Antifa is facist

Prove that this is wrong...
Some explanation from actual antifas would be interensting.

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>THE LEFT ARE THE REAL FASCISMS

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the Nazis wore Hugo Boss
the Communists wore potato sacks

That's actually true, since fascism is when there is any kind of political violence.

>comparing nation loving NatSoc to chimping antifags
This is the most boomer image I've been on this board. Please fuck off to reddit, thank you.

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Self reply sorry for my grammar mistake,
*fascist

They basically are.

Can you tell me what makes ns so great for you?

Am I right that I will find no antifas on pol?

>fascism is when there is any kind of political violence
nope

fascism is when the group matters more than the individuals it's made of
it's in the name, the handle of the fasces being made of joined twig, to illustrate the group not breaking where individuals would
fascism is just a synonym of collectivism, no more, no less

so yes, so-called antifas are completely fascist
which is why they'll fail, as each and every manner of fascism always does
a great group is made of great individuals
if you give more importance to the group than to who it's made of, you'll just end up with a shit group
deal with it, socialists of every creed and kind

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>Can you tell me what makes ns so great for you?
I don't have to tell you, see what it did to Germany pre-war. Research on it's policies, research Weimar Germany, German (((revolution))), and the German Olympics, etc. If you still need questions, go to the NatSoc general, or watch "The Greatest Story Never Told" or "Europa: The Last Battle".

Dumbass. They're communists. Communists. For the last fucking time. They aren't fascists, they're communists.

Kys.

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That means antifais good? Becaise no fascists?

>hasn't read the fascist doctrine
>uses fascism as a blanket term for authoritarian collectivism
Go back to Africa

Difference is Fascism makes a country stronger despite all it's downsides; globalist backed Antifa chapters do nothing but make life a slight inconvenience for people.

Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a book by Jonah Goldberg, in which Goldberg argues that fascist movements were and are left-wing. Published in January 2008, it reached #1 on the New York Times Best Seller list of hardcover non-fiction in its seventh week on the list.[1] Goldberg is a syndicated columnist and the editor-at-large of National Review Online.

organized mentally ill people are a threat

>huge centralized dictatorships
>no rights for individuals
>kill millions people

Why do fascists and communists hate each other again?

oh no no of course not, hitler waz a gud boi he dindu nuffin, i mean its not like he restricted everyones freedom and had very high taxe-

That can be true, if they fall for the racism of low expectations or racism against white s.

>we're not nazis. Nazis are the ultimate evil so the ends justifies the means

And then they'll say that you want to shoah everyone that's not an old straight white male Christian. Youre not gonna reason them out of their beliefs.

The pretense of rationality and an insistence on well thought out arguments among libertarians and the new right is honestly a fundamental weakness that's a byproduct of whites being cucked out of an ability to truly root for their team. Your ancestors started armed rebellions whenever they got trampled on. The left uses the law when it suits them and breaks the law when it doesn't, because doing so is effective. An insistence on playing by the rules is strictly a post 60s conservative thing, and as much as it pains me to say it it's fucking pathetic. Determination and force of will are far more effective than intellectualism and logic, it's just the way it is.

Antifa is fascism for empty headed boomers and Ben Shapiro fans .

so much jew jewery in that post

No. See

Le horseshoe theory strikes again!

>i mean its not like he restricted everyones freedom and had very high taxe
Are you fucking retarded?

Because communism was a jewish invention that was made by madness and does not believe in individualism, race, and promotes violence and class warfare, while Fascism was created as a backlash against communism that valued culture and tradition for the people above all else. Damn fucking boomers flooding this board.

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Antifa is a communist organization you doorknob.

They aren’t fascists because they don’t want there to be private businesses, which fascism does allow. They’re hardcore Maoists if anything

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Fashionable clothing from recognizable companies were used as propoganda tools in fascism. Wearing Hugo boss in a communism society if you were not in the upper level of the party would get you shot

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Just why ppo shit

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probably not but you're clearly out of your depth if you equate them to national socialists so I strongly suggest you start looking into revisionist material

Of course they are fascist. The most ironic part of all of it is that communism was also fascist. They pretend like it isn't because "muh ideology", but in reality, it is forced just like any bad meme.

wow great arguments!
tf you gonna post at me fgt?

