Was ww2 really like this Sup Forums Did the amerimuts really do so little?

Was ww2 really like this Sup Forums Did the amerimuts really do so little?

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Nah, this is how it really is

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What they teach about WW 2 in American public schools has ALWAYS been a crock of shit.

I do know one thing. The entire DoD and intel community is convinced it was Infosec and propaganda that won.

If you honestly think the US or UK didn't pull their weight in the war you've got another thing coming
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>surrendering sniveling pussies are convinced we didnt win them the war.

Sad!

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the US basically came in late and planted a flag on Iwo Jima (did you know because they didn't get a good shot of it the media asked them to do it again and the soldiers pictured are actually recreating what had already happened)

you nuked Japan and gave birth to anime, that was your contribution
thank you

"On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."

-Boris Vadimovich Sokolov

Hitler and Japan win if the US stays (totally) neutral, it's that simple.

no, dinosaurs were extinct by 1939

I know a Russian immigrant whose father fought in WW2, he said if it were up to him he'd make a giant monument to Spam in the middle of Stalingrad because when they finally got American supplies they had been reduced to eating rats and worse. He said the Americans provided the means to fight, nearly every bullet, every can of food, every truck. Lend-Lease funded the entire war effort for the Allies, Soviet, Britain, whatever. On top of that, the Marshall Plan rebuilt western Europe and they still have the gall to be indignant to Americans saying we didn't pull our weight in the war.

I'm inclined to believe our role in WWII was small, but all of the online posters from the losing side are butthurt towards us over WWII, which contradicts that claim.

>poland part of the nazi regime
what did OP mean by this?

They did nazi it coming.

we had a teacher say that we joined world war two to defend the jews. i don't know if it was the most bluepilled or redpilled thing i've ever heard

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The Americans probably shortened the war by about 5-6 years, if the US didn't get involved in Europe they would have still been fighting in 1950 and it would have been a shitload worse for all of Europe.

I just love the fact that we could export all our kikes to Sweden and still be considered heroes.
How's that multicultural feminist utopia doing my friend?

U.S. contribution was decisive and major from the very moment of entry. By 1942, at least half of German military spending was focused on areas where they specifically would have to fight the West in, such as AA defenses, and by 1943 the overwhelming majority of the Wehrmacht, including nearly half of the Panzer Divisions, were already in the West. By 1944, over 50% of said Divisions were now in the West.

In early 1942, the Finns elected to not attack the important Murmansk Railway due to American diplomatic pressure. Operation Torch later in the year forced Hitler to divert forces from Operation Winter Storm, the relief attempt of Stalingrad. In 1943, Kursk was ended despite the great successes of II SS Panzer due to the need to counter Operation Husky. In 1944, when the Soviets launched their most famous offensive of Bagration, Army Group Center had been stripped of tanks (Sent to France), fighter cover (Sent to the Reich for homeland defense) and artillery ammunition (General shortages existed due to the need to defend the Reich with AA).

Not even getting into the Lend Lease issue alone proves the value of the American contribution to the War. Further, a review of the casualty counts will reveal the Anglo-Americans inflicted more than the Soviets; Pro-Soviets only cite the KIA, instead of both the captured AND WIA counts, which find the West was doing just as much if not more than the Soviets, in a far more humane fashion.

Japan was not a tiny dino. They had conquered all of the major chunks of Eastern Asia and practically all SE Asia and the Pacific islands. It was hard as hell to beat them in that arena. Soviet fuckers were nowhere to be seen at Iwo Jima.

lmao

>did you know because they didn't get a good shot of it the media asked them to do it again and the soldiers pictured are actually recreating what had already happened)

Did you know that all of those photos were damaged and completely unusable and the classic one that everyone knows was the original the photographers actually wanted to throw away.

now make those little dinosaurs without claws, teeth, eyes, or tough skin then show the U.S. dino arming/feeding/giving them eyes/armor with U.S. dinosaurs thrown in with the rest to account for the 300,000 who died fighting Germany and the millions who helped and didn't die
faggot

Post the non poofter version dottard

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It would be hard to suggest that Germany could have undergone full invasion of Britain. At the same time, there's no way Britain could have invaded main land Europe without US help (with the US they managed out of sheer luck if you know the story). Sure, if Germany kept bombing going for years whole slowly building up after taking France, Russia, and the rest of Europe, but that in itself is a huge stretch.

thats not really cool danebro

Powerful

Britain unironically did more in WW2 than America, and we still only contributed the 3rd most out of the Allies (behind the Soviets and China, just because of the sheer amount they bled)
>only country in it from day 1 and not overrun
>major participant in every theatre, like America but under more strenuous circumstances
And all for what? A dead and decaying country.

