>Nationalism The belief in national soverignty rather than Globalism >Socialism The belief the wealth a Nation generates should remain in the Nation for the benefit of the society which generates it rather than giving gibs to Israel or fighting in needless wars
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Or maybe you agree with NatSoc but not the optics? That's fair. America has room for one flag and it isn't the Swastika of 1930's Germany. But as a philosophy National Socialism was invented to free a Nation from the type of kikery we are experieicng in America right now. Under NatSoc Hitler freed his people in just 4 years, while under Democracy Trump can't work for We the People without Congress or some kike Judge shutting him down.
American National Socialism is the answer. Not Nazbol, not White Nationalism, not Democracy.
You may not like it but this is this the way forward.
I disagree with the retarded pyramidal power structure that almost inevitably ends up allowing opportunistic sociopaths climb to the top. I disagree with the curtailing of civil liberties. I disagree with the cult-like collectivism and personality worship. And so on. >Under NatSoc Hitler freed his people in just 4 years Sure, if by freed them you mean he conscripted them to work on autobahns, then got millions of them killed in a war he got the country into because he didn't know what the fuck he was doing. NatSoc is retarded.
Kevin Parker
>I disagree with the retarded pyramidal power structure that almost inevitably ends up allowing opportunistic sociopaths climb to the top. Impossible under NatSoc. > I disagree with the curtailing of civil liberties. like which ones? >I disagree with the cult-like collectivism and personality worship. People follow good leaders. >Sure, if by freed them you mean he conscripted them to work on autobahns you mean he gave people jobs they wanted? >then got millions of them killed in a war he got the country into because he didn't know what the fuck he was doing. pic related.
>Impossible under NatSoc. It happened in 1930s Germany. >like which ones? The liberty to peacefully oppose the government, for one. >People follow good leaders. Doesn't mean the government should encourage a personality cult. >you mean he gave people jobs they wanted? If they wanted to work on the autobahns, why was there a conscription program in place to get them to do it? >pic related. Is bullcrap. No invasion of Poland in 1939 means almost certainly no war. The French and British were still war-weary from WWI.
Jordan Jenkins
>It happened in 1930s Germany. No it didn't. What r u even talking about? >The liberty to peacefully oppose the government, for one. If the Government isn't corrupt why would you oppose it? >Doesn't mean the government should encourage a personality cult. True. Hitler didn't encourage a personality cult. His oratory and actions created it for him. He was a good leader. >If they wanted to work on the autobahns, why was there a conscription program in place to get them to do it? the same reasons whites will complain about not having jobs right now but refuse to work if offered a position. Laziness and degeneracy has gripped the Nation. >Is bullcrap. No invasion of Poland in 1939 means almost certainly no war. The French and British were still war-weary from WWI. The war happened because pic related.
>small, orange tabby enters the thread >it glances around at the posts >it drops something that is mostly dead >it runs away don't touch it an0n. you might catch something
Try to find me a legit source for that Churchill quote. >No it didn't. What r u even talking about? You don't think Hitler was an opportunistic sociopath? What, you think normal people attack their own political allies by surprise and have them horribly murdered? (Night of the Long Knives) You think Goering gave a shit about good leadership? You think Himmler was all right in the head? >If the Government isn't corrupt why would you oppose it? Because you might have a different idea of what the correct policies are that the nation should follow. >True. Hitler didn't encourage a personality cult. His oratory and actions created it for him. He was a good speaker, but the Nazis also tried to encourage the personality cult as much as possible. That was a big part of Goebbels' job. >He was a good leader. No he wasn't, look at Germany in 1945. >the same reasons whites will complain about not having jobs right now but refuse to work if offered a position. Laziness and degeneracy has gripped the Nation. The US is currently the most productive nation that has ever existed in human history. >The war happened because pic related. The Brits gave Hitler three days to cancel the invasion of Poland. They said, basically, if you don't cancel the invasion we'll declare war. Hitler didn't cancel the invasion. The Brits declared war. That's how it went down.
