Why is he considered a "mediocre" servant?

Isn't he able to counter any servant with UBW tracing?
Not to mention broken phantasm nuking.

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Nasu hates Emiya and masturbates with Gil and Karna

>Pretends to hate EMIYA while still giving him OP chunni abilities but he's still a ""underdog"" guys XD
Reminder he took 6 lives from Berserker with low mana and being injured by Saber in the fate route.
Nasu is a hack.

>Shirou is stronger than Archer because muh plot armor.
Don't take anything in Fate seriously.

Well at least he seems sorry to give him those chunni skills

>Fate ""writing""
Best not to think about it.

Nasu's writing is great, so it's really something to think about

Possessing a million swords won't let him contend with someone who has mastered one to the utmost limit. Also his stats and skills are below average.

Weapon tracing is expensive and isn't perfect. Using the skill trace function is also risky since he's not in control and the skill trace isn't perfect either. Broken Phantasm even more so, he need backup from a very good master to pull it off back to back.

He's mediocre because he's a jack of all trades with below average stats and average ability in all fields. With research and preparation he can win, but he can't go up against a specialist unless its on his term

Hercules said Archer gave him a swordsmanship boner. Now fuck off.

>Hercules said

He can't actually beat any servant 1v1 save Gil

But he could clearly beat Cu.

While Cu had a command seal limiting him in combat.

Emiya is not mediocre.
He literally took 6 lives out of Berserker in the Fate route.
With six lives Berserker can literally kill half of the servants (except Gil and probably Seibah) 1v1.
If Emiya is better than a Berserker with 6 lives then he is better than a fuck ton of other servants.

>Possessing a million swords won't let him contend with someone who has mastered one to the utmost limit.
How come it lets Gilgamesh do it?
And how come it doesn't let him, despite his swordspam being superior to Gil's?

But Gil can beat almost any servant 1 v 1 with his swordspam.
And archer's swordspam beats Gil's swordspam head on.

He lost to Cu. While Cu was a caster.

UBW tracing makes a poor man's copy. He can never match the original.

Gil doesn't need a reality marble eating up prana, has better shit to hurl & more. Shirou/EMIYA beat him in speed but little else.

But there is no rule that says an imitation cannot defeat the original.

>Shirou/EMIYA beat him
Exactly.
And this was Shirou, not archer.

He can't trace Divine constructs.
Anyone with a Divine construct would fuck him over.
Also, UBW uses all of his mana. If that fails, he's done for.
His stats are also shit-tier.

Excalibur

Everything is a copout. Archer should be able to do what Gil does which should make Archer shit on everyone. But Nasu is stupid.

People forget that Archer survived that bahsircar fight and showed up later just to say hi.
Independent action means that he gets to do that. In Fate/Extra, he's harder to fight with than Saber is but later game he's ridiculously OP, You need to grind a lot to beat some of the bosses especially one where if you don't beat her before round 3 she resets the fight entirely.
I was only able to win because I grinded Caster to a ridiculous level and steamrolled the rest of the game.

Nasu is a dumb piece of shit that retcons shit left and right. Shirou projected pic related but later he says Shirou/Archer can't project it.

Because he is mediocre. The average servant is pretty strong, and Archer only shines in specific circumstances. Remember that he struggles against actually combat-capable servants like Lancer. The ones he easily beats are the gimmick classes, like Caster and Assassin.

>being injured by Saber in the fate route
How did he recover quickly in HF?

>Archer can't project Rule Breaker because reasons

Gil jobbing to Shirou at the end of UBW Route was literally that. Shirou gains understanding of how to use the swords he traces as unto the owner (see also: Caliburn in Fate, Sparks Liner High in HF), has his weapons at hand while Gil has to open GoB, and is fighting in a manifestation of his utmost soul-deep devotion to SWORDS.

It will forever baffle me that people unironically defend this shit.

>can beat him in this one thing
>ended up losing & needing Angry Manjew to save him & then redman to headshot

reminder that Kiritsugu did nothing morally wrong.

UBW isnt that great against most other servants, it counters Gil due to its ability to trace the weapons in GoB and beat him at swordspam, but thats about it

tracing peoples weapons wouldnt get him the win, since he would be stuck at a disadvantage against stronger and more skilled opponents

>Can trace most sword weapons save divine constructs
>Gains the experience and skill of the user of the traced weapon
>To put it on par of the original power, he can just overpower the thing till it breaks
>Costs little to no mana because I am the bone of my sword
>Only wins against Gil because Nasu believes in rock paper scissors shit

Still bullshit on why he isn't considered better when he can basically just spam swords in the same vein as Gil.

