How do you reconcile christianity and evolution?

If the earth isn't 6000 years old and we evolved from southern apes, that means there was no adam, and no garden of eden. Neither was there ever a real fall to sin in actual human history.

If adam never existed but sin is a real thing, when was it introduced into the world?

Did god choose one of the apes that was close enough to a human as the first guy who is judged by rules, unlike the rest of the animal kingdom?

How did sin enter into the world in actual human history?

And if it never did, what use is Jesus' story?

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The Bible is God's word without error. Don't fall for the lies of the Devil.

so existence is 6000 years old?

The Earth is just over 6000 years old maybe 6200 or so. The Bible gives pretty accurate number of years through the genealogies and scriptures.

You have to understand where the stories come from to make peace with these myths in religion. The jews constructed their creation myths with the elements of other myths like the epic of gilgamesh. If you want to reconcile your beliefs with these stories without being a retarded creationist you just have to accept the stories as metaphors.

Fucking pyramids are alot older then that you bible thumping brainlet

but how can those genealogies be true if mtdna ancestry can be traced back 150 000 years?

When God created the world in 6 days a day was metaphorical for step. God could have used evolution to create us.

Isn't it common in school for teachers to tell you this in school? That God could have used evolution to create people and that you can believe in this and God. This is what I learned.

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>how do you reconcile christianity and evolution?

Easy, (((evolution))) hasn't been proven, nor can it be. Neither can creationism. It's just as valid of a theory. The real question is, why do evolutionists believe in egalitarianism, while also believing that we all evolved in different locations, atmospheres, and have contributed much differently to society than each other?

The bible makes it clear that we are different, (((evolution))) says we are all the same though.

it doesnt really fit, genesis gives specific details that adam was the first ever human

so did god just watch the half-monkey hominids live like animals until they adapted close enough to a human and then decided that one among them in the tribe was adam?

and how does eve fit into the story?

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But people were created outside of the garden before Adam and Eve. It goes into this before the story of Adam and Eve.

Because the Devil and his servants are lying to the world about these so called proven facts.

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Eden was in Sumer. Adam was the first sentient man. The Bible is about the beginning of civilization.

When God made Adam did he make a child or a full grown man? Same with everything else. The universe just looks old.

To add to this, secular history says civilization began in that same area around 6000 years ago.

"for through one man sin entered into the world"

so were all these other people just a civilization of sinless people outside the garden?

dont take biblical literalist retards seriously OP. The stories are supposed to be metaphorical.

but the concept of sin is NOT metaphorical

the concept of jesus dying for people's sins is NOT metaphorical

so when did this real, non-metaphorical sin enter into the world? at what point in actual history?

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>heresy

You could read the Bible as a telling of stories meant to illustrate the logic in seemingly illogical decisions. Why wouldn't you kill your neighbor and take his possessions? It appears on the surface that there are no negative consequences, so people did it. But after trying to live in a world like that people realized it doesn't work. So they wrote that down as a warning to others. Put enough of those stories together, Bing bang boom Bible.

Western Ka-rish-tianity is not Christianity. Catholic, Coptic, Orthodox, or gtfo

Because it doesn't

>t. fagan

No it doesn't, stop being retarded

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The 6000 year old thing isn't even in the bible, some autistic retard like 200 years ago did some quick maffs and came up with that number.

so the world is 6000 years old?

why does mtDNA go back 150k years?

did god put a fake genealogy in all of us to test our faith?

so the concept of sin is not real, and jesus didn't actually resurrect at all?

Sure it is. Sins are the actions we take which degrade our souls and our societies. Jesus dying for those sins is an example that though we fail, we can redeem ourselves through the proper sacrifice.

Yes it is retard. The Bible gives all the years from creation to when Cyrus became king of Persia
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'Probably since humans came into existance millions of years ago? The whole 'sin' is about our fleshy bodies are sinful - and that's because we evolved from animals. And nature is brutal as fuck, rape, cannibalism, endless slaughter and viiolence. You see this as soon as you enter the domain of living beings. From the tiniest amoebas who eat up bacteria to the largest lions who hunt deer.

Recent studies suggest that up to 30% of chimpanzees die from violence in chimpanzee wars.

So the concept of original sin is actually very consistent with evolution. It's about our animalistic nature. However we are given rational souls (only animal that has this) and therefore we can rise above this.

