Jordan Peterson Is A Postmodernist Critic Of White Identitarians
>Peterson is always insisting, with ever more regularity, that the "far right" is engaging in the same identity politics as the left, and presumably that White identitarians are caught up in the same splintering dynamic, the same arbitrary use of politically-based criteria in the identification of social groups. But we really need to ask, since he never elaborates: why is it impossible for White identitarians to identify Whites as a racial group? What exactly is the alt right doing in their identity politics that resembles the postmodernist logic of the left?
>The truth is that White identitarians are following the same biological logic Peterson applies in his identification of males and females. It is Peterson who uses the same postmodernist logic the left uses against the practice of group identification by identitarians. He asks "who is White exactly?" just as postmodernists ask "what exactly is a male?" Postmodernists tell students that there is no such thing as a White race. The White race is a social construct solely determined by the cultural norms and by the elites in charge of knowledge. They always insist that there are far more significant cultural and social differences between individuals across racial lines.
Maradona has a lot of amerindian ancestry and his phenotypes are goblino-tier. He's not European/White.
Chase Green
JBP is detestable
Ian Lopez
How to BTFO Peterson:
Who is an Ashkenazi Jew, exactly?
He seemed to have no trouble declaring that Ashkenazi Jews have a higher average intelligence than Whites. How did they determine who is a Jew and who is not?
Josiah Nelson
He looks Sicilian. A ton of Italians here in NY look like him.
Jonathan Hughes
White is a term ugly "whites" use to associate with the familiar image of germanic and scandinavian people. This is also a common phrase for the jews to huddle us all together to make it easier for them to attack us; they can pull up an image of a "white" person - an ugly one, and use it as their basis for their attacks on us "whites".
I have blonde hair with some brown, a nice square chin, and no barrel chest with a decent frame, I identify as a scandinavian.
Jason Sanchez
Are some races more successful than other because of intelligence? Does that mean that there are races that are not intelligent?
I mean we can walk down this road, but you better prepare to open up pandoras box, Peterson.
Levi Murphy
I have 80% european heritage. 20% African. White?
Easton Moore
>lefties: there is no white culture or "white pride" its German Dutch English etc etc >so by that logic there is no black culture or black pride either, its Nubian Swazili Zulu etc >*leftist starts calling you names*
Every time.
Nicholas Adams
But he's on board on the IQ question.
We just need to sterilize >everyone world wide under 95 IQ (90 for women), and the bottom 1% male/female of the bell curve coming into puberty each year going forward >all felons >career criminals >those who seek abortions but cannot pay >those that have significant negative genetic disorders >anyone in public office that is guilty of corruption
The race problem would solve itself. Automation is coming and swelling populations of retards only threaten to capsize the modern world. The wheat separated from the chaff, humanity will finally be able to cast itself amongst the stars.
Justin Long
You can literally determine that with a DNA test. His issue is with whites as a whole, he's OK with saying that groups like Norwegians are different. His issue is with grouping people as whites, it's such a large group that it's useless.
It can cover everything from Portuguese, to Georgians, to Germans, depending on who you ask with many people picking and choosing based on their own agenda. Peterson is OK with saying that Norwegians are more intelligent than say Indonesians for example.
Evan Perry
No.
Jaxon Walker
Us black Americans don't have any attachments to Africa other than color. I literally don't know anything about Nigeria so It'd be dumb to celebrate Nigerian history month. Black culture really means black American culture which is an actual real thing.
Dominic Reed
What about my son. He has green eyes and blond hair?
Aaron Thomas
Boers aren't white nor whites in America.
Europeans arent white either
Wyatt Foster
Those under 100 IQ aren't white. Which is why their genetics need to be skimmed from the pool like floatsam.
Nolan Barnes
that exact same logic can also apply to white Americans then
Kevin Wright
Black culture refers to African American culture. The blacks here have no idea where they came from, so it's weird to say they have like Nigerian culture.
Whites here meanwhile vary by region depending on the ethnic make up there. Minnesota for example as a lot of Scandi influences. West Virginia has a of Scots-Irish.
Luke Jackson
I really love this man.
