What happened to the idea of "America?" Burgers, If you could choose, would you be American knowing what you know now? Veterans, would you fight for it again? Boomers, would you change anything you did? What's happened to the idea of America? Who's changed it and why? Video related.
Do you Believe in America?
Brayden Anderson
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Isaac Taylor
Of course
Mason Hernandez
What, in your opinion, is worth saving?
Eli Hill
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Connor Long
I believe in the constitution, not the atrocity that corrupt individuals have built on top of it.
I will fight to the death for what I believe in
Evan Roberts
as a whole? depends on the situation. As an entity? Oh, without a doubt in my heart
Samuel Lewis
the clay
Oliver Lee
50-90 percent of the people can fuck off and die tho
Jace Reyes
its damn fine clay
Cameron White
same
Owen Morgan
the first ten amendments of the bill of rights, the declaration of independence, the land, the people, and the property.
Michael Flores
The idea is worth dying for, the nation/people are not.
Cooper Nguyen
The german and irish immigrants came to America with a dream, and they dreamed it and lived it. They BECAME American and there were no social programs back then. So again, I ask, what happened to the idea of America? And is what we are seeing today, America?
Christopher Young
Democrats.
Jaxon Rivera
Do the people of a nation define it? Or does the idea define what the Nation is?
Jason Barnes
user, the idea of America was to prevent what has happened. The idea is gone. Hence, why you see what you see and note the problems that you note.
Carter Allen
>What happened to the idea of America
We let the Left kill it.
Tyler Young
They define it only if they embrace it, clearly many are not
Landon Hall
The idea of America. It's not a "depends" type situation, user. The idea is that you work hard, you are successful. You dream, you have a chance to reach your dreams.
Landon Reed
I think is a bit of both, most of the people now have abandoned the idea, they forego responsibility of negative rights, in exchange for the security of positive rights. America stopped being itself once the world became small enough that there were no frontiers, not specifically pand though. I think in the event that a new land of oppurtunity opens up free from larger govermnent interest, people with ideas very similar to earlier America would go.
Logan Brown
Who's "We?" Because it clearly wasn't me or you, user. This has been been a 40-50 year result of constant collectivist pressure. We lost our idea to believe. Became greedy. Compromised with these people.
Ryan Lopez
America died after the civil war, the south being ruined, and the north being swept away under mass immigration. America is currently dying a second death under a new wave of mass immigration and will probably disintegrate as our blood thins and our common bonds finally snap. If the near future is not posthuman then it will quickly become subhuman until an asteroid falls from the sky and finalizes our mistakes.
Josiah Morris
We lost America.
Trump isn’t helping now.
We bitch online, do nothing.
Keep bitching while we loose our country to foreigners and socialists agendas.
Brody Jackson
Agreed. Wherever people with the old idea of America go, they need to guard it steadfastly and never give it up. Never compromise.
Leo Martinez
Yes, as the founders laid out.. But it's so fucked now I doubt we will ever get back.
I want to have kids and teach them to love what this country stood for but you can and always should question what it's doing.
The founders knew a lot and it actually grieves me to watch the zombies at the "march for your guns" have 0 idea why the founders understood and put the 2nd amendment in the Constitution.
I hate that any moron can claim to "represent" or be American just because they stand on our dirt..
Fuck them, they fundamentally want to change the founding principles of the U.S. and are commies when you get down to it.
Tired of this shit, they can't claim to be "American" anymore than I can claim to be chinese with my blonde hair and blue eyed ass.
Jackson Peterson
It is gone?
We wouldn't be talking about if it was gone.
Jordan Wright
Agreed. This definitely did not help. Sending a half million people to their death, did not help our plight. And what got accomplished? A fucking law.
Kayden Sullivan
It needs to die, user. Like Rome, the barbarians need to come in and clean house. Only after mass chaos and suffering will a new nation arise.
Caleb Jenkins
Good point, user. But it's breathing it's final breaths. The idea lives in a select few Americans. But the reality here is that we are overtaken by the billionaires who fund the subversives. We are battered and tired. And if we don't stand for the idea, it will fall.
Taking reality as it is anons, is it worth it now?
Grayson Evans
Have the barbarians not already arrived? Are they now not living in your home? Are they not already imposing their will on us? They'd have you believe that you are free. That they haven't taken over. But they have.
Gabriel Peterson
I don't disagree with you though. At this point it is a futile effort because of our apathy and compromise. I think we'll need to let the chips fall where they may and pick up the pieces.
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Juan Bell
>Do you Believe in America?
No. Freedom is a pipe dream. It results in libertines on the left who flout any standard of decency and individualists on the right who deny the existence of community and consequently fail to act in its defense. So it's a contest between those who would use authority for wicked ends and those who abdicate their responsibility to use authority for righteous ends.
