Who started this idea that races are all a blank slate (except for physically observable traits)?
When was really brought into the mainstream?
I know it is intertwined with the idea that men and women are perfectly equal as well...but I want some hard facts, timelines if possible.
I am familiar with post modernism and cultural Marxism, but let's go deeper.
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Fuck off with your stupid question
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Why? It is a legitimate inquiry. This fairy tale doesn't make sense and I want to understand how it was accepted as common wisdom. Before these movements, people were aware of and openly talked about racial differences.
Now it is taboo.
As long as the fuckers from UCL haven't released their paper and we can sue the university, the study leader and Sup Forums every thread with a question or falling into the category "shill" should be ignored. Get over to another chan. Sup Forums is compromised
Also, are you implying that we cannot have an objective conversation because a Jew is a moderator?
I'm lost.
tl;dr
When Hiro took over Sup Forums he gave green light for shekel to use the the users without consent for market research and studies (not mentioned in TOS of Sup Forums). This was used by certain entities to test strategies to contain and counter "hate speech". Some users saw this and got in contact with specialised lawyers to find out if those responsible can be sued for this. The answer is yes. Hiro, the Mods and every entity, Hiro allowed to do this is with one food in jail, will loose their jobs and in the further will be doxed on other sites.
Ok, so you're saying that people who live in countries that have hate speech laws are at risk when they post. Looks like most users are ignoring it though.
No, you don't get it moron
The hate speech laws are irrelevant for this process. Relevant is, that most countries it is illegal to conduct market research and experiments on subjects (the users) without consent of the subjects if those doing the research are doing anything else then observations without being active. In addition the Sup Forums TOS doesn't mention the possibility of such research on users with any word. The site is fucked, Hiro is fucked and certain entities are fucked. Also some users were psychologically influenced by those studies, which opens the lane to sue them for assault, thanks to fefe laws by the left
This is retarded, even more retarded than what I thought you meant.
There is no reason why an honest discussion, as posted, cannot happen. People can decide what's true based on what is provided.
And screw you for ruining my thread, I just wanted some red pills.
we already have a case in the first stage with some German, Austrian and UK "scientist" who admitted in their paper to have posted threads for their research without informing the users. The subpoenas will be send in April and the universities have consented to work with us and expelled the responsible study leader
Since the late 18th century the philosophical groundwork for the legal and political equality of "Man" had been laid, but inherent temperamental differences between groups were still accepted as a matter of course (Locke's tabula rasa notwithstanding).
So in order to see race denialism itself start, you have to go to the late 19th century, to the foundations of the discipline of Anthropology under the authority of one Franz Boas, a very influential European-style socialist.
He had it in his head that people were highly plastic, moldable by their environment to the degree that racial differences could be erased by cultural changes. This may or may not have had something to do with him being a European-style socialist.
Also worth noting that one of Boas' students, Melville Herskovits, was the creator of the first African Studies department, despite not being African himself. European-style socialists tend to have a fondness for them.
All races are not equal. We all have different talents, different traits, different intellect, all tied to our race/biology. However this doesn't mean we should treat each other as separate animals, we atlas deserve the same rights as eachother. The problem nowadays is people want to be more equal than others and that's what's ducking everything.
Only blank in terms of experiences, our biology determines our predispositions towards behavior and other attributes, but experience wise we are all blank. Our actions and experiences in life shape who we can become atop our predispositions being the starting point.
Now you may protest, reasonably, that while Boasian anthropology was becoming quite popular in the early 20th century, at the same time physiognomy, eugenics, and other hereditarian beliefs were well-established and growing in popularity as well, and it is undeniably against this background context that Boas worked.
It was not until the end of World War II and the establishment of the Western negative foundation myth that blank slate-ism really was able to take hold of academic departments across the US and Europe. The United Nations issued several decrees about racism, each one more anti-racist than the last, until finally here we are:
The reason for this sudden change was of course the Holocaust, which regardless of its truth value gave European-style socialists the moral leverage they needed to push the race denialism they had been advocating for many decades already.
Yet now after being shook hard enough, they are starting to slowly debunk the garbage.
Racism is a natural constant for people to have, it is simply one's own self-preservation instinct and darwinistic behavior of desire for dominance to aid and abet the survival of one's own in group.
all dogs are dogs, ergo all dogs are equal
I have noted with some alacrity that the most vocal anti-hereditarian arguments have come from those with European-style socialist ancestry, with characteristic names such as Lewontin, Kamin, Marks, Sapolsky, and Gould. It really is quite remarkable that they push unscientific, even anti-scientific beliefs, which are being swept away by advances in medical and genetic technology.
This is the direction I hoped the thread could take, i'll look into it.
I know, the equalist doctrine is insane. This is exactly why I want to understand why and when this thought process started.
Can you explain this visual?
Enlightenment begat Hegel begat Marx begat Marxism begat Postmodernism.
Yes
Functional significance of genes with higher levels of population differentiation
bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com
Basically the genes that are most likely to be only found in one population (genes under high selection) are genes expressed in neural tissue, metabolism, and maturation (pituitary/hormonal).
Here is another study along the same lines, looking at the British people specifically:
I've read quite a bit about this stuff and I don't fully understand it. I'm realizing modern geneticists could decisively end this debate if they wished...but they don't want to be crucified for it.