Evan Wright
Its actually both, mostly socialism.
But as far as sovereignty goes I'd rather the individual be sovereign, but the world is just not ready for that yet so the nation will have to do until then.
Jacob Gutierrez
>Try to find me a legit source for that Churchill quote. archive.org/stream/WitnessToHistory2013Edition/2013EditionWitness-to-history_djvu.txt >You don't think Hitler was an opportunistic sociopath? Of course he was, but he took advantage of the situation to benefit his People, not himself. >Because you might have a different idea of what the correct policies are that the nation should follow. If the majority approve of the Government why should the noisy minority complain? I the Government is bad wont most people oppose it just like they do right now? >No he wasn't, look at Germany in 1945. "look at germany after the entire world came down on germany to stop hitler freeing his people from kike control." ... >The US is currently the most productive nation that has ever existed in human history. the US is weak on all fronts thanks to democracy. >The Brits gave Hitler three days to cancel the invasion of Poland. Hitler pled with Poland to stop the mis-treatment of Germans for three months before he attacked. Are you saying Hitler shouldn't have fought for the Germans in Poland? Have you watched HellStorm Documentary?
what about hitler's socialism do you not like user?
Gabriel Ward
If you're claiming that most of the 25 points in the programme are good, I agree. If you're claiming that using the term "socialism" in America is a winning strategy i'd beg to differ.
Take a look at voting patterns in America. Consider what your goy elites fear the most. It's socialism. A winning machine should be based around "protecting" Americans from Jewish/nigger socialism. Protecting liberty and your "Christian foundation" from Jewish debauchery.. etc. Anglin believes it should be called American Nationalism because minorities and kikes want nothing to do with that label. He believes it should use the American flag as its symbol for similar reasons.
>>Socialism >The belief the wealth a Nation generates should remain in the Nation for the benefit of the society which generates it rather than giving gibs to Israel or fighting in needless wars
You mean that the wealth of an individual should be confiscated for the benefit of society, right? This is the part everyone should take issue with.
You haven't read the basics or you're a subvert. I'm going with the first. Hitler made it more than clear successful movements had to be fresh. He would be horrified if 80 years later, if after the invention of the internet and mass automation, we used his labels, program and symbols.
Half of his regime was spent at war. The other half was spent preparing for this war.
>archive.org/stream/WitnessToHistory2013Edition/2013EditionWitness-to-history_djvu.txt That's not a legit source, that's some neo-Nazi writing. It doesn't explain where it itself got the quote from. >Of course he was, but he took advantage of the situation to benefit his People, not himself. How do you know? Did he even care about the difference between the people and himself? You ever read about how he ranted toward the end of the war that the Germans had failed and it was fair that they would be destroyed? >If the majority approve of the Government why should the noisy minority complain? Disagreeing isn't the same thing as complaining. Sometimes the minority is right. The Germans who supported the Nazis were partly responsible for their own downfall. They supported people who would start a war the country couldn't really win. >"look at germany after the entire world came down on germany to stop hitler freeing his people from kike control." Hitler could almost certainly have avoided the war. He failed to do so. >Hitler pled with Poland to stop the mis-treatment of Germans for three months before he attacked. Are you saying Hitler shouldn't have fought for the Germans in Poland? Yes, of course he shouldn't have fought for the Germans in Poland. Helping a few thousand Germans in Poland isn't worth risking millions of Germans in Germany. That is completely obvious. However, I completely do not believe that Hitler invaded Poland because he really gave a shit about Germans in Poland. I think that was an excuse. >Have you watched HellStorm Documentary? No.
Luis Fisher
You can call NatSoc any new thing you want. I've even developed an American system not called National Socialism. But the philosophy itself.. the system.. can not change. This is why Anglin is a subversive: he says the system is wring not just the optics.