Shiro was never stronger than Archer. Even in UBW, Archer let Shiro win because Shiro's autism was stronger than his.

Good thing he did everything right then in prisma

EMIYA may be mediocre, but Nameless not only has better stats, but can trace Divine Constructs because the Moon is a better boss than the Counter Force.

Also, he apparently beat Gawain in a body that was breaking down.

>Bringing up terrible and irrelevant Fate stories in a SN discussion.

By tracing a Divine Construct like Excalibur, he destroys himself. So technically they can do it, they just never will because it will kill them.

Nasu likes to cover up servant's weaknesses by saying the master is at fault or rock paper scissors.
Then when stuff like Apocrypha, F/SF, and F/GO happens we get absolute bat shit insane power levels.

How do I get into Fate?

FAKER.

>could clearly beat Cu
Cu was limited by a command seal, he was severely underpowered, and still Cu would have won if not for a "bet" on his honor. Gae Bolg drained the shit out of Rho Aias and Cu was still ready to fight.
Cu also was never in danger in any of their encounters. This is while Cu had no real Master and had to contend with a talented Tohsaka Rin.

Gilgamesh had a massive amount of nerfs on him in UBW. The game literally tells you that Gil would have won that fight if he just didn't get overconfident and put off balance from the start. Gil also wasted a lot of his shit earlier against Herakles.

He does that because Servants aren't the focus of the story, charecters like Rin, Shirou, and Sakura are. Too bad no other Fate author got this.

By reading the visual novel or watching the anime?

Read Fate/Stay Night Realta Nua. Then read Fate/Strange Fake and watch Carnival Phantasm. Those are the only worthwhile things in Fate. Or just watch the Ufotable anime UBW and Heaven's Feel movie instead of reading the VN.

Stop saying EMIYA can project Excalibur, you retards.
He can project a almost perfect copy but it's not a 100% exact copy.
He cannot trace divine constructs, period.

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>He cannot trace divine constructs, period.
He can if the plot demands for it. That's all that matters really.

Well yeah, he's a fucking Archer. He's not really supposed to be in close-quarters combat. The fact that he can even hold his own at close range against so many other servants is a testament to how stupidly overpowered he is.

Because nasu is a hack.

Start with FSN, and from there you can go just about anywhere.

>read up about Lancer Arthuria
>she's so OP she makes Saber look like a downgrade
What the fuck is with the power creep in this franchise? What's the justification for King Arthur NOT using Excalibur being almost a living god?

Nasu is a hack.

do we have a comparison of him with other archers in terms of ranged firepower?

>He cannot trace divine constructs, period.
He traced Avalon fine and it's made of the same shit as Excalibur.

So would Counter Guardian EMIYA with unlimited Parana be able to defeat all the servants Gil could beat? I mean he wouldn't have mana limitations on his broken phantasms.

most servants with infinite mana could

So would his infinite mana boost make him top tier even as compared to other CG? And why not as far as I see it overcomes the major thing he was lacking.

Because his body understands it. It was in his body for 10 years and even changed his Origin and Affinity. That doesn't apply to any other Divine Constructs.

The power of _tits_

It should apply to Excalibur, due to being made of the same material. That would explain why Archer claims he's able to project it in the VN.

we know one other CG, and he stomps EMIYA(archer)

aside from that we have little idea of who are CG and how strong CG even really are, archer wasnt exactly summoned to fight major foes as a janitor- just random dudes

Grand Order.

Listen people will bitch about you not getting in jokes and references, but that's retarded and makes you look like a continuity obsessed loser.

At this point Grand Order, is The Most Profitable, The most supported by new updates, and the one the creator is currently actually paying attention too. Quality of product has nothing to do with anything about getting into a franchise, it's like watching only ESB and saying you like Star Wars; no you don't you only like ESB.

I forgot about that. But still, maybe it's easier for him to project Avalon simply because he knows it better than Excalibur.

>Archer can't project divine constructs
>except when he can

Counter Guardians aren't supposed to be strong. They're the shits who couldn't make it to become a Heroic Spirit on their own. Also, Broken Phantasms have cooldown time. You can't spam that shit and is the reason why Saber defeated that attack in the first place while doing other shit.

Go back to your gambling secondary scum. I heard they're giving out free Quartz soon so you can role for Santa Saber!

Nasu explained that already. Once any connection to Avalon disappears (Saber), you can't project it anymore.

Got a link? It's been a long time since i read the material books/interviews.