That being said, I grudgingly support the existing government because St. Paul has commanded me to.
Isaiah Wright
So you've compromised. This is how we fall. This is our death.
Ayden Gonzalez
america is race of men not an idea, only their descendants can live it, but the modern american man is an abomination whom his forebears whould have shot on sight... la creatura
Gavin Hughes
Well you answered your own question..
I won't give up based on principle alone. Quitters and cheaters are why we are where we are.
That kind of stuff doesn't last though..
Am I frustrated at the current state of things? Yes, I am. But vigilance is not for the faint of heart either. Fuck the pussies, fuck the commies, fuck the quitters.
The top heavy system they have created cannot last.. It's not natural, we have literally upset the natural balance by subsidizing laziness. The social engineers know this cannot last too. We are at a point where we will either rise to the occasion and do our ancestors a solid..
OR FUCK IT ALL UP...
One way or another I'm going up the fucking hill, if I die, take my ammo and keep killing the subversives and traitors. Traitors to America, and Liberty
Jayden Miller
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Alexander Taylor
It will always be worth it.
Chase Harris
BASED MEL RETURNS!!!!
Great timing
Dylan Morris
>the most honest 1:52 minutes in television
Lucas Sullivan
>It is gone?
This has not been a WASP country for a long time, the demographic battle being lost by the late eighteen hundreds, and the reins of power were seized by fools shortly after WWII removing all pretense of continuity.
Jayden Anderson
You are wrong, Swede. America was an idea. It was an idea that saw people from your country come here to farm our land, work in our factories; to rear their children in a place that allowed them to be a part of this idea. People came because of the idea.
Logan Collins
How am I wrong? Why am I supposed to feel loyalty to a bunch of retarded freemason ramblings that don't work because they didn't factor in human depravity and the need for strong authority? The best I can say about it is that it worked well on paper than the mess it became. Faint praise there.
Matthew Lopez
>It was an idea that saw people from your country come here to farm our land, work in our factories; to rear their children in a place that allowed them to be a part of this idea
And it didn't work. Those fucking squareheads turned Minnesota into the land of 10,000 cucks.
Anthony Gray
Then we must be steadfast. We must promote the idea and not compromise. We must make our reality reflect what we believe. We're overrun. Infiltrated.
Austin Taylor
This. Vote dem and get overrun by illegal mexicans or vote repub and get overrun by H1B indians. If we could somehow block all these immigrants for 10+ years I think we would be ok but the pressure from both sides is just too much
Kevin Wilson
I can fullheartedly say I hate America and what it has become. I don't consider myself anything other than a Dixie American, ever since the war of Northern aggression how can I possibly say I identify with that traitorious union flag? Our military is literally everywhere including Syria destroying their homes, funding fucking ISIS and Israel. I feel we need a national revolutionary to unite under the Confederate flag, we are not the greatest country in the world we are the worst.
Nathaniel Howard
no
america was founded with the central concept being freedom
Freedom is just too easy a concept to corrupt
Gavin Butler
The main problem that Muricans don't understand is that the Constitution was supposed to be a TEMPORARY, imperfect solution. Read the fucking Federalist Papers.
Instead, we're using this hackneyed bullshit form of government because it it served us somewhat well for a couple of centuries, but it's outdated as fuck. Now, if Muricans weren't completely retarded, they would do what Americans were SUPPOSED to do and find better ways to provide liberty.
The market anarchists have done all the work for you faggots. Now it's time for you to embrace it and work to liberate us all with a freed market society. IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF AMERICAN, THIS IS YOUR GOD GIVEN DUTY!!!
Dylan Phillips
They are not, thier will is not cohesive enough. If you think its bad, you have no clue how terrible it will get. Anarchy and terror, cities starved and burning as brother turns on brother. Were not there at all, but close.
Gavin Nelson
The things (((they))) stole from us
Noah Baker
Oh, that's where you are wrong, friend. It did work. Do not think that cultural marxism left anything untouched. It rooted itself deep in Minnesota at the same time that it was rooting in other places.
Jacob Jenkins
bill of rights
Jack Butler
Because you've compromised, my friend.
Kayden Martinez
I would be proud of America, except these retarded children and brain dead SJWs keep fucking it up. We seriously need nationalism. I will vote for Trump a second time, regardless of how dumb he is, if only he keeps America nationalist.
Cameron Mitchell
Ever read this book??
These guys literally had no hope at all. But they realized there was no turning back and that they would either die traitors to the Crown or heroes of the United States..
I'm not saying we need to form our own nation.. But if this one goes to hell anymore it's going to have to happen. I would rather restore this nation. The TV makes it hard to understand. I travel for work man all over the US.