Or it doesn't go back 150,000

Sin existed in our world from the moment sentient man came to be I'd imagine.

it comes from the genalogy from adam to jesus which gives accurate years

this isn't an answer

what doesn't and what?
if you're talkin about the mtDNA thing, here:
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>6k years old
>not from the bible
reminder evolution happens to humans in the bible
one of the reasons jp got so popular is he went indepth with this

The world doesn't have to be 6,000 years old , nor does there have to be a literal garden, there just has to be a common human ancestor and for there to have been a fall of man.

I have no idea, but the value of the story is unquestionable regardless. The authenticity of the story is where faith enters. And anyone questioning the value of faith has never analyzed the concept enough.

By not being a fucking idiot. My parents weren't really religious, with my father being the spiritual one who made me go to church young. I didn't like going and after arguing about it he conceded and I was left to choose if I wanted to go or not; I didn't. But then I grew up. I went to high school, and college, and it was evolution and biology that made me get close to God. This world is absolutely amazing and beautiful. There's so much we understand now that we didn't then, and there's still plenty left that we don't know about or can even begin to ponder about. Life by itself is a miracle, and us being aware of that and realizing it is too. I just can't swallow the idea that this is all an accident, otherwise life wouldn't be as beautifuk as it is. And my life hasn't been smooth sailing either. In the end, I started going to church and trying to get closer to God. If you can't reconcile the fact that we don't know nor comprehend the magnitude of life's miracle, then that's OK. I feel bad for you because it's a great feeling, but I won't try and force it on you. Do your own thing.

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The Bible doesn't really say the earth is 6000 years old.

2 Peter 3:8–9 reads:

‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’

Adam and Eve in the Garden are stories ancient people told each other to explain their existence. Once it was all perfect, but perfection became tainted by sin which is disobedience.

Perhaps you see you've been sold bad interpretations.

Jesus is from the new testament. Different story than the old oral histories of lots of tribes and peoples that were written down to form the old testament

It seems to be just saying we all come from someone that loved 150,000 years ago but there's plenty of acientific evidence of there also being around 4500

Ooo, me loves four/dimensional space/time questions.
Old Testament is a (G*d)^1/2 frequency physics text.

Parallel Universes
1/c^4 = 0.123456789... x10^-33 time^4/space^4
1/c^4 = 0.12345679... x10^-33 time^4/space^4

Universe Split
1/c^4 = 01234567.89... x10^-40 s^4/m^4
1/c^4 = 01234567.9... x10^-40 s^4/m^4

(G*d)^1/2
Lucifer = 3 x10^8 time/space
Lucifer = 3 x10^8 m^1/s^1

Dear SI
Redefine SI space/
time definitions

So fun!

>taking the Bible at face value

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>Jesus dying for those sins is an example that though we fail, we can redeem ourselves through the proper sacrifice.
but this is just nonsense, this is certainly not why he thought he was dying, to set some "example" for a purely secular concept. Why would him dying as the ultimate lamb sacrifice if the lesson is "no matter if you fail, keep going"

like wtf?

then why are geneticists in agreement that it does?
And where did they get that number, and why do they agree on it?

look up "mitochondrial eve"

so god picked one guy from a tribe who was close enough, and he was the first ever sinner?

did the rest not go to heaven or hell since they weren't sentient enough, or what?

>(((evolution))) hasn't been proven, nor can it be
Bacteria grows and restructures itself to survive medicine, mice are becoming immune to rat poison, plants give fruits of ever so slightly different shape, size, or taste. These are micro-evolutions, small changes with every new generation. Wolves' teeth have shrunk as they slowly became dogs, human mouths have shrunk as they mastered fire and the need for large and strong jaws diminished. This is macro-evolution, evolving on a large scale over great periods of time.

>The bible makes it clear that we are different, (((evolution))) says we are all the same though.
Evolution says we have the same origins, and so does the Bible. According to it all humans came from Adam and Eve, and according to evolution we all have common ancestors.
I am a Christian, so do not take this as an attack on your religion. I believe God created everything, but in time the world he made changed.

>I just can't swallow the idea that this is all an accident

But you can swallow the idea all the intricate details of nature is by a grand design? Have you ever studied parasites? Aren't they a wonder of nature.

