipped a quarter million wheeled vehicles of all types, thousands of aircraft, and most of their fuel.
Read "Why the Allies Won" by a Brit named Richard Overy.
Daniel Scott
>Knock out Brits in Dunkirk and Africa
>Don't declare war on Russia - instead strengthen ties while fortifying Eastern Europe
>Invest heavily in standard issue medium tank like long-barreled Panzer IV's or Panther/Panzer V's
>Invest in Jet-powered fighter planes
>Invest in 4-engined long range bombers
>Invest in Assault rifles/STG44's early on
>No wasteful V1/V2 programs, at least not until Jet-fighter mass production is well underway
>Do not declare war on the USA
>Develop a nuclear bomb
>Get the oil in the Middle East
>Knock out British air power, ignore their bombings of Berlin and other cities, just focus on taking out their capability to wage an air war
>Absolutely dominate European skies through air superiority and investment in radar all over the place
In case of war with Russia despite attempts to preserve peace: invade with reasonable goals that are attainable, such as:
>Proper winter prep
>Establish friendly relations with peoples within the Soviet Union that do not like the oppressive regime, enter the country as liberators