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it's a nice meme but still not an argument

Expectations for some races should be low.
Wow. You sure showed me.
Seriously, this is getting old. Do some reading on the matter. NOT Dinesh D'Pooza.

They are communists and anarchists, same people the SA and the nazi party would fight in the streets in the 1920s.

Lol yup, Fox News level shit

definitions aren't exactly things to argue about
fascism is collectivism, and collectivism is fascism
that's in the fucking names, ffs
no amount of
>n-n-n-not true fascism
is gonna change that

>NOT Dinesh D'Pooza
First off, kek. Secondly, FUCKING THIS. All boomers and ancap autists who believe in 'liberal fascism' or 'fascist communism' (WTF?) are only excusing communism for its crimes and only giving more credence to the leftist dialect. You're not helping if you keep calling legitimate communism fascism.

Unironically kill yourself

Fpbp

Oh OK. So collectivism is all fascism. Got it. So I guess communism is fascism, and families is fascism, forming groups is fascism. If you think about, everything is fascism which I guess means that communism never existed to begin with, it was all just more fascism even when fascism didn't exist.

100% Boomer posting

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The fasces represent the classes working together, not a bunch of no-skilled drug addicts.

donc la sécu est fasciste?

It's clear that none of you know what fascism is
Also everyone 40+ can leave e this website now
This, boomers also have a tendency to abuse white women (mostly their daughters)

Both are technically authoritarian, which is why pseudo-intellectuals scream "HORSESHOE THEORY", but that is literally the only actual common theme.

Fascism/Ultranationalism/Etc.
>anti-materialist, not dogmatic on economic policy
>supports maintenance of tradition
>rejects class politics and attempts to unite everyone within a geographical location based upon common elements (language, religion, culture, tradition and history)
>inherently anti-globalist

Communism:
>materialism is the main focus of the ideology/system, centered around who controls the economic power, dogmatically pursues this goal by destroying things that stand in the way
>rejects tradition, stands in the way of a utopian future based on egalitarianism, destroys that trdition and culture because it stands in the way of making everyone equal economically
>explicitly focuses heavily on class politics and attempts to achieve unity by killing everyone who is a statistical outlier (Kulaks, counter-revolutionaries, anyone who is successful)
>inherently globalist, endorses policies like "proletarian internationalism" and a (eventual) stateless nationless world order

and now compare to Capitalism:

>materialism is the main focus of the ideology/system, centered around who controls the economic power, dogmatically pursues this by destroying things that stand in the way
>rejects tradition: stands in the way of greater profits for it's citizens, destroys that culture and tradition to open up new markets to sell shit
>implicitly supports class politics, allows the economically powerful to pit the middle class and small business owners against the working class poor by saying that they're going to take all of their shit
>inherently globalist, inevitable profit-seeking behavior eventually leads capitalists to seek cheaper foreign labour in the form of immigration or shipping labour overseas

Commies and capitalists have more in common.

Can I get a quick rundown on the fascist doctrine?

Oh, but its very first point is inherently wrong given the makeup of AntiFa.

You can act like critiquing privilege w.r.t. race is hating a race, but it isn't, sorry. There's your disproof.

>only excusing communism
that's only natural seeing as most boomers are neocons, ie trotskyists, ie commies

communism is fascist, yes
democracy also is
>forming groups is fascism
depends on the value you give the group compared to the value you give to its constituents

retarded
the fasces originally was the symbol of Roman lictors
its handle represented the state being more important than the individuals it ruled over
its blade (which later disappeared, btw) represented the power to punish

être obligé de contribuer à cette singerie mongolienne et catastrophique (et dont le monopole est illégal) l'est, oui

>communism is fascist, yes
>democracy also is
>>forming groups is fascism
>depends on the value you give the group compared to the value you give to its constituents