Jokes aside, you're a couch philosopher. Too comfortable to understand Christianity in any other way than your current life situation. But then again; don't be all do that?

Just no. Links to videos are not an argument.

> the absolute delusion of semitic deathcult worshippers

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O, by all means, carry on...

Something had to start somewhere. Ever seen Gogh's early drawings? Bacteria and parasites all have a place in our world just like you and me.

Damn, shoulda Capped me

It's only nonsense to those who lack faith. The universe honors all promises.

Because they're weong. The Bible says it's around 6300 so it is, and these are the same fags that say carbon dating says the earth is 4.5 bijiwwions of years ago

Genesis 1 says "and the evening and the morning were the ____ day" for all six days so no it's not thousands when it says days, stop being retarded

Looks like fagans got btfo.

God said "Bang."

Evolution says nothing about the origin of life.

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>Something had to start somewhere.

What are you talking about? The universe? It is pure conjecture to say a creator did that.

Pic related. It's where we are and how insignificant we are on the grand scale you seem unaware of since you think God created everything.

>Bacteria and parasites all have a place in our world just like you and me.

Doubt you'd think this if you ever suffered from acute diarrhea from a parasite taking up residence in your gut.

As stated, you are too comfy to know anything. Get out of your head.

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What are you talking about

>how insignificant we are
Only lofe in the universe. Prove me wrong, protip: you can't

you posted this trying to say the Bible is older than what a nonretard reading it would get
>But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’

life*

What are you asking me to do exactly?

I made no remarks on how the bible is. I made a remark that the bible doesn't say how old the earth is.

6000 years old is a meme and could easily just mean modern human civilization and God consciousness. When WE begin is when the world truly began. Also evolution is in Genesis, its not understood that way but the literal scientific explanation of today is the evolution of how The Bible says life developed and created.

>"haha, everyone is sodomizing each other and the ruling class fucks little boys. we're also going to import zealous islamic radicals and send our sons to die for jewish religious sovereignty."


and you wonder why people look to God for answers

Evolution is a meme because nobody can prove the tree of life speciation through experiments. Yellow flowers and yellow flowers with red dots are basically the same regardless of linguistic shennanigans that evolutionists do

further clarification: prove that the red dots on the yellow flower aren't just a mutation, and that a mutation isn't just an act of the devil to corrupt God's chosen forms.

Never states how long the earth was without form and void, first few days were not solar days (no sun or moon) and last few days of creation 2 peter 3:8 with god a day is as a thousand years. previous Men AND women created in garden. Not sure how long Adam and Eve spent before The Fall. Plenty of ways to reconcile

>we evolved from southern apes

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no, but it does contradict the book of genesis

this isnt answering the question at all, if the earth isnt 6000 years old and evolution is true, how did the genesis story actually play out?

How do you reconcile being BTFO on a daily basis by a Christian board? Do you enjoy coming back every day to be BTFO again? Is the year still 2015?

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if we can observe a genetic mutation that is X and a different species is the current animal plus 10000*X, wouldn't it then make sense to assume that given enough time, X is able to transform to 10000X if selected for?

in other words, if we can observe these mutations happening, why wouldn't a million small differences add up to a big difference?

Genesis isn't supposed to be taken literally, but allegorically

then why put in all these signs of oldness?

why all the canyons? Why the dinosaur fossils? Why the old skeletons?

>oh lookie here, these underground sand and bones that should have crumbled to dust already means it's been hundreds of thousands and millions of years
>goy: AMAZING WOW

>if we can observe these mutations happening, why wouldn't a million small differences add up to a big difference?
But this isn't scientific theory. Not everything in science or life generally grows according to some simple straight line graph. In the past people thought that everything moves on a straight line until they found that light actually bends its trajectory. Science can be surprising, this is why you have experiments if you want to call something hard science ofc. If you can't prove speciation through experiment then how is evolution different from so called economic theories

not understanding the concept of allegory or what the function of a creation myth is

I don't believe in evolution.
I believe in adaptation but evolution is admittedly a Jewish scam.
Read the Protocols of Zion if you don't believe me.

>bible says God made the world in 7 days >bible also says to God one day is a million years to us and a million years is one day
Do the math

I think the fall to sin is happening right at this moment on a global scale.

