We have already exited the peak of the modern warm period. Not even as warm as the previous warming periods. After every warming peak, there is a drop to a trough into a minimum. These cycles are caused by solar cycles and completely unaffected by any human behavior short of a nuclear war.
During the warming periods civilizations grow, expand, Renaissances occur and are relatively peaceful. During cooling periods civilizations collapse world wide. Cooling and increased cloud cover cause extreme droughts in some areas, floods in others and generally magnifies the power of storms. There is a decrease in arable land which leads to famine. Famine leads to mass migration. Mass migration leads to the spread of disease and war. This is what a dark age looks like.
Modelling predicts we have already passed the modern warming peak and will be descending into a new minimum. There is nothinng that can stop this. If we knew by 2025 we would be entering a minimum we could be entering a new ice age we would have been preparing with stockpiled food and predicting areas that will become stable for growing new food during the minimum. Instead we were preparing for a warming period which will leave the world completely unprepared and ensure the maximum possible damage will result.
Paleo climatolgists and solar physicists both model an impending minimum which has always resulted in an ice age which often times results in a complete dark age and always results in a world wide drop in population. Russian scientists based on the fact this minimum is a grand solar minimum predict this will be an ice age lasting 50 years or more.
During a solar minimum the magnetic field of the sun decreases. The magnetic field typically acts as a power magnet attracting the charged particles of cosmic rays to the sun, during this decreased time more charged particles bombard the earth. This ionizes the earths atmosphere causing more aerosol formation, these serve as cloud nuclei "growing" far more clouds. This increase in clouds makes storms bigger, stronger and increases rain/snow when those storms hit. This also reflects more sunlight back into space keeping a cooling period longer.
This effect will be exaggerated by the current trend of a weakening magnetic field on earth that typically serves to protect us from excess cosmic rays.
"Previously, researchers estimated the field was weakening about 5 percent per century, but the new data revealed the field is actually weakening at 5 percent per decade, or 10 times faster than thought. As such, rather than the full flip occurring in about 2,000 years, as was predicted, the new data suggest it could happen sooner."
This could result in a magnetic pole reversal. In effect imagine the earth has a shield around it, during the reversal those shields will be down at the exact time we are under bombardment.
Blake Adams
This has been predicted by the forces behind the global warming/green energy push. (((They))) have been preparing for this. Countries that depend on imported food will collapse and lose most of their population to famine and the rest will flee to the countries who do not collapse. Africa will suffer perhaps the worst and will flood the rest of the world with refugees.
Human population decline always happens in sudden spurts, massive drops. The world has already been divided up into zones, and only 4 of them will survive.
OI m8, do you have a license for all that hot air flying out your ass? Like in , "during the reversal those shields will be down at the exact time we are under bombardment." The hell do you pull that from. The very article you linked says that isn't true. Why would the flip suddenly just turn off the "shield." That's not how it works. Some electronics might get messed up in a small scale at worst. Maybe it'll finally cause this country to improve its grid, other than that not much else.
Also what the hell are these zones? Those are the most ridiculous arbitrary divisions I have ever seen.
Jason Peterson
>Why would the flip suddenly just turn off the "shield." Its a simplified analogy for idiots. The electromagnetic field would be weaker, this is also by far the least unimportant piece of information I linked above and we would be fucked even if we didnt have a pole reversal and even if we didnt have a weakening electromagnetic field.
Actually making me realize the shills actually spam the threads they want to keep on the front page, so if shills are shilling a thread its probably something they want you to see to hide something they dont.
Spam posts done hourly im starting to suspect are just done by shills SeeSeeSeeSeeSeeSeeDozens of times a day, taking up the entire front page to bury actually useful conversations.
Noah Powell
Seems to be the case.
Every fucking day, same shit non-stop.
If it is not shill theme it gets no traction.
Ryder Scott
>ice age lasting 50 years or more What about ice age lasting 50k years or more? The last one did that ended some 12k years ago lasted even longer. We are living in a one of the brief interglacial periods.
>Implying Greenland temperatures indicate global ones >"European Dark Age" >15th and 16th century were periods of stagnation compared to the glorious age of advancement that was the viking age
OP's pic is too retarded to take seriously, thread discredited.
Juan Morales
These charts make me cringe so hard
Adam Wright
Very interesting OP! Thanks for some good reading! Feel free to post more about Club of Rome, and more information about this topic if you got any good links.
Jayden Roberts
These are mini ice ages, technically we never really left the ice age. Its an ice age if there is ice at the poles. Having ice at the polar caps is not normal for the lifespan of the earth. Infact there was never ice at the poles until about 33 million years ago when, almost overnight in geological terms the earth cooled and ice formed at the caps. During the vast majority of the time life existed on earth, 99% of the time, ice was not at the poles. During the times with the greatest biodiversity, densest amount of biomass, the ice caps did not exist.