I cry about those brave forgotten boys who died for nothing.

Japan was tiny where it counted, though. I'm talking of course about technology, lad.

The Ruskies did the heavy lifting against the Germans. I wouldn't discount the effect of the lend lease act to help the Brits and Ruskies get their military industrial complex going. And it was the Normandy invasion that turned the war into a war on two fronts and effectively made the war unwinnable for the Germans. Still the Ruskies inflicted about 80% of the German casualties and in the process took much higher losses than the United States or England did.

We also took out the Japanese with a little assistance from the Aussies, Kiwis, Chinks and native islanders, which was not a trivial accomplishment.

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In all honesty, the war in Europe would have ended without the USA. It would have taken a few years longer and ended with a lot more Russian domination of Europe. UK, France would get stronger. Everyone else would have been shit out of luck.

The USA definitely helped ensure a quicker victory.

The Pacific front was basically just America's war anyway, nobody other than the Japs and America gave a fuck. Maybe China.

War is actually just for keeping up morale, the most important decisions are made somewhat more in the background, T.B.H.

Fortunately for everyone alive today, we will get to see how WW3 plays out without our involvement.

Cant wait. Comfy as fuck over here famalam.

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Why were Germans so dumb to take on 500 raptors and 2 t-rexes?

Except no. Germany's Western Front had priority over the Eastern Front for a total of ten days form 1941 to 1945, namely June 10 to June 20, 1944. The Russian Front had priority for men, equipment, material, and supplies for more than 1,000 days and the French front for ten.

Side note, the Balkan/Yugoslav front is actually fascinating and not really studied as much as it should be. They mostly liberated themselves with a bit of help from the Ruskies, but not enough help that they were ever in debt to them. They did benefit from Germany having to scale back near the end but then again everyone else benefited from them distracting Hitler for a few months at the beginning.

Most people I've met think we intervened in WWII because of the Holocaust.

The USSR took on a whole front against the Nazis (with some American help of course) and arguably won the war in Asia, Japan could still go on with the nukes dropped, they didn't stop when 75% of the country was razed to the ground, only when the Commies took Japanese controlled Manchuria and what's today North Korea, where most of the Japanese raw material and weapon manufacturing happened was when Japan had no choice but to surrender.

That's a fantastic webm, thanks

Ruskies did most of the job by simply distracting the Nazis in the east giving US time to pile in at the end to retake Italy and France to eventually pile into Germany.

So I'd say equally Russia and US did major parts in the war. Japan was Axis power and needed to be stopped as well and if it wasn't for the US dropping nukes fucking Nips would have gone on forever.

Except the historical record doesn't back that up at all; according to Glantz, in 1942 the Wehrmacht had about 2.4 Million personnel within occupied Soviet territory. Total force size at the time was around 11 Million, so that means that even at the height of the Eastern Front, the overwhelming majority of the Wehrmacht was elsewhere. You can also check for yourself how the Panzer Divisions were being deployed from 1943 and 1944 on too; in November of 1943, Hitler directly declared the Western Front held priority.

Glad you enjoyed it, I've always thought it was pretty interesting. Particularly how quickly things go to shit for the allies during the blitzkreig and how quickly things fall apart for the Germans at the end of the war.

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Fucking Switzerland. Every time.

what's the sauce on the webm?

It's not ignorance but programming -- people are made to believe this and then it's used to justify every American military intervention everywhere.

I'm afraid I don't know. I got it from /k/

The Soviet offensive into Manchuria had collapsed by the time of the Japanese surrender; 6th Guards Tank Army had ran out of fuel and it wasn't until the 21st of August that scouting elements were even able to reach their targets. The Kwantung Army was still intact and savagely fighting throughout the region, and was preparing plans to stage a fighting withdrawal into Korea in order to utilize the existing fortifications there.