You Millinnials and those slightly older should pay very close attention to him and follow his advice.
Lincoln Butler
>Who's White exactly? Anyone that check all three of these requirements >White skin >pink nipples >caucasian skull
Christian Young
The goblin meme shows that what he says isnt wrong. So many mutts around who will refuse to draw the line in front of themselves.
Elijah Mitchell
>Black culture really means black American culture which is an actual real thing.
White Americans usually have a pretty concrete understanding of where they came from. And it kind of varies by region, while for blacks it's all the same because they all came from the South.
Jose Brown
He's right.
Hudson Campbell
>Black culture really means black American culture which is an actual real thing. A real, shitty, thing.
Jordan Green
How do you draw the boundaries between Ashkenazi and Turk? Slavic? Caucasus-origin?
Those same DNA tests can put you into a "Europe" "NW Europe" "Mediterranean" bucket as well.
Ethan Fisher
Kill yourself you fucking kike communist. There's not a single shred of respective intelligence from that jew cock holster.
Jeremiah Allen
Most white Americans claim some ethnic heritage. Hence all the fucking Irish, Italian, polish, German, Latvian festivals. No one cares when they celebrate but when us blacks do It's all, "woah, why are you guys so militant etc"
James Thomas
What black pride parades have you seen?
Zachary King
When someone says you have white privilige say whites don't exist and you aren't white.
>He asks "who is White exactly?" So does Sup Forums
Angel Cox
I went to a MLK day parade this year.
Parker Cruz
>"white culture" which consists of western civilization.
Nathan Roberts
Missed out on all those black lives matter demonstrations you retard?
Mason Turner
One drop rule, nigger.
Grayson Gutierrez
What have albanians contributed?
Eli Morgan
underrated, urgay
Dylan Carter
Yep. 95% of jp threads are. He's had a noticeable impact so shills are spamming nonsense everyday.
Cooper Lewis
Weekly reminder that only Scots, Anglos, Danes, and the Dutch can be Americans. The rest of you are just visiting.
Jacob Cox
but black african culture exists. For example very specific artistic traditions
Angel Adams
What kind of low IQ untermensch doesn't understand the parallel? The essence of racial identity politics is about playing a zero sum game to make your 'group' win at the expense of the other group. Making every conflict/dispute about race rather than taking a more nuanced look at things.
When he says 'what is white' he's alluding to the fact that there are many factions and cultures within the caucasian grouping. He also disdains the idea of grouping blacks and minorites into 'communities' because he doesn't believe that they are monolithic either.
I think the term 'postmodernist' is quickly being turned into a meme by low IQ alt righters. It's just now being thrown out there to disparage people who want to inject some nuance into arguments, or dare question dogma.
Logan Russell
By western civilization you mean Greco Roman Pagan laws culture and civilization right?
Jeremiah Stewart
>You can literally determine that with a DNA test You can literally determine who has European ancestry with a DNA test, that is the White race.
White race = of European descent and not a Jew.
>he's OK with saying that groups like Norwegians are different What Peterson is okay with is deconstructing the White race into ethnicities, and declaring that since that's possible there's no such thing as the White race. It's postmodernist deconstructionism.
>His issue is with grouping people as whites, it's such a large group that it's useless. Nonsense. Europeans are genetically distinct from the other human races, this can be easily shown using a DNA test.
Answer me this: What ethnic European group is a White person who is a mix of, say, 5 different European ethnic groups? This is not uncommon in North America, where many European ethnic groups have lived together for centuries. What's your answer for that? We call these people White, because they are descended from Europeans.
>Peterson is OK with saying that Norwegians are more intelligent than say Indonesians for example. We're not talking about the genetic variation between European ethnic groups, we're talking about the existence of the White race and White people having a right to political self-determination, something Peterson calls "reprehensible".
Connor Bennett
white is anyone who doesnt cause an instinctive fight or flight response in you
Jackson Reed
Post his DNA test results.
Daniel Jenkins
> Heuristic to the white question. And honest answer.