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facism is an ideology you fuck wit
its not a behaviour
>facists promote trad values
>antifa promotes promiscuous sex and degeneracy

there literally total opposites

>w.r.t.
wtf
>only ancap isn't fascist
wew lad

both communism and democracy always value the group more than the individuals it's made of
that's the sheer definition of fascism, whichever self-serving and dishonest faggotry you're gonna salt it with

individualists are the only kind of actual anti-fascists, by definition

>collectivism is fascism
collectivism is human nature , humans have evolved in groups

>both communism and democracy always value the group more than the individuals it's made of

>all collectivism is fascism

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the existence of groups doesn't mean they matter more than what they're made of
groups of hive insects matter more than the insects they're made of
groups of Humans worthy of this name matter less than the individuals they're made of

>definitions are not pleasant
doesn't change shit

Its handle represented the state being more important, or having control?The individual cannot exist without his people. You can't separate yourself from your history nor community.

Why are people so retarded on the definition of Fascism, political violence has existed ever since there was politics, putting it all in the fascism box like some know-it-all highschooler really gives Fascism too much credit when Anarchists/Communism predate Fascism and have always been violent as well.

Nazis don't. They just hate commies, who are Antifa and Israel.

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>Its handle represented the state being more important, or having control?
the control part is the blade, not the handle
anyway, it's such a peripheral notion to the symbol that it later disappeared from the fasces held by the original lictors
you don't even need to be controlled when individualism has no value anyway

>You can't separate yourself from your history nor community.
didn't say I considered myself an island
what I claim is I, not being a fascist, value individuals more than the group
which I deem the best option, seeing as valuing the group more ends up lowering the potential of individuals, debasing them, and seeing as you can't have a great group without great individuals
that which is why fascism always fails

I suppose I don't really disagree with the last point, but the demands of the society determine what makes an individual great. Or at least they should, otherwise "great" individuals become so by damaging the community they're from. Fascism is about stopping this from happening.
>fascism failing
I guess we could go over every example and I could five explanations/excuses for each one. Tbh tho senpai, that doesn't interest me at all, and we might find ourselves agreeing over economics more often than you might guess.

I guess, given the choice to shoah/gulag Henry Ford or Greg Lansky, which do you choose, if either?

This is really the bottom line of the argument. Hi post too soon. Sorry for multiposting.

>Fascism is about stopping this from happening.
except that doesn't work
well, not among Humans
again, I'm readily accepting that for hive insects, fascism kicks ass
now you can't prevent Humans from trying to become what they want to become
to end up with great individuals on one hand, you gotta accept that others are gonna chop their dicks off
I'm all for ostracizing the latter abominations, mind you
but it's not like they're gonna produce much greatness if you prevent them from doing so anyway

>we might find ourselves agreeing over economics more often than you might guess
nah, I guess that already
like my predecessors have done, I'd also choose Pinochet over allende
both were shit
both were authoritarian (which I may have a problem with more due to the method than to the reasons, in Pinochet's case)
but one at least saw a few problems in destroying wealth

>doesn't change shit
Exactly, you frenchtard. Fascism != collectivism or communism. wtf? If you're a lolbertarian, that counts as a collective movement since i requires the same thought and action towards your goal. Welcome to the fascist train, bro.

>shoah/gulag
that's a special one
the shoah gave us neocons
at least, in USSR, dem fucking trotskyists were sent to the gulag...

>Fascism != collectivism
nope
>or communism
it just is a particular subset of fascism/collectivism
ie communism inherently is fascist

>>shoah/gulag
I don't think you got the question

maybe it's you who didn't get the answer
if you want it with less tongue in cheek, see my answer to the Pinochet/allende question (spoiler: Pinochet, of course)

Maybe you can't prevent people from becoming what they want to become, but you absolutely can control what they want to become. Otherwise propaganda would be useless.
I think you missed the point here. Both of these are "great" individuals in a capitalistic sense. Both men created wealth, industry, and entire communities have sprung up around their work. The difference is in their externalities. Ford's work revolutionized industry, and well...the negative effects of porn are well known. I guess our basic disagreement is over whether you can get Ford without Lansky? Maybe we just disagree over the importance of economics in general?

would you gas Lansky or Ford?

