Kiritsugu summons Karna in the 4th War. Everyone else is the same with Deermud being Saber

Kiritsugu summons Karna in the 4th War. Everyone else is the same with Deermud being Saber.
How does it go?

Gil uses Enkidu and wins.

Kiritsugu dies of mana drain.

Enkidu is an antagonistic effect that would be reduced 90% by the armor. It's said It even works against concepts.

Fuck that shit, what would happen if Kerry summoned EMIYA?

Honestly, what he fuck happened in that last episode, did A-1 just run out of money or what

Kiritsugu summons Karna
Kirei summons Arjuna

What makes you think so?The episode was packed with action.

No, it reduces damage by 90% not "being chained up" by 90%. He would be chained, flail around on fire like a burning chicken and get speared by Gils armory.

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EMIYA kills him for being the source of his poisonous, naive, self destructive ideals.

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They hate each other even more than Saber and Kerry did.

Archer probably then ignores the majority of Kerry's orders, because he knows that Kerry's not going to beleive that the Grail's fucked without some kind of evidence so he's gonna have to stop the fire some other way.

EMIYA plots to kill him, Kiri realizes this and the first half of the story is spent dealing with this along with the rest of the stuff from canon. EMIYA pampers Iri because she reminds him of Illya and realizes he and Kiri could work together to neutralize the grail and create a new life for them and Illya. They succeed and through magic mumbo-jumbo reset Illya's memories and make her grow up at a normal pace after the reset.
Make some excuses to have everything fit the timeline and you have the backstory to Prisma Illya.

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Still doesn't matter. As long as Gilgamesh exists there's no beating him. Unless you happen to be an autistic Japanese teenager who's just lost his virginity to a tsundere mage. Then he's fucked. Otherwise, Gilgamesh rapes Karna with ease. More so since Karna's divine so Enkidu is like Alcatraz for him. Then Ea, if needed, can end him.

Wrong Kiri will never belive the grail's corrupt because it's his only chance to fufil his dream unless the cold hard truth is rubbed in his face like what happened when he met Angry Manjew. Kerry can't fail because he knows anything
less than 100% success makes him just another blood soaked monster and his broken mind can't handle the thought which is why he was dropping into depression before the Einzbern rolled up with a free waifu and a shot at the grail.

He's not going to trust EMIYA any more than he did Saber and EMIYA's not going to like being around the source of his problems one bit so while he'll act to stop the grail he sure as fuck won't be helping Kiritsugu.

He'll be looking for a way to stop the grail without the fire that made 'Shirou Emiya' so he'll be picking off masters and servants when he can while bending whatever orders he's given as much as he can without breaking them just
to keep Kerry from interfeering .

>Emiya tries to kill Kerry
*uses command seal*

Are you serious? Stop being retarded.

look at this secondary faggot who don't even understand how shit works

Nobody summons Gilgamesh. What changes?

It's unlikely that EMIYA would go out of his way to kill Kerry - as shown in HF, he will put aside personal grudges if bigger threats are at stake, and unlike in the 5th HGW, he can't trust a Saber/Rin combo to smash through everything. Then there's the fact that he does still want to avoid a path of unnecessary bloodshed wher ehe can.

If anything, he's more likely to skirt around Kerry's orders, but rarely defy them in order to make sure he doesn't get hit by inconvenient CSs,

Scout out the other Masters, and try to control the War as much as able to make sure a Master/Servant paring with the arguable capability to destroy or reduce the effects of the Grail wins.

Assumes a scenario where EMIYA doesn't strike from a covert position, or that his Independent Action (which has been ststed to help resist a CS) eon't allow him to still power through.

Are you honestly saying there was no drop in quality in this episode when I'm literally showing you examples of such? Go back and watch it again if it helps.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the last two images, the first one looks a bit off but it' s literally less than a second after Astolfo appears.

Would meeting his son from the future convince Kiritsugu that the grail is evil?

He's 'independant action' will give him more than enough time also EMIYA will be able to strike Kerry before KErry reacts he's ot going to be summoned then spend weeks blatantly acting antagonistic tyo Kerry before he goes for it.

He'll play nice then attack when Kerry without warning if he decides it's needed to stop the grail and with Kiritsugu's deranged mind and distrustful 'Only i can do this' nature he'll become an threat at some point.

The grail is his last shot at avoiding being just another bloodsoaked zealot and he's a fanatic at his core. He won't belive the grails corrupt without hard evidence right before his eyes and he won't belive some random servant who walks upto him and say 'hi dad im your son from the future whom you adopted after you lost everything and dumped your ideals on btw the grails corrupt and you need to help me destroy it' Ofc Kerry would reject that any sane person would want proof and with Kiritsugu's mentality and life he'll trust VERY slowly even on the son part and he'd never belive his last hope is a monkeys paw.

Not initially - the best chance of that is from the mental connection that allows Master and Servant to dream about each other's past. And that's still unlikely, as the dreams appear to lack much explicit detail - the dreams certainly gave Rin no clue about the Grail.

EMIYA also has no reason to tell Kerry about his identity - if anything, it'll complicate things beyond the Servcant/Master relationship that he nromally tries to cultivate before his dere kicks in.

They lack details and take time.

Plus as you say the father/son thing would make thing more complicated even assuming Kerry belives it which is a huge stretch in itself due to his own nature he's nothing like Shirou trusting people and seeing the best in them like he did at the start of FS/N.

He's a broken man who trusts noone but himself to do whats needed. Iri took years to break down his barriers and Mayu is in the same boat.

they win

Kerry burns out if Karna goes all out because he'd need to be like Illya to handle a servant with that kind of power req.

Are you retarded? Iri is one who provides mana.

She's not like Illya when it comes to output either.

The big thing about her over previous Einzbern homunculi is how she's practically bursting with top tier circuits. Iri is an older model that doesn't have that like her daughter does.

The Kiri can chip in too. Hell Einsbergs can just sent more homunculi with them.
Not a problem or argument.

>EMIYA
>dere
He's a cold blooded killer

Yeah because adding multiple points of failure to a high power prana transfer isn't going to be more difficult than just getting a good servant that DOESNT need such a setup.

Did you even watched F/A?

What if Kerry summoned Arjuna?

They lose of course.

Karna doesn't hate anyone.

Why the fuck do you think Emiya would try to kill Kiritsugu?

No Kiritsugu no fire no Archer

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