That is the capital of Vietnam. Vietnam was devastated by a decades long war in 1975 with over 6 million dead in the country and was one of the poorest countries in the world. Then in 1976, Vietnam unified the North and the South, started to rebuild its cities and infrastructure, removed the ruthless CIA backed Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in 1978 and in 1986 implemented deep reforms to move to a socialist market orientated economy.
Since 1986 Vietnam has morphed into a safe high-tech manufacturing hub, a beautiful tourist destination, a country with happy people and rather good schools. Goldman Sachs has forecast that by 2025, Vietnam will be a top 20 country worldwide in terms of GDP and should replace Sweden in the G20 then.
So why are people still saying socialism doesn't work when it clearly does if coupled with market price and competition as well as free trade principles?
Notice how the french built such beautiful buildings in plentiful space. Compare that with what the gooks have done.
Jordan Phillips
>Vietnam exists within this one cherry picked photo!
The commies shouldn't have wasted their time brainwashing retards like you.
William Turner
Interessiert keine Sau du dummes Stück Scheiße. Verpiss dich mit deiner häßlichen Religion.
Luke Hernandez
Vietnam has a fairly benign version of communism. Remember, they invaded Cambodia for being too insane (Khmer Rouge), and the Chinese invaded them in '75 for not being extreme enough.
Also, like China, their economy only started to take off recently, when they made reforms to their system specifically designed to make it more market-based. I wouldn't consider that a ringing endorsement of planned economies.
Luke Jenkins
>T. Vietnamese subhuman in Germany You must go home since it’s so good
Grayson Reed
Thankfully we have empirical evidence rather than anecdotes.
It's a largely homogeneous country and culture. Homogeneous cultures and people are the only ways it works. Socialism operates on trust. If you can't understand how multiculturalism breeds mistrust and how homogeneity breeds trust, you're too ignorant and/or stupid to be making threads about this subject.
Landon White
I'd rather live in Belarus or Vietnam than South Africa or Mexico. Suck a nigger dick faggot.
Jacob Gray
>That area of Saigon was literally built by the french like 200 years ago.
>Saigon is not the Capital Hanoi is. >Muh 6 gorillion >The VietCommies put the Khmer rouge into power >The VietCommies only BTFO the Khmer Rogue because the Cambodians had a border dispute with them, literally ZERO humanitarian reasons for this. >Vietnam was always fascist and has become more capitalists >Vietnam was never socialist.
Cambodia went full Socialism under the Khmer Rouge, how come you aren't praising that?
Look at my flag, I have traveled indochina for the last year, OP is a retard.
Christopher Flores
They invaded Cambodia because Cambodia told them a disputed territory was rightful Cambodian clay we will fight you over.
Literally the Vietnamese only fought them for land and stole the Island of Phu coc.
TL;DR No one knew what was going on inside Cambodia until after Vietnam beat the Khmer Rouge, the Vietnamese fought purely for land.
Cameron Brooks
I can show the brochure pictures too, you sausage-swallowing communist cunt.
Democracy provides for a government that just keeps on chugging.
Totalitarian rule provides for anything from collapse to paradise. It's usually fairly worse than democracy though, because people are usually fairly bad. Which isn't to say totalitarians are worse than presidents, but presidents are impeded in their ability to be a shit.
Wyatt Ortiz
>So why are people still saying socialism doesn't work when it clearly does if coupled with market price and competition as well as free trade principles? It does, like it works here. As long as all people take a part in it.
Logan Carter
>Juche doctrine >Communism
Stop posting, Laplander. You're fucking retarded
Caleb Wright
>Democracy provides for a government that just keeps on chugging.
Chugging into collapse.
Joshua Baker
Democracies are far more stable than autocracies.
Jordan Smith
Socialism works as a safety net for native people who fall outside of the boat in regards to competence skills inside of a capitalist market that is able to pay for it
The reason socialism fails is because it has nearly always gone hand in hand with mass immigration and easy citizenship which means the safety net is stretched beyond its limit by fortune seekers and risks to become an economic threat to the whole nation itself
Hitler ironically enough got socialism right, I still wonder what could have been had he not flipped his shit and didnt wage war
The moment a politician who I know to be pro immigration also says theyre socialists then I already know their socialism isnt going to work
You cant expand the safety net of your country to everyone in the world willing enough to come
Parker Cooper
I would also suggest that socialism in capitalist societies should be considered as a capitalist market wealthy enough to afford specific socialist ideals and is able to Cherrypick the ideals that are affordable and manageable as well as increase the baseline of QOL for a whole nation
I dont mind having free healthcare if we get rid of all the migrants first and lock the borders for residency/citizenship (they can come hang out sure but fuck off within 7 days ok)
Eli Wilson
If there is one case of a country not being real Communism it's Vietnam.
Jackson Ross
They pull the same shit that China does and most of the rest of the country is completely destitute and poor.
You should visit these places before you have an opinion. You Europeans tend to love gook pussy, so it'd be a fun destination for you.