The claim of the value of North Korea falls completely flat when one reviews the fact that Japan is an island far away from it, and that the U.S. Navy had completely cut off shipping by the time of the surrender. The U.S. Army Air Force, meanwhile, was in the process of collapsing their internal transportation network and it was predicted by both sides that collapse of the food supply was imminent, which would mean mass starvation that Winter.

Finally, Japan had already begun seeking terms for months prior to the Soviet attack. Initial communication difficulties explain the delay in the surrender following the Atomic bombings, but once it become clear what had happened, surrender quickly followed; there's a reason Hirohito directly mentioned it in his address to the nation.

By that token the Germans only finally surrendered when the Americans arrived, many hauled ass to go west to surrender to us yanks instead of face Soviet repercussions.

Had the American front not been there they’d probably fought until every last inch of German land was taken by force.

EmperorTigerStar
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I'm reading Cryptonomicon, it takes place mostly around Manila, got me interested in the Asiatic half of the war. No shit last night my dad came over and we found out what a certain badge was that his dad had brought home from the war. He's got a bullet they pulled from his dad's leg hanging off one of these medals, we're thinking he killed the guy who shot him lol.

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>shitload worse for all of Europe.
It can't be worse than their current condition
Imagine:
>No Muslim or African Refugees
>Politically Conservative
>No faggots
>Possible imigration to US instead of beaners, nigs, poos, and Muslims.

Some retard on youtube that makes inaccurate charts on paint

dont give up yet faggot

Neat, my grandfather and his father were both on the western front. He was an artillery air observer and his father was a General both in the 3rd army.

I inherited their medals, their sidearms and a bunch of Nazi war trophies.

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I was taught that. For a long time i thought America went to war with germany over the holocaust. We also barely learned about wwi or how germany became nazi germany. I used to have a really weird view of nazis, like they were juat inherently evil people who were born evil and wanted nothing but dead jews. It wasnt until i was older that i started to realize they were just normal people.

checked and keked!

>making japan a small raptor
>bring proud of throwing millions to the slaughter

>being
>cant spell check

Russia did most of the heavy lifting during WW2.

we did infinitely more than you

>we

You didn’t do fucking shit kid

Honestly I fault Glantz among others for helping to propagate the Pro-RKKA narratives that are so common even here.

>"I'm going to blame you with everything bad your country has ever done but give you no credit for everything good it has done"
you're what we call a "nigger"

It doesn't accuratley reflect the number if Russians killed they got fucked up.

No, he's right.
Just suck it up and stop being a chimp.
You never claimed a single island or inch of territory from the nips because you were too busy sitting around with your thumb up your asses. If it hadn't been for Guadalcanal, you'd have the nips breathing down Sydney's neck.

Yeah, the school system definitely present the Nazis to be comic book villains to the point that it becomes almost impossible to understand how anyone could have followed such an ideology.

I'm not a fan of socialism of any kind; but failing to explain why the German's followed Hitler, why they were anti semetic and why they were so fearful of communism makes the war into a nonsensical battle between good and evil.

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This is true.

much appreciated, thanks mate.

Lol the absolute state of modern American men
You fragile frail petunias are why the USA can’t win wars.
Why don’t you both just settle down and drink a shot glass of wheatgrass juice each

Americans should have stayed out of the European side. Focused on the Japs, then go to Europe. As soon as Germany surrenders wee should have left Europe. The Soviets would have taken over, but that wouldn't have been our problem.
Instead we foolishly helped ungrateful bastards for nothing in return.

aussies btfo by Turks and the Japs sooooo

These pictures actually go in order. The nazis were killing a shit load of russians and then america and britain came in and stabbed germany in the back. It was kind of like the end scene of scarface. Tony was nazi germany. All the people pouring into the house were the russians. Just getting mowed down like nothing. And then that sneaky bastard america snuck up behind nazi germany and shot him in the back.

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What does rice farmer and goat herder penis taste like?
I’m guessing from your attitude, salty

You sound and act like a trashy bogan degenerate with no knowledge of history.
I'm sure your grandfather was some kind of illiterate rapist who got sent to that wretched desert you call a country for the sake of preserving British dignity.