Shows the enormous pushback any research/studies get from the scientific community that dont support global warming. Explains in detail the processes, data and science supporting the cooling that will occur during the Minimum, which we already are descending into.
By 2019 or 2025 at the latest, there will be no choice but for the world scientific community to admit we are cooling as arable land will be reduced.
Christopher Martin
>glorious age of advancement that was the viking age It was an age of recovery after the worst cold phase in recorded human history that resulted in the destruction of the entire classical world and lay the foundation for the rise of european nations.
th and 16th century were periods of stagnation Look at when the cooling occurred. 1300s, what happened then? The black death? What was the result? The loss of 60% of europes population. Yeah id say that was a pretty fucking bad time for the world.
Camden Nelson
You made a lot of good points in this post, thanks. Very well thought out and well researched rebuttals.
Under the video, links to all his data are provided.
Aiden Ramirez
Excuse me, but what the fuck are you saying happened to the "entire classical world" Are you kidding about the black death? That happened far before the "little ice age."
Jace Brooks
Thanks and have another bump.
Nolan Price
Have you heard of the Dark Ages? Do you know what happened to the classical world during that time?
Josiah Morgan
That fact that you use the phrase "dark ages" indicates you have no idea what you are talking about. Also that you think this affected the "classical world" indicates you have no idea what the classical world is either.
Leo Williams
>Are you kidding about the black death? Reread the graph, this occurred during a minimum. The bottom of the little ice age coincided with the Maunder minimum (1672–1699). You know, when 1/3 of finland, 1/5 of estonia of died? When millions died of famine in france? When hundreds of thousands died in Sweden? In countries with populations nothing close to modern day numbers this was HUGE chunks of the population.
Yeah it was a fucking paradise during the Maunder user, you're right.
Jesus christ user. Do you want me to explain what the roman empire is to you? DO you want me to explain the period after the collapse of the roman empire is considered the dark ages by the vast majority of people? Do you want me to explain how fucking shitty Europe and the entire Mediterranean in the early 300-500AD period and how it continually got worse and worse as vast plagues, famines, migrations of visigoths, vandals and huns ravaged the land, the Umayaad Caliphate and raiding vikings enslave like a quarter of europe?
Do you have a point you are trying to make? Also thanks for the bumps.
Grayson Rodriguez
I'm sure famine and sunspot number correlations are all just a coincidence.
What does any of this have to do with your claim that, a disease which spread across Eurasia and killed millions, originated from a cooling period in the future?
Sounds like you need someone to tell you about the notion of there having been "dark ages" is largely bullshit. Maybe you need to read about things such as the Carolingian Renaissance. Moreover, YOU'RE the one trying to assert some grand cyclical cycle of European civilization tied to the Sun. No one is scratching their head wondering what happened to the western Roman empire, you're the one trying to shove your ideas behind preexisting explanations. >Umayaad Caliphate and raiding vikings enslave like a quarter of europe? Jesus Christ you don't even know what you're talking about. Are you seriously trying to tie vikings to the fall of Rome? And in what way was the Umayyad Caliphate a regression in European civilization?
OP is a faggot. Trump is completing the system of German idealism.
I believe in global cooling. The cooling of the earth. The sea levels lowering and land raising from the bottom of the ocean with ruins on it. Like the ruins of Thule. I believe that Trump is going to raise Thule. AND ATLANTIS.
>What does any of this have to do with your claim that, a disease which spread across Eurasia and killed millions Read the graphs. The plagues occurred during the solar minimums and directly after. Do you know what made these plagues bad? They spread far and fast. Do you know why the spread? People carried them. Mass human migration is the reason the plagues did the damage they diid to the geographic area they did. Do you know why people were mgirating? Everyone was farmers and they couldn't grow food in the places they were growing food before.
>Sounds like you need someone to tell you about the notion of there having been "dark ages" is largely bullshit Oh wow you're some contrarian, refusing to use to widely accepted terms used to describe periods of lawlessness. You sound really smart.
You know during the roman empire you could walk from England to the nile speaking the same language and using the same coin? The roads were safe? That people had abudant food? You know during the time after the fall it resulted in massive massive war/plague/famine/lawlessness and a breakdown of society as a whole over vast swaths of areas? Oh but go on, continue telling me how 300AD-1200AD wasnt that bad and was actually pretty nice.