>How do you know? Because he used his power to improve Germany, not his own wealth. >Disagreeing isn't the same thing as complaining. You should be able to disagree but rioting in the streets like ANTIFA should be illegal, right? >Hitler could almost certainly have avoided the war. He failed to do so. >>Have you watched HellStorm Documentary? >No.
>what about hitler's socialism do you not like user?
Nationalizing the key industries Controlling the banks (I'd rather have hundreds of banks over 1 nationalized one) Social Engineering in the form of social programs.
I could also rant about how he conquered Europe when he could have just patient. I could also rant about the holocaust, but you probably dont care. I really dont either since it doesnt matter in the long run so long as we don't mimic anything like it again.
And of course I could criticze his military tactics.
But he did actually allow germany to recover from the depression unlike FDR in the USA. So he did do that right.
I actually don't have a problem with Ethnostates or anything of that nature so long as it is not enforced through violence. And really the reality is that we are not equal in abilities, but I also don't care so long as people don't try to give me shit for being a different race, and if they want to interact and buy from me or vice versa, by all means. I don't see any reason to discriminate against valuable customers.
Sorry if anything I said is incoherent. i am tried and will be going to bed, so dont expect a reply.
Grayson Walker
Hitler chose the words "nationalist" and "socialist" because they were useful. Hitler was not a nationalist in Mein Kampf he wrote clearly about the need for Germany to get dominion over the east and to crush bolshevism. Hitler considered naturalized Slavs to be just as German in regards to citizenship and privileges as a full blooded German. The SS had blood rules but society as a whole was 99.5% German in his eyes. Kikes/gypsies/faggots/disabled were the exception.
As for socialism his economic policy was led by a non-party member and his version of "socialism" (people community) was a cultural movement more than anything. All cash welfare for able bodied men was funded through donations, for example.
We need a new machine. The people we admire made this clear to us a thousand times over.
>Nationalizing the key industries As opposed to Jews owning everything. >Controlling the banks As opposed to Jews controlling the banks. >Social Engineering in the form of social programs. As opposed to no social programs, an unhealthy and addicted society. >And of course I could criticze his military tactics. Military tactics aren't part of the NatSoc ideology. >so long as it is not enforced through violence. Agreed. Violence is the last resort. > i am tried and will be going to bed, so dont expect a reply. have a good night user
Connor Davis
bump
Blake Reyes
>Because he used his power to improve Germany, not his own wealth. Sure. Stalin also lived a simple lifestyle. Some leaders don't care about luxurious comfort, they're in it for power not for comfort. That doesn't mean the nature of their relationship with the people is healthy. I think Hitler was a rabid ideologue who actually believed his own bullshit. In his own mind, he really was working for the people (at least, the ones who were ethnically German and supported him - he didn't care about the others). But he worked the people into their own destruction. >You should be able to disagree but rioting in the streets like ANTIFA should be illegal, right? Well, I think property damage and attacking people should be illegal. But it already is illegal in the US. You don't have to have a NatSoc state to forbid violent rioting.
Jose Reyes
we all look to the past for inspiration. you nazi fellas just don't look back far enough. not that i don't think you guys have some good points, nor will i be disappointed if i end up in the same trench with y'all. i just think you guys don't really have a plan for success.
Dylan Jones
>I think Hitler was a rabid ideologue who actually believed his own bullshit. In four years he freed his people. He was right to believe his own bullshit, wasnt he? >You don't have to have a NatSoc state to forbid violent rioting. True. Many Americans would be surprised to learn how closely aligned Americanism is with NatSoc. Even Hitler was inspired by America's old system.
> i just think you guys don't really have a plan for success. It's only a matter of convincing the People.
Self styled liberals in America have nationalized key industries because that was the proper thing to do. Macron is a neo-liberal that just nationalized some of the defense industry while opening up other areas to competition.
The most successful movements in history did not have coherent economic policies. We can see this most notably in communist China since the 1990's or in America post-war. The leaders experimented and did what worked. They do what is best for their people whether it be nationalization, opening up markets, putting people back to work, inflating the currency, etc.