Except for the part where Hitler war on us for getting bombed by Japs for not trading with them till they signed a treaty promising not to attack us.
So Japan was the sneak and Germany was the asshole.
Still though, I agree with you. We shouldn't have gotten involved. We need to go back to our isolationist policies.

This is the type of hypersensitivity that losing wars thrives on.
Good to see you’re consistent

After pondering over your points and doing some more in depth research, I agree to the points you laid out, but I would like to see the sources for your first and second points.

this picture is a misrepresentation of what happened. No real historian argues that the russians had more deaths, caused more resources from the germans, and was directly invaded. This picture depicts that the russians put like 8x as many resources and men towards fighting the russians than the U.S. did, which is false. They put roughly double the men, and that's disputed. Americans had 16.1 million citizens serve. Russians have a disputed 34 million, which is a little more than double. This picture shows more accurately the amount of russians that died vs americans.

The Germans never had 11,000,000 men in uniform at the same time. You are citing figures that include Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, etc.

>gets war declared on them
"America shouldn't have gotten involved!!!!"

Eh, should have kept trading with the japs, make money, war lasts longer, we get to jew both sides more, claim neutrality.

Our roll prior to D-day was mostly selling rifles and tanks to the Chinese, Ironically Germany did this too before joining Japan in the Axis but they only sold pistols.
Russian cannon fodder did indeed do most of the work in defeating the Reich by raping and pillaging the Baltic states and ethnically cleansing Ukrainians before ultimately storming the Germany's capital, typical Russian tactics but it works.

>amerimutt education
Fucking cancer

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yeah but not trading with the japs doesn't mean we knew it was going to propel is into war via a sneak attack by the japs.

US did barely anything against the Germans. However we single-handedly beat the Japs, and supplied the Soviets with enough trucks to keep their logistical machine functioning.

what did you check?

America didn't want to get involved, Roosevelt did.

>amerimuts
I love that! It's like a portmanteau of "Americans" and "mutts", isn't it? Bravo!

Highest K/D ratio country reporting in

If your teacher meant the holohoax then yeah bluepilled. But if they meant funding for allies, then you should find your teacher and have a beer with them

Read a history book

You're not from Finland.

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Do any of these threads take into account the numerous American volunteers that fought under the various other armies long before the US officially got involved?

Based Finland is winland.

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Which specifically? The Manchurian Operation, which is what I assume you are referring to, has received a modern dissection here thanks to access to new Soviet materials:

diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:794584/FULLTEXT01.pdf

No, the Wehrmacht at it's peak (1944) had about 12 Million in uniform:

feldgrau.com/WW2-Germany-Statistics-and-Numbers

It’s a shame your grandfathers side lost the war. Don’t worry user the Reich will come soon enough

Only because we continued trading despite a war. We should have stopped trading with Germany, Russia, England, Japan, and all others involved once war broke out as was originally intended.
At the very least we should have left Europe after the war was over. The Soviets would have treated those ungrateful assholes how they deserve to be treated. Europeans are naturally subservient, us making them democratic and protecting them from the Soviets proved destructive.

The fall of a utopia...

We actually pulled off creating a western front, which is one of the most impressive military accomplishments in history. Everyone loves to say that "oh, but the Americans didn't gun down nearly as many Germans as the Russians, they did nothing!" While it's true the Russians did do more to defeat Germany than the western Allie's, the sheer challenge of pulling of a naval invasion is ridiculous. Not only do you have to land, but you have to supply an advance into the heart of Europe when all your equipment has to come from overseas. The Soviet Union at least had factories on the soil they were defending, which makes logistics much easier. Plus the US took down Japan while island hopping, which is one of the hardest forms of warfare.

You don't seem to be very familiar with WWII sidearms.

That's a US Army issue Colt M1911 (my grandfather's sidearm in WWII and Korea), a US Army issue Colt M1909 revolver (my great grandfather's sidearm in WWI), and a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless that my Great Grandfather carried as his officer's pistol during WWII.

Either that or you're making a backhanded comment about how the Jews and the commies won the war and everyone else got screwed in the long run.