Most people are like us. The faggot kikes in the news make it look like everyone is against America.. Very untrue.
Lucas Martin
Freedom, for what?
Isaiah Stewart
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Anarchy won't need a capitalist system in the future.
Brandon Price
Im not a veteran, but I would still fight if it meant the existence of our country was on the line. Not to be confused with being a revolutionary. But where things are headed, it's starting to look more and more like that so well see.
The point is you're not fighting for the people living in the country. I pledge no allegiance to Mohammed down the street, who's favorite hobby is testing backpack bombs in his backyard. It's for the ideals and principals on which this country was built, and the opportunities I enjoy from living in it. Anyone American who doesn't appreciate the luxury of living in this country can get raped by Satan.
Asher Young
You can feel as you want, good Sir, or Madam, but neither of our North or South will exist soon. The time to forget transgressions is now. These were our great grandfathers fighting misguided wars that could have easily been prevented. We must stop with the trifle shit at this time and join our phalanx together.
Justin Williams
Agreed. They have their foot in the door, but haven't made their bed quite yet.
Wyatt Robinson
And this is exactly what was stolen. Our happiness. Our cohesion. Our identity.
Elijah Nguyen
>Anarchy won't need a capitalist system in the future.
I don't consider myself a "capitalist". We just need the freedom to interact voluntarily.
Lucas Thompson
Same but someone should seriously tell him to chill the fuck out with the daca bullshit. I think a shoot on sight policy for illegals is closer to the policy that I want than daca is
Levi Butler
>Freedom, for what?
The freedom to import endless hoards of foreigners, destroying our culture, heritage, society, living standards, virtues, values, and everything we hold near our hearts under an avalanche of shit.
Anthony Murphy
funnily enough, americans think they need to protect themselves against a oppressive regime opposed to democracy
meanwhile you fucking shits have a record to coup foreign nations just because
makes you think
Kayden Gomez
But what does that mean now? What rights do we now have? Are they not all completely arbitrary? Do you think you have rights?
Sebastian King
youtube.com
Here you go. Just put that together with the aforementioned automation and you have a potential anarchist paradise.
Chase Scott
Let's not lose sight of what America is and is not. Let's not argue with SJW's on their own platform because they have a shifting platform with no moral ground. Let's not get bogged down in North versus South bullshit. Let's not be divided in our endeavor. We need to spearhead the attack, not sit idly in our foxholes.
Nathaniel Bell
Ok Sup Forums you can eat a bag of dicks, old white christian america was awfully bad, your country would be shit if it was for you, full of rednecks ignorant hicks with muh god and muh guns.
Im glas jews took charge, now USA haves interesting places as California or New York, your time is over old white males, America will turn into a brown, atheist and LGTB world and theres nothing you can do to stop it, enjoy Trump while it lasts, the last fart of the obsolete white.
William Reyes
user, OP here. My Great Grandparents were foreign. Pic related is my DNA profile. Let's not argue about secular mental gymnastics about who's a foreigner and who is not. We all are. (((They))) will utilize any trick to divide and obfuscate. The IDEA of America is what we want.
Jaxon Sullivan
The Imperialist Federal Government is an entity apart from the common American.
Luis Bailey
Why are you here colonist? Get back to fucking your sheep.
Adam Richardson
The South doesn't live with slavery anymore user, and since you 100% were not alive when it was still relevant, it's probably a dead issue. Personally, I would say that you drop the political science book, update yourself on current affairs, detach your emotions from your judgement, and derive your own concept of the 'optimal' government based on what makes the most sense right now.
>Throw out all other viewpoints. Erase your personal opinions and dispositions. Start completely over, blank, with a completely neutral viewpoint. Then use only logic and rational to guide you.
On a side note, this approach does not have to apply to your whole mindset. Just to politics, or whatever else you want it to apply to.
However, I will say that you should take back your statement about the US as a country. It is absolutely the best nation in the world. But this divisionist language is the bane of our existence right now. We shouldn't be following the ideology of any one group from 100 years ago. Fuck everyone else. Fuck ideology. Seriously, we should really just call ideology 'soft brainwashing'. The only ideology we need is LOGIC, with the goal of absolute technological superiority. We make the rest up as we go.
Landon Young
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Gavin Martinez
We are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights. The true idea of America is that the feds have literally nothing to do with our rights. They were granted by God and they cannot be legislated away
Cooper Gray
it's your fucking country dude
Hunter Mitchell
Eloquently spoken, user. Exactly.
We can not go back in time to adjust the mindset of some idiots that decided to send 600k sons into battle and die over a fucking law. We need to band together to save the idea. (((They))) want us divided and bickering over trifle shit.
Benjamin Perez
That's the reality today, yes.
Thomas Taylor
nah, there are too many different interpretations now. I just live here.