Hitler was the same way. His first economic minister wasn't even a member of the party. Hitler wanted results.
>In four years he freed his people. He helped some people. He murdered others. I wouldn't say he 'freed his people'. After those 4 years, he got the nation into a war that killed millions of Germans. Had the Nazis not taken power, Germany would still probably have recovered economically from the Great Depression in a few years. A Germany at peace and reintegrated with the European economic system seems to me to be much better for its people than a Germany that starts a war in which millions of its people die.
Ian Jones
this
Nazi larpers and E-celebs have been a cancer and have stunted the growth of the ideology as a whole. This shit din't work for GLR and he was a much more intelligent and charismatic speaker than anyone we have now.
Brayden Peterson
>he got the nation into a war that killed millions of Germans you keep spreading this myth, user. why? Europe and America went to war with Hitler. Even Japan sided with him.
Bentley Powell
>we can not change the philosophy. Their philosophy was liberation and a thousand years of peace. Everything that followed were means to an end.
We can't neglect the fact that NatSoc, as a socio-political system, liberated the people and brought peace to Germany. Anglin wants you to abandon not just the optics but the system. I wonder why...
Blake Collins
>only a matter of convincing the people t. Lenin
Brayden Diaz
do you disagree with the claim? argue with me m8 dont name call, jesus..
James Gutierrez
Britain and France were war weary from WWI. They did not want war in 1939, and did a lot to try to avoid it. Hitler forced their hand by invading Poland. You are spreading the myth that there was some British/French plot to force a war on Germany. I have never seen any evidence for this (other than unsourced quotes in neo-Nazis literature), and I've seen a lot of evidence for the idea that the Brits and French tried hard to stay out of a war. For example, they let Hitler have the Sudetenland. As for America, it would never have gone to war against Germany had Germany not been at war with Britain and France already.
Nicholas Williams
>Mutts wanting to be national socalists. Nice try ese, go back to your McDonald's.
Isaiah Roberts
>Hitler forced their hand by invading Poland. watch hellstorm and come back at me with this claim
Nathaniel Howard
Your knowledge of the third reich doesn't seem to extend beyond the 25 points and a few speeches. How did you muster up the courage to consider yourself an authority on this matter? You American 70IQ types are the reasons we stopped making /nsgs/ btw. If you're a moarpheus shill good play it worked.
Mate, sorry, I'm not gonna watch some neo-Nazi bullshit. I've watched enough. It's all poorly sourced garbage. If you want, summarize the main points and post them here.
>i refuse to educate myself on this topic and am only here to shill
seems legit.
Liam Edwards
I always see the same six. In Charlottesville it's that one guy with a flag in front of a newsvan. How many nazi larpers are there in America? 20? 30? How are these people relevant?
>American National Socialism is the answer. Lol only if you want to preserve the nigger / jew status quo. Imo America in it's current form needs to die so something can be reborn from it's ashes. Something...whiter.
America is big enough and strong enough to be completely self-sufficient and is a perfect candidate for NS.
The thing about people waiving swastikas and the red, white, and black colors of the German flag is unfortunate. These people should be told to clean up their act or get out of the movement.
Furthermore you shouldn't even call it NS. White Nationalism is fine.
Camden Torres
doesnt matter, most of usa sucks balls anyways. not like you are gonna change anything when the internet segregates people faster and more efficiently than ever... nationalism is a relic of the past if this trend continues for 30-40 years, its gonna be a sprawling mess of ideological parties like it is now but just with more agency, power and freedom
>a whole bunch of kids got doxxed from the Charlottesville rally >but not the one kid with the Nazi flag or the guy that did a Roman salute Hmmmmm
Logan Anderson
what is there to argue with? you act like getting the people on your side is the goal, meaning you are: >alarping commiefag or recently converted >under the age of 25 >no children (that you are proud of) >no family (that you werent given by the biological lottery >no institution you are helping build
its not that i think argument is pointless, i just don't think you are seriously bringing anything to the table. if this link: is too much, then honestly m8, what are we going to discuss?
to have worthwhile discussions, you must become worthy. there is no shortcut or quick scheme. case in point, someone said all of this to me, just like i am saying to you, 5 years ago.