Conditions to being white > You need to have more than 70% european genes in your body. > The range 50-80% is considered a mistery meat mixed bag. You can have luck and express the best of your european genes and miraculously get the best of your non european genes. Some cases like this exist. Hitler said that race mixing was bad because was "impredictable".There could be some good exceptions. > If you are on the mistery meat bag group, you can only be honorary white through achievements and service to the cause. > Not all genes are created equal and not all mixed races are created equal. If you have more than 1-15% african genes, you are not white. The 5-15% is danger zone. White less than 5% you are probably safe. You can always have only 1% and have shitty luck expressing the worst of those genes. > Mediterranean europeans are white. Those who say otherwise are playing a divde and conquer technique. > The same with slavs. > Anglos are white but are the worst for the white cause (the european genes preservation cause). Anglos tend to be always the plataform for international jewry. > Jordan Peterson whole premise prove exactly my point. His anglos genes are showing.
There you go, simple as that.
Samuel Smith
I'm asking for actual "Black Pride" parades, not BLM shit you fucking sub-85 IQ memeflagging idiot. I'm on your side.
Most of the "Black Pride" parades turn militant because it's about muh gibs, muh dik, muh oppression, muh fuk whitey.
Parker Rivera
That's african culture. It's different from ours. Dufferent foods, different religions, different language, black ameicans have virtually nothing In common with new African immigrants.
Christian Phillips
Specific markers show Ashkenazi or Sephardi blood.
True, but NW Europe is again meaningless when you think about it. It can apply to people from Ireland, to parts of France, to Germany, to even some Italians. Mediterranean can mean everything from Spanish to Lebanese to Greek to Turkish to Maltese.All of these share different levels of intelligence and only share a minuscule level of DNA. Ashkenazis are an ethnic group that share a language and customs. There isn't much in common between between a Spaniard and a Syrian. Apart from even DNA you can use actual ethnic customs and language to find Ashkenazis, much like Norwegians, French people, Catalans, or Greeks. To me it makes more sense to group by ethnic group.
>We're not talking about the genetic variation between European ethnic groups, we're talking about the existence of the White race and White people having a right to political self-determination, something Peterson calls "reprehensible". False
Joseph Harris
Leave, you're not welcome here anti-White scum.
Luke Jones
I haven't had him tested, he's 6 months old. But my wife got hers, 100% euro. Mostly German some British isles. I'm 80% British isles. 20% west Africa.
John Ramirez
Med is not a people, theres africans asiatics and Southern Europeans, seperate populations
Josiah Bennett
if your DNA isnt at least 70% european you are not white you are a nigger
Ian Taylor
Took you long enough to come up with that shitty sidestep.
Connor Stewart
You cant be anti-something that doesnt exist.
Isaiah Sullivan
In a world where any other opinion makes showing up to their speeches a career ending move, do you really want him to go there?
Fuck Nazism and white supremacy signaling. Those things will end your movement. Conservatives mostly think shooting Nazis was a pretty good idea. We need electable people and to be electable you can't touch us with a 10 foot pole.
Asher Reyes
>To me it makes more sense to group by ethnic group. Zulu and Japanese are very genetically distant, as are Nigerian and Irish. Those are all different ethnicities, but some ethnicities are very closely grouped genetically, and that is what we call race.
It doesn't matter what "makes more sense" to you, race exists. It is a genetic reality that cannot be denied. You simply wan to deny it exists in an effort to deconstruct the White race.
Carter Wilson
>that the "far right" is engaging in the same identity politics as the left he might as well insist that the police is engaging in the same deplorable use of firearms as the criminals. is this guy stupid enough to bring a rubber chicken to a cockfight? it's always the opponent who sets the minimum intensity of a conflict.
I understand that. I'm wondering whether these African cultures could bear some relation to African American cultures. I am white and I have an interest in the history of painting much of which derives from a white European tradition stemming at least as far back as the Renaissance. I'm wondering what relationship you can draw between African American culture and African culture. Are you interested in the history of African art, as a person who bears more of an ethnic relationship to those peoples than, say, me, a white man with a European heritage.
Andrew Cook
Wrong. Though I would admit they're aren't that many of us left here.