>Maybe you need to read about things such as the Carolingian Renaissance Oh yeah you mean when trade basically had ceased to exist and people degenerated to subsistence farming and western civilization barely survived so lets call it a renaissance? Yeah what about it?
>YOU'RE the one trying to assert some grand cyclical cycle of European civilization tied to the Sun Refute any of the scientific information I've given you. There is loads of it. You know it was actually DARKER during the dark ages because during minimums there is an increase in cloud cover? Watch some of the videos, it will walk you through it.
Andrew Campbell
Lol!!
Jeremiah Ward
>Jesus Christ you don't even know what you're talking about. Are you seriously trying to tie vikings to the fall of Rome? Are you retarded? Is the time period normally referred to as the dark ages also the time of the viking expansion and Muslim conquests? > And in what way was the Umayyad Caliphate a regression in European civilization? youtu.be/Im0IisZ77QI The booming trade that had marked the Mediterranean for centuries ended completely. European lifestyle radically changed and moved from the previous open communities to fortified castles and well over a MILLION europeans were enslaved by the Caliphate and the rest were forced to live in small fortified communities or completely withdraw from coastlines. The diverse trade of food, fabrics, spices, metals, crafts and knowledge under the romans was marked by the replacement of one trade under the Caliphate, the slave trade. yeah I would say it was a pretty bad time for Europeans. How can you be so ignorant?
Kevin Watson
cold>hot
cold always wins. heat is temporary, cold is forever. when heat death occurs there will only be "cold" or absolute zero
Robert Torres
Well for life on this planet, warm weather is generally much much better. More CO2 is generally much much better. Less ice means more freshwater, more rain.
Chase Miller
>Read the graphs.
Your graphs concern Greenland specifically. You seem to be intentionally avoiding actual data about Europe in general and especially the world. Also, there were also no great migrations occurring during the spread of the black death, it spread more by the travel of people engaged in commerce and whatnot. Or are you suggesting there is some (((suppression))) keeping the TRUTH hidden that the black death was spread by thousands of Arabs fleeing to Italy, then Italians fleeing intro central and western Europe, etc, but no one wanted to flee to Poland?
>Oh wow you're some contrarian, refusing to use to widely accepted terms used to describe periods of lawlessness. You sound really smart. Says the guy trying to say vikings enslaved a quarter of Europe, kek
>You know during the roman empire you could walk from England to the nile speaking the same language and using the same coin? not true >The roads were safe? meme claim, a posit that provides no data or comparison, something you see claimed about every polity >That people had abudant food? I wonder if you even know where the food came from >You know during the time after the fall it resulted in massive massive war/plague/famine/lawlessness and a breakdown of society as a whole over vast swaths of areas? Oh but go on, continue telling me how 300AD-1200AD wasnt that bad and was actually pretty nice. You clearly know nothing about life in the Carolingian Empire (or rome, for that matter), if you can't even be bothered to educate yourself about the subject then there is no point in discussing it, you've clearly decided to believe in memes
Landon King
last bump
Bentley Cooper
>Are you retarded? Is the time period normally referred to as the dark ages also the time of the viking expansion and Muslim conquests? "Vikings" didn't exist until centuries after the Western Roman empire was gone. The Muslim conquests barely touched Europe in this time period, and were much more of a threat to the Eastern Roman Empire which would continue to exist well past your "dark ages." Muslim conquests reached their peak well after as well, and were much more of an existential threat. Muslim slaving of Europeans would also peak centuries later. This is a non-issue, the only European islamic powers in this time period were relatively benign and lame, the caliphate of cordoba didn't do shit compared to the Ottomans.
>The booming trade that had marked the Mediterranean for centuries ended completely. European lifestyle radically changed and moved from the previous open communities to fortified castles and well over a MILLION europeans were enslaved by the Caliphate and the rest were forced to live in small fortified communities or completely withdraw from coastlines. The diverse trade of food, fabrics, spices, metals, crafts and knowledge under the romans was marked by the replacement of one trade under the Caliphate, the slave trade. yeah I would say it was a pretty bad time for Europeans. How can you be so ignorant? Do you know what the Ottomans are? What they did? What the Mongols did? Their successors such as the Golden Horde? What the barbary pirates did? Are you seriously so myopic that you think Muslim aggression in Europe peaked during the Middle ages?
Hunter Wilson
Your second video is misinformation and lies. They confuse 'Greenland' for 'global'.
Besides the fact that if, by his suggestion, this is natural then what are the natural forces which are driving this climate?
Luis Jackson
Gonna make a coon skin hat for the coming fimbulvinter. Praise Winter-chan!
Gabriel Russell
The first video is also easily debunked. Cosmic rays has very very little to do with climate.