>bible also says to God one day is a million years
I don't think it says that.
Also Genesis says each day is a 24 hour cycle with a sunrise and a sunset on each day. Which makes sense since that's the whole purpose of the sky, keeping time.

In the 4th grade my mother told me evolution is fake and that Noah's arch had dinosaurs on it. It was a hot Texas day, and I was pouring a glass of water from the dispenser on the refrigerator door. That's when I lost my faith and began to think Christians were idiots. I'm 30 now, and this was before I even really knew what the internet was so inb4 anyone's leddit fedora memes. Really activated my almonds.

Jesus induced Adam to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, as recorded in the Apocryphom of John. That was the origin of our conscience, a link to the True God, not the origin of sin, at least not directly. Sin comes because we are spiritual beings that know right and wrong, yet we’re tempted by the material world’s illusions.

Don't need to reconcile evolution with anything. It's the opposite of what you can actually observe (i.e. Science).
Creatures LOSE genetic information to specialise. No creature has ever been observed gaining genetic info from anywhere.
If you say wolves are the forebears of dog breeds you could breed wolves into pugs or dobies but you can never breed them back again because they shed genetic info to specialise.
On the other hand creation is the only possible answer to causality.

The earth is over 4000 million years old. You do the math.

The actual Church doesn’t teach this, only morons, Catholics recognize science as an extension of God’s creation

Only Americans with their heresies and blasphamies take the bible literally, and corrupt the spirit of Christianity.

God gave us reason so that we can aquire knowledge and wisdom, and use it to find truth. Evolution, the big bang, and other scientific theories give us insight into the nature of reality, but they do not contradict the notion that there could be a metaphysical source to it all.

Plus, a true Christian needs to think about Jesus first and always when pondering the mistery of the faith.

okay, so how did the genesis story play out in REALITY?

how did sin enter the world IN REALITY ?

but how can you divorce jesus from genesis?

if jesus' entire point was to clear sin, surely there had to be a point in actual history when sin entered? when was it and how did that happen?

Adam is man. It's the story of our transformation from part of the animal kingdom into a self aware and destructive threat to all life. Because we now have self awareness we can only be saved by consciously deciding to rise above the self.

Anger/Devil is a spirit that works thru human, a manifestation; the spirit of love/truth/God works exactly the same thru humans.
Satan cant "Do" unless a human gives themselves fully unto him and his anger, the opposite is love
Fall away from sin user (like adam fell away from God when adam received knowledge of good and evil, only way receive that knowledge IS to know sin)and give ur life to God, the life he has in store for you is beyond your understanding but is revealed as you live in the present without lies

I just want to point out that 'fossils' are stones, not bones. All the original 'bone' material was replaced by stone over millions of years, according to the official narrative. So, when it really comes down to it, there's no way to tell a 'real' fossil apart from a carved stone.

We know that, even according to the official narrative, almost all dinosaur fossils in museums and the like are reproductions, with very few original 'fossils' being present in the presented skeletons.

So we know that they have the capability of making fake fossils that are indistinguishable from the real thing. We know they'd benefit from lying to us about the origin of fossils, if the earth really is only 6,000 years old. And we know they lie about almost everything else. Why, then, do we believe that fossils are real? No one even believed in 'dinosaurs' before the 19th century. They're fiction, like space travel.

i fucking hate religious people, they are exactly like crackheads, completely debased from reality and proudly show their ignorance like a sjw virtue signals on twatter

Not religious but my muslim mate just says Allah set everything in motion. Like he set up the big bang and all events following in a grand design so that humans and the Earth and everything in existence at this point, are in existence at this point. It makes sense to me.

Imagine walking from your bed to ur bathroom and knowing that because you are about to walk to the bathroom you will slip and hit ur head and die.
As soon as He lifts a finger he knows ALL that follows

Is there an alternative theory to both evolution and creation? When working with genetic algorithms you quickly realize how comical the idea of beneficial random mutation is.

a thousand

2 Peter 3:8
That could be literal, but I'm more willing to bet that's a figurative statement meaning "timeless"

very few sure, but still many

look up the most complete dinosaur skeleton, it's 90% of the total structure still there. This is obviously not just some rock

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>So we know that they have the capability of making fake fossils that are indistinguishable from the real thing.
no they really don't.

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