Jeremiah Parker
Bullshit. practically every single white american is of mixed European heritage now and there is no such thing as a German, Irish or Italian american anymore because they have all melted together and created their own culture
>he said while typing on his computer Invented by Whites who were the product of Western Civilization
Nicholas Cruz
You can't be anti-something that doesn't exist.
Aiden Edwards
White Americans usually identify with their majority ancestry or just as American. Italian American, German American, etc. Ethnic groups are also fluid, just like how Occitans basically disappeared and assimilated into French.
You can identify people as European, but that's useless sense the groups within that group are so different. Ashkenazim are an ethnic group, Europeans encompass differing levels of intelligence, customs, phenotypes, etc. You could even group a ton of Iranians into Europeans if you wish to do say, they share their language is cut from the same cloth if you go back far enough. There's a reason the Nazis could just pick and choose who was white according to their whims. Blumenbach even considered North Africans in the same group. You can really manipulate it anyway you want.
Samuel Roberts
>White identitarians are following the same biological logic Peterson applies in his identification of males and females Whoever you are quoting here is a genelet retard. M/F is determined by your sex chromosomes. There is literally no analogy to any "white" chromosomal determination.
>I think the term 'postmodernist' is quickly being turned into a meme by low IQ alt righters. Ricardo Duchesne clearly defines the term in the article. Peterson is engaging in Postmodernist deconstructionism of the White race, and it's not even consistent with his criticisms of the Left.
Cameron Torres
>canadian kermit
this nigger on rebit where he belongs, take your prozac buy my rug clean your room and let your daughter whore herself on instagram
Joshua Johnson
Maradona doesn't have italian ancestry. His family comes from the Northern provinces of our country and settled in the slums of Buenos Aires - which basically means that he is the son of paraguayans.
Ayden Rogers
They usually claim wherever their last name is from. Others just claim "American".
Robert Taylor
Your population is too small and too young. There isn't a single person born in North America that is white.
Charles Myers
what is black? what is asian? what is latino?
Thomas Flores
This. JBP is ideologically on all fours with the most hateful Jewish ideologues, on this issue.
Eli Ross
The puppet strings. Some focus on the strings, others focus on the marionette, and still others see (((the puppet masters))) themselves.
It is not for nothing but it is very common for mixed children to be born with recessive traits and with time they are losing them. Example the huge amount of people who had blond hair as a child and 7 years old disappears. I remember an interview with a woman who admitted she was sad that her son had lost his hair and eyes color over time, but he still loved him.
Caleb Jackson
Are you identified by yourself and most of the people you meet as white?
> but some ethnicities are very closely grouped genetically "closely" is a relative term. So "white race" only exists when you draw an arbitrary line in your head. There will always be disagreement on where that line is drawn because: a) white people hate each other b) patato niggers and ukes exist.
Nolan Collins
Oh sure, i love African art and went to see the collection at the smithsonian. However, fandom and now influence is something that happened in the last 50 years. Black Americans had been cut off from the African font for 400 years.
Christopher Reed
Figures a britfag would settle for only 70% you nigger
Samuel Parker
Who is Juden Peterstein and why would I care what he says?
Carson Anderson
I don't want to deconstruct anything. It just that the data can manipulated however you want depending on your desires. Why are Finns white for example? It's just because of geography. People just take Finnish markers as white even though Finnish is more closely related to Japanese then say Swedish. Finnish haplogroups are extremely rare in the rest of Europe, barring Estonians and Latvians.
Aiden Nelson
All jbp does is give overcomplicated answers to simple problems
Lincoln Parker
>Who is white exactly
This needs to be answered by white Identitarians. When ever a country broke people up by race they made each race and mixture of race a class. Even the Nazis did this and it was more about the aryan race then anything else
>The White race is a social construct solely determined by the cultural norms
Classifying things by race(White,Black,Asian etc) is usually really broad. If you want it to be more exact and less of a "social construct" then classify things by ethnicity.
>and by the elites in charge of knowledge They always insist that there are far more significant cultural and social differences between individuals across racial lines
Theres probably equal amount of representation of elites determining what is white and it being more organic and Yes there are more differences between individuals across racial lines
Angel Walker
You never been to America then. Everyone here claims something. Whether it's correct or not is irrelevant.