>Who started this idea that races are all a blank slate (except for physically observable traits)?
jews
>When was really brought into the mainstream?
1900 they tried and failed, 1950 they had a boon from muh racist nazis and it resulted in the 1965 immigration act, again jews working with other jews.
>but I want some hard facts, timelines if possible.
jews and freemason lapdogs have been working on egalitarian theories since Locke. It just got way worse starting with Boas about a century ago.
I'm not very well informed on the time line specifics, but I will take and answer genetics questions.
Here's an essay related to criminology and a little shaking up they had 5 years ago. These jews and race-deniers still live in the world of the 70s where nature vs nurture was a debate (based on the lack of empirics), it hasn't been a debate for the last 30 years because the nature side irrecoverably BTFOd the nurture side forever. Our ancestors knew of heritability and took that information for granted, it's kind of gay how much time we've wasted combating freemasons on stuff that was already well understood.
>Races are all equal?
literally a jew lie.
yeah what happened with James Watson and Charles Murray does scare a lot of good people. They accept race as real and just don't talk about it, preferring the euphemism "population group".
>all races are equal
>”these guys were treated like shit ages ago; let’s let them live on reservations and collect welfare”
>”these guys were treated like shit ages ago; let’s let them live in ghettos and collect welfare”
>these guys were treated like shit decades ago by the Nazis; let’s Arm them to fight against the Brits for their own ethnostate then give them lots of military assistance and money”
>”these people are poor, Brown, and don’t speak English; we should let them ignore immigration laws and we’ll give them welfare while we’re at it”
>”hey white people! Everything is your fault; pay for these people’s welfare!”
To put it simply, Jews put up this parallel institution called Social "Science" that did not have the purpose of improving our knowledge of the world but rather to oppose and eventually supplant the European system. It's an ethnocentric strategy, not science as we know it.
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It coopted the uniquely European Enlightenment concepts of legal equality and applied them to racial equality, intellectual equality, etc. Typical parasitism. Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique goes into more detail but yeah.
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People like to argue that white treatment (slavery, racism, segregation, denial of public services, denial of opportunity) of blacks has depleted there potential (hurt their genetic stock) and it will recover with time and resources (closing the IQ gap).
Comments?
this isn't on topic
>a very influential European-style socialist.
you're allowed to say "jew" on here
our experiences don't do much to change us desu
the genes program us with responses to specific circumstances, they are "tried and tested" by the fact that these genes reproduced and haven't died out. We just call up whatever program we believe is best fit to handle this new situation. Our neocortex lets us invent new programs based off old circuitry to deal with new situations, but all of these processes (the old circuits, the circuitry for abstract thinking, the circuitry for making virtual circuitry, etc) are governed by genetics, so if you don't have the genes that construct a more abstracting mind, you can't learn as much or as well.
many genes do more than one thing, they are "polygenetic", so based on correlations between different phenotypic features we can deduce that a specific group of genes is responsible for them and we can then look for the presence/absence of these genes in individual humans and cross reference whether the phenotype fits. It's statistical genetics as polygenetic traits are outside the scope of Mendelian genetics. Same idea though.
yeah ok lol how come Africans didn't manage shit on their own the multiple 10 000s of years before ancient Egypt or the Islamic conquests and then finally colonialism. Where was this supposed potential? The biggest building in Africa that dates from being European Whites is the mud mosque and that was built by the more intelligent semitic/berber races.
I mean this is so easy to BTFO. Just ask why that potential didn't manifest before.
This is false, nobody makes the argument that their "genetic stock" has been injured, at least not since the death of W.E.B. DuBois. They stick exclusively to psychological, cultural, and epigenetic causation (see Alan Goodman etc).
It's also a stupid argument because worse things have happened to other racial groups, all of which showed more resilience in the face of genocide, torture, slavery, warfare, etc.
I don't care for Sam Harris or Ezra Klein, but if any of you are following the current exchange, it is sad to see the facts are not winning and the "cherry pick +white guilt" argument is.
Can you give an example of a group that has done more after being treated worse?
Wow it's almost like they are both European-style socialists or something.
Count the Jews
Slavery is named after the Slavs
Japs got firebombed and nuked twice and rebuilt everything better than before, with less help than we have given any specific African country
Armenians and Jews got genocided and are doing fine
American actually treated its African slaves better than they were treated anywhere else.
Equality doesn't exist. Sage
That's the point of this thread, we are deconstructing a false idea that unfortunately most of the West believes.
Christianity
Franz Boas. I'll give you precisely zero guesses as to what he was.
Christianity existed for almost two thousand years before racial equality became an accepted concept. I don't disagree that it was a precondition, as the Enlightenment itself also was, but it has more to do with the people that practice the religion, and how they practice it, than the religion itself as some kind of abstract set of concepts apart from human practice.
Europeans specifically have self-domesticated and become more individualistic with each passing century. This is what has provided the genetic, biological substrate for such cultural events as the Magna Carta, Protestant Reformation, the Enlightenment, American Revolution, Age of Reason, etc.
>it is sad to see the facts are not winning and the "cherry pick +white guilt" argument is.
yeah because Whites are too comfortable to face hard truths and choose softie bullshit instead. Just wait until more people are "force redpilled" getting mugged or raped by niggers. It has to get worse before it gets better.
>Slavery is named after the Slavs
not entirely true