Not an argument artistic merit (quality) has little to do with how well a work encapsulates what a franchise is.

Isn't a servant's power proportional to how famous their legend is?

I always thought Archer was weak because EMIYA doesn't have much of a legend.

And you're saying that GO, a moebage created to milk money out of whales via gambling, is the work that most encapsulates the Fate franchise. Okay buddy. You win. I literally cannot argue with someone this retarded.

At least now I know you are a secondary because anyone who's played even an hour of SN can see the massive differences from it and any other Fate work.

You're probably going to bring up "Nasu is writing it!" or "Nasu considers it to be the most important Fate work!" Save it scum, I've heard it from your kind many, many times before.

He beat Heracles 5 times.

>you should get into this giant fiction universe by playing the tertiary phone game which exists to extract money from long-established fans who have nothing else to look forward to
Yeah okay man.

>batshit insane power levels
Only really for shit like the Beasts.
Eg: Tiamat cannot physically die until all life on Earth is dead

>GoB beats every servant but Archer
>UBW sucks against every servant but Gil
If UBW is superior to GoB how does this happen?

>Servants aren't the focus of the story
The biggest mistake. Servants are obviously the most interesting part and the reason people even bother to watch this.

>Isn't a servant's power proportional to how famous their legend is?
It is, except when it isn't.

It's less of a better than but more of a specific counter to. It's almost built solely to fuck gob up.

>If UBW is superior to GoB
How the fuck did you come to that conclusion
The problem with secondaries who try to judge Fate writing is that they come from DBZ and think in their shitty power level logic

He can't. He was gonna die the first time he and Cu met if it wasn't for Shirou disrupting them.

He still lost and died like a bitch.

Because of his mediocre stats
His highest stat is Mana yet it only gives him ability to last longer without a source (which is already covered by his class Independent Action) since he can't use magecraft. Someone with crazy high stats or good weapon handling can easily beat him. He was strained to his limit against Cu Chulainn, and someone like Artoria will curb stomp him. His fighting style would be closer to someone like Assassin, except he also doesn't have a one hit kill NP

not canon

On paper, he's mediocre. It's a different matter in action.

>What the fuck is with the power creep in this franchise?
Fate jumped the Shark with F/GO

If Archer actually tries, he will just sit on a building and fire off Hrunting to kill pretty much any other Servant from a far distance.

He could probably kill Hercules if he isn't confined to close quarters. All he needs to do is broken phantasm spam a different high rank weapon everytime he kills him.

The power creep in this franchise almost rivals that of Naruto. This franchise was not built to be this big and it shows. Anything aside from SN and Zero is sub-bar generic anime bullshit.

Read Secondary scum everywhere.

A wholly fucked Cu won in every single fight.

Yes, no offense but I have read it and I did like SN, but at end of the day the fat franchise whether you like it or not is more in line tonally with GO. People can bitch all they want but it's like saying the OT is what made Star Wars it doesn't matter if that's what all the masses know nor even that they are genuinely good they aren't a good representation of what either Lucas' vision was or Disney's vision is now.

Retconned. It doen't matter if you dislike the change the retcon still stands.

Broken phantasm is just overloading your noble phantasm with magical energy enough that it explodes. There's no reason why Archer can't spam that if he has a mana supply like Rin.

Hrunting has a grace period in between the shots, but he can still fire 5 shots in a row.

The one time he won, Archer was on the tail end of 3 days without a master, Emiya had traced the martial arts style that Archer had painstakingly creating throughout his career as a hero before becoming a Counter Guardian, and Emiya in UBW was the most focused on achieving the ideal of Unlimited Blade Works, making his individual projections the strongest they were in any of the other routes.

But Archer is a servant, that means he has to have higher power level!
Power levels are good writing right?

>Counter Guardians aren't supposed to be strong. They're the shits who couldn't make it to become a Heroic Spirit on their own.
false
Becoming a heroic spirit is more difficult with time and the increase in technology but it doesn't mean a CG is necessarily weaker.

As a Counter Guardian, Archer is only good at fighting threats to the Earth. Shirou isn't a threat to the Earth, therefore Archer's powers were more nerfed combined with all the other shit that had happened to him during that route that he was probably only as strong as Caster's Master except when it came to Broken Phantasms.

Broken Phantasm is NOT just overloading the NP with magical energy. Read the fucking fight with Saber.

Gil could have won that fight if only he was less of a condescending cunt. He didn't even put his armor on because he didn't consider Shirou worthy of fighting him at full power.