It implies that fascism is bad.

You then just prove, by posting that, that you belong in the trash.
Wanting "freedom of speech" or "diversity in thought" is a subjectivist stance, it belongs in the bin too.
Violence is not always bad.

>you absolutely can control what they want to become
for those with actual potential for greatness, at best for the worst
that's the problem

>the negative effects of porn are well known
the commiefornian-like excesses of the Weimar republic didn't exactly disappear under the nazis
people are gonna be vicious, whether you want it or not (and the germans, always particularly disgustingly so)

anyway, my belief is the way to get the most Fords comes together with more lanskys
and that if you force the situation to get less lanskys, you'll get less Fords

morally, both, through social ostracizing (far worse for lansky, though)
otherwise, none

I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at in the first part. It seems obvious that men attempt to emulate their role models, and that controlling what their role models are affects how they behave and what they value.
I'm also not suggesting that we can be rid of degeneracy completely, ever. But it seems really important that degenerates not be seen as role models, for reasons I articulated above.
And given the effects of porn on young men, I think you might be objectively wrong. The number of Lanskys we generate as a civilization might well negatively impact the number of Fords
we get.

Never would have guessed when ok woke up this morning that I'd be defending the Ministry of Culture in some odd twist on a debate about whether or not antifa are the real fascists.

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>social ostracizing
lol

One ideology supports an authoritarian capitalist regime, while the other is generally antiauthoritarian and anticapitalist.

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I'm not so sure the guy ending up considering lansky as his role model exactly would have come up with the cure for cancer...
I already have troubles believing some people actually do pay for porn though

more efficient with freedom than without
try and be a baker refusing to make a fag cake for a fag "marriage" in oregon, for instance

>they both have totally inimical values but they dress in black and beat people up therefore they are EXACTLY the same

This is your brain on centrism

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These are but a few differences, there are certainly many more.

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Heh, fair enough. I don't think Lansky himself is the role model in that case though. The degenerates who do porn are.

>while the other is generally antiauthoritarian and anticapitalist.

supporting massive 3rd world immigration to destroy trade unions and over all fuck over the working class. Oh yea, you ANTIFAgs are the Kock Bros worst nightmare.

Get fucked Jew.

the reasoning still stands for the guy wanting to be lansky's bull dindu

Antifa logos on the façade of the HQ building of the K.P.D. (Communist Party of Germany).

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But Antifa means anti fascist. How do you explain that?

immigrants are working class too faggot

>They are communists and anarchists, same people the SA and the nazi party would fight in the streets in the 1920s.
Until the SA was replaced with the SS because Rommel wouldn't keep his people in line.

When you fucking faggots realize that all your actions are pre-determined by your genes, including your political views and the way your process experiences, then you'll come to the understanding that your system is self-defeating when you fill your country full of people who are genetically predisposed to want security over freedom, especially when you consider the fact that those people are often low-IQ and more violent, and breed rapidly.

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That is the same building used by 'Die Linke' right now.

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Read it yourself you lazy fucker
sjsu.edu/people/james.lindahl/courses/Hum2B/s2/Mussolini-on-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

Well to be honest, Lansky here is just a stand in for the porn industry in general. I just couldn't remember the name of the new who first got the relevant decency laws overturned to start producing porn, and when I tried to look it up on the Google I kept getting porn results, so I gave up.

Wrong they're the people who will gladly work for nothing. Because they came from nothing, and while they work for nothing they'll exploit various social programs raising taxes and over all being a drag on the state.
They're parasites.

The only difference between the confederacy and the Democrats plan here is that they'll have government subsidized housing, and EBT cards instead of shacks, and Chitterlings.

And no that is not a "dems are the real racists type thing"

tfw have superior nazi genes

are you trying to say antifa is /based/?

Immigrants are just international scabs.