Caleb Parker
Yes. However, we have seen in the past 50 years compromises by people who do not believe in the idea anymore. They don't know, understand or care what America used to be. All they care about is their family and the billionaires/trillionaires that support them in their destruction of our society.
Logan Gutierrez
>old white christian america was awfully bad
True.
>your country would be shit if it was for you,
Untrue.
>full of rednecks
Most are good people.
>ignorant hicks
This idea has been mostly untrue since the printing of books became cheap in the eighteenth century and is complete anachronistic in the information technology age.
>Im glas jews took charge
Nepotism is bad for everyone.
>USA haves interesting places
The land is not there for you to find interesting and there is much you do not know.
>your time is over old white males
Unfortunately it seems so.
>America will turn into a brown
Then it will turn into a desert.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Maybe you will watch your people fade into oblivion.
Owen Clark
>it's your fucking country dude
Negative.
Asher Richardson
I can empathize with your contention. It all feels too lost, doesn't it? Why fight when you can just give up, right? This is a theater and you a buying the story that you are seeing.
Adam Brooks
Agreed. It is not our country anymore. It was sold and bought by the highest bidders. Those of whom are buying and funding shadow political shadow organizations to manipulate reality, news, and beliefs.
Brayden Price
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Jason Morales
good thing you prepared for this one right ?
go go fight that oppressive government
Caleb Hughes
True however I think the idea of America is objectively inspiring and we could get back on track with most people believing it if we werent getting continuously swamped with new recruits. A five year freeze on ALL immigration would really allow us to solve a lot of our problems I think
Ryder Watson
>good thing you prepared for this one right ?
The demographic war is lost.
>go go fight that oppressive government
It's more of a distant parasite than an oppressor. Remember that the Union is composed of many peoples living in different States. Washington DC is it's own thing.
Juan Gomez
Who was prepared for this? I was born at a time when the tentacles of these people were already 20 years deep into our subversion. I read, I studied and see reality for what it is. Am I advocating fighting oppressive government? Negative. Fighting Cultural Marxists on their battlefield, we will lose.
Angel Bailey
Saudi money played a big role in this in the past and the shale gas boom is helping us on that front. I am surprised no one is talking about trying to lock up george soros & co as a potential solution to this madness
Jacob Green
>It's more of a distant parasite than an oppressor.
i know that full well
issues are systemic and wealth is not in your nation
just trying to point out contradictions
i feel for you, you sound like a cool dude
Isaac Smith
True. But I think we should assess the intentions of the people we would bring here. For example: A Muslim from a war torn nation who has no education and has lived a lawless life or a White South African who's worked the land in South Africa for hundreds of years and are Christian?
Tyler Gutierrez
Read into what I've been saying in this entire thread, but by no means is this just George Soros. There's an entire platoon of these marxist billionaires in cahoots planning together.
Ayden Barnes
I think it's less that I'm giving up. I'm not going to fight over my interpretation nor give it up. It's more that mine no longer fits the image it has now, and will only become more estranged from it over time. Does that make me no longer American? I don't know.
Aaron Adams
This, all one need to do to understand this is turn on the TV..
Always some zombie sheep saying things like
"we need SOMEONE to do SOMETHING about this"
They think that government is just there to help them and fix things so they don't have to think too much.
They have brainwashed generations of Americans into being the ANTITHESIS of the American "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" type.
We were founded on principles of telling the government to "FUCK OFF"
Now they have every other retard thinking when Bernie Sanders spits a vague platitude like "we need comprehensive reform" they go apeshit as if he is saying some profound truth.
These people don't "deserve" America, in my opinion. They have shit on it.. It's quiet sad if you just look at the whole of human history and then see how literally the most well off people in the history of the planet think they have a horrible life..
It's fucking pathetic that we have been so demoralized by communist kikery.
Thomas Perez
SA farmers would be the correct answer there but honestly I’m in favor of neither. Both left and right-supporting billionaires advocate for some type of massive influx of foreigners due to either ideological or economic pressures. This practice must stop
Kevin Powell
I feel like that too. When I went into the Marines, I fought for an idea that was America. The more I lived, the more I saw that was I was serving for was no longer alive. I understand your feeling and almost feel that if this is what America is, then I'm no longer American.
Jason Wood
>would you fight for it again?
No.
>What's happened to the idea of America?
It got #MUTTED. No coherent identity anymore except for vapid consumerism. And consumerism cannot hold a nation together in the long-term.
Wyatt Allen
It is still your country if you believe it is, unless money holds that much significance to you. The only thing standing between us and restoring the glory of America is a lot of work, and possibly death. But better to act and die than live and complain.
Brody Russell
I will never forsake my Homeland. I will never forget the struggles of my forefathers for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. God Bless America