Noah Campbell
I don't refuse to educate myself on this topic. It's just that I have a lot of experience with reading neo-Nazi shit and I think I can predict what some video called 'Hellstorm' would be about with about 90% accuracy without even watching it. There will be stuff that is obviously bullshit to anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge and common sense. There will be 'quotes' sources for which cannot be found. There will be a lot of slobbering over Hitler's cock. If you want to 'educate' me, summarize the material and post it here.
Alexander Hernandez
>you act like getting the people on your side is the goal Why wouldn't I want to get the people on my side?
Jackson Anderson
American goy elites would never consider autarky. That's not a solution. Germany was under international boycott since 1933 and the eastern plains were under complete Soviet control. The third world was almost entirely in French or British hands. Autarky was a necessity until the war could be fought it was never a long term policy for success and Hitler spoke about this if you believe TT.
I always hoped someone would find out who he was. Same with those six or seven "NSM" ADL larpers. Seems nobody has heard of them.
Brayden Torres
Not to mention a family, job, and good mental health.
Evan Sanchez
>National Socialism isnt Neo-Nazism Meh. I've read a lot of Goebbels, and it's very similar to typical neo-Nazi material. Goebbels didn't invent most of it, either, a lot of this material was around before the Nazis.
Oliver Cruz
>blonde hair, blue eyes, This is a Jewish meme that's only propagated in America. Hitler didn't have blonde hair. He married a Southern Bavarian and he could have had any Dane he wanted.
this is where you fail. support is a tool, not the goal. stable and certain control of power should be the goal, and is for anyone that is actually serious.
calling it now, you are a shekel hoarder posting for kicks on muh Sup Forums
Kayden Thomas
Nazi
Adam Moore
You don't get to pick out what you like about Nazism.
Anthony Richardson
>stable and certain control of power should be the goal How do you expect to get there without first winning the majority support?
Bentley James
Goebbels wrote very little, and rarely about National Socialism.
Asher Mitchell
No, I should check it out. I know Goebbels' views changed a lot between the 20s and 30s.
Cooper Ward
That's precisely what esoteric Hitlerism is. Americans ruined it when they flooded into our board during the election.
Neo-Nazism is skin-head, TWP, TRS, bullshit. Has nothing to do with NatSoc as a political system and not a single one of these Neo-Nazis can articulate the philosophy of NatSoc.
Ayden Walker
Page one of the Nazi Sozi by Goebbels:
>Do not be a degenerate anti-Semite
So this post is true: Neo-Nazism has nothing to do with NatSoc. Check out the Sozi m8, it's a short read.
Jaxon Parker
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. It's evident you don't even have an amateur understanding of the regime.
Aaron Williams
I don't mean the "Aryan standard" What I mean by that is a pure European heritage
Ian Hall
To be clear, when I say neo-Nazis, I just mean everyone who supports NatSoc post 1945. Which includes everyone on Sup Forums who supports NatSoc, for example.
Liam Rodriguez
the part where you're a bootlicking faggot who wants to concentrate power where it's easily abused by various (((groups)))
the only authority you should submit yourself to is God and His Church
>unironically using the word kike >probably thinks himself a moral or decent person Jesus fucking Christ dude. Just flush every thought you have down the toilet. When was the last time you took a course or read anything dealing with logic? Embarassing
It's the political system which is exemplified by the regime that controlled Germany between 1933 and 1945.
Logan Gray
Nobody except this American OP retard wants to bring back a 1930's German political movement. Until the election everyone understood this. I hate Americans.
minority violence, social decay, absolute necessity. you guys want America. We want power. as i said before, i will not be disappointed to see your ilk in the trenches, i just dont honestly expect you see you lads when and where the rubber meets the road