Kayden Thomas
>i’d rather live in these shitholes than those shitholes
Brody Jenkins
go to hanoi and stay in a bar until midnight. then you ll see its all Shit
You can live so so comfy here if you have money. Incredibly comfy. Serious luxury lifestyle.
If you don't have money, enjoy your cockroach showers and eventual slow death via nagging vn wife.
Evan Peterson
He doesn't reply. Loving every laugh.
Blake Hall
Vietnam is developing but it's still majority shithole.
They don't even have good environment worth seeing anymore because of Chinese influence. They care only about short term profits and are currently in the process of ruining what's left of their once nice beaches and coast. The jungle is stripped of all interesting fauna you are more likely to encounter a wild Cambodian with an AK than any cool animals.
Leo Sanders
>Cockroaches in shower and nagging vn wife Picked wrong wife champ. Seen many lizards in the houses there, 1 rat in a washing machine but never cockroaches. Seems all Vietnamese women do is sweep and mop floors.
Julian Cruz
Was in Saigon last year, The French must have done a lot of breeding over there, I seen a lot of old Vietnamese men who were much taller and whiter than the rest of the population They all looked like Louis De Funes but with chinky eyes
>Look how well socialism works when we remove the socialism and ignore the slums. Really makes me think.
Isaiah Gomez
>If there is one case of a country not being real Communism it's Vietnam. I said socialism, i.e. a strong state regulation of key sectors of industry rather than capitalist driven developments. "Communism" as in Soviet style pure state run anti-market state-price setting economies are shit these days for obvious reasons.
Xavier Cruz
>go to hanoi and stay in a bar until midnight. then you ll see its all Shit Do the same in Vienna and you see the same thing.
Jayden Rogers
>Evidance You couldn't even make it one word in. Shameful.
Jace Green
not bad
Adrian Torres
Do the workers in Vietnam own the means of production? If no then its not socialism? Does the state have some business'? If yes, congrats you know now there's thing called state capitalism. Is there welfare system? If yes, not socialism. If no, not socialism.
Socialism is its own way to produce things and run the economy. Just like fascism is, just like capitalism is. Things associated with it, does not mean its the integral part of it, just like National Socialism at its core does not promote war and genocide.
Camden Adams
ho chi mihn city is a shit hole, all of vietnam is. ive been there and seen it with my own eyes, they literally shit on the street
Tyler Hughes
i would prefer 1000x times live in homogeneus country like vietnam than in a 10x more rich multicultural america
Lucas Ortiz
Nearly any city on the planet has nice looking areas, especially during the right times of year.
Brandon Jones
interesting, thanks. Nice flag, and agreed, OP is a faggot
Nolan Martinez
>i would prefer 1000x times live in homogeneus country like vietnam than in a 10x more rich multicultural america This so much. Look at Detroit!
Social does work, look at America along with most of Europe. To say America is purely capitalist is silly as you have taxes which pay for roads and shit everyone uses. That's socialism. Unfortunately the greatest generations version of socialism is being overturned by corporate socialism where the money given back to the people is used predominantly in cases that benefit corporations.
Wyatt Perez
>What the fuck is that? Capitalism? No, it is socialism (state regulated sectors coupled with state run sectors) in which prices are set by market forces.
Contrast that to capitalism in which it is demand and supply which sets priorities for industries and is the only force that allocates resources within the economy.
Carson Miller
All intelligent Commies from Marx onwards know that the most powerful revolutionary force is capitalism. It constantly destroys itself and recreates itself anew. Like it says in the Manifesto, all that is solid melts into air. Clever Marxists like the Chinese understand that there's no point fighting the process. Instead they accelerate it.
Carter Diaz
I disagree. I think the most powerful economic intervention was the "market", i.e. the setting of a price through demand and supply.
Capitalism is a very different thing, defined as "an economic system based upon private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit". You can have a market based socialist society and many countries have just that... with only a few capitalist influences.
Carter Diaz
and meanwhile, fascists agree that communism does exactly that, so they secretly support it to cause the downfall of modernity! Oh, the ironing
Austin Wright
True. For instance both France and Germany have stakes in large companies, i.e. the state owns parts of the means of production in direct opposition of the principles of capitalism. The markets in France and Germany are still nearly exclusively based on demand and supply price setting mechanisms.
Adam Lopez
Are you even trying Africa?
Grayson Stewart
Like a Yellow and a White country even could have the “same” system lmao.
Tyler Peterson
Social market economies aim at stability though, they don't rip everything apart constantly. They aim to ameliorate capitalism's worst features, and they end up stagnant. Market crashes and bankruptcies are a feature, not a bug.
Jacob Reed
nice gif, respect
Parker Gray
Sorry I'm in the 'have money' category, I love it here.
Carter King
>Do the workers in Vietnam own the means of production? Yes >Does the state have some business'? Yes >Is there welfare system? If yes, not socialism. If no, not socialism. No
