Shingeki no Kyojin

>Pieck warned that fat guy
>Pieck and Porco will be rescued
>Porco will save Reiner
>Reiner will transform
I don´t know about you guys but I can feel Reiner getting over his fears and be a badass in next chapters.

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Anyone else got the feeling that Eren is going to pull a Lelouch?

Perfection

Genocide.

Eren is stronger than Reiner, so what's the point?

>caring about a fictional genocide
ok

>irony

should we not care about plot points of the stories we are seemingly invested in? Genocide kinda matters in this story.

not to the moralistic extend moral fags are taking it.

Why is Armong such a faggot?

>genocide shaming is being a moralfag

How many mental hoops did you jump through to become this delusional?

Forgot pic.

Sorry user, Reiner read the script Isayama provided him and the other characters so he'll be jobbing due to plot demand

none as you take to shitpost "genocide" like some kind moral crusade you have.

you don't have to be exceedingly church going moral goodie 2 shoes to know/acknowledge that Annie took a willing and active part in a War Crime.

Also the irony in that post
>caring about a fictional genocide
right
>caring about a fictional INSERT ANYTHING STORY RELATED HERE
>caring about Shingeki no Kyojin
>caring about manga
>caring about things
>caring

shitposting tends to be toward something that is either false or stupid

Genocide happened in the story.

not even that user but wew

it's pretty stupid to shitpost like some kind of moral crusader because of anons liking a character.

ANNIE PLEASES OLD MEN FOR INFORMATION.

genocide

jeez this isn't like
>smoking weed supports terrorism
or some other silly scare tactic that the actual overly moral people would have you believe

this was a Genocide that occurred in this story, and the people who did it were an active and willing part of it, they are bad people. The people who seem to overly praise/waifuism/husbando characters like Annie or Reiner appear so easy to disregard that simply based off her looks..
She looks pretty to you so who cares if she murdered hundreds of thousands of people right?

I'm not saying you can't also turn it against other people in the story: Eren is seemingly about to commit a degree of Genocide himself.. if he does, go right ahead! You can call him at least a Murderer.

Eren was orally raped by Mikasa. It's fact. No wonder that he is, as sexual abuse survivor, developed unhealthy, aggressive asexual personality.

Reiner jobbing would have nothing to do with plot demands, though. He's been established as weaksauce and lost all of his fights with Eren.

we all have a right to like or not like a character based off what that character is. I have a right to remind you that she committed Genocide.

>he'll be jobbing due to plot demand
He'll job to anyone because he was always a jobber. Get your shit straight.

She didn't commit genocide though.

she literally did though

More youngkasa please.

>this argument again
we all know where this is going to lead, here is the conclusion as to why you are wrong:

she actively steered, like a car, Titans into the walls with the intention to use those Titans to kill people. She deliberately used the Biological Weapon of Titans to Murder people. That murder count eventually spiked to the point where it can/does fall within general consensus of a Genocide.

If I'm driving my car, and I see you and actively steer my car into you with the purpose of killing you.. I murdered you. I intended to murder you with my car, and I did so. I intended to murder you with titans, I did so.

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She didn't do it with the goal of wiping out those within the walls. They just wanted the FT. If they really wanted to commit genocide they would've immediately broken the other two walls. That's like saying the Firebombing campaign against Japan during WW2 was a genocide because millions died. Mass murderer yes, genocider no.

>didn't intend to commit Genocide
you do know that doesn't change anything. But you are also wrong in the sense of what the definition of Genocide is: A systematic mass murder of a specific cultural/religious/ethnic/national group of people.

The people of Paradis were certainly their own Cultural and National specific group. They went in there with the intention to kill those people to goad the Coordinate, but the big factor in all that is that YES they INTENDED to kill those people, those specific people.

>She looks pretty to you so who cares if she murdered hundreds of thousands of people right?
I don't care about a character just because of looks, I'm not a Mikasafag, and like her, because she is a complicated character and cant be categorized easily as a "Bad Person", the manga explores this themes often and Annie is a prime example of that.

People often simplify BRA actions in a strictly moral point of view, when they in fact child soldiers from an oppressed race, putting them in a very gray area. I think doing that is disregarding to the manga writing at this point, this isn't a revenge porn story.

You can have your opinion on the matter, what I´m doing is calling out a shitposter who have a stupid moral crusade over a fictional genocide.

And I have the right to call you an autistic shitposter.

She participated in a genocide, but she more a victim of the system behind that genocide.

no homo but I'd suck Zeke's dick

Yes she did, you disgusting waifufaggot.

>they would've immediately broken the other two walls.
there is only so much they could have done in a single day. They eventually intended to break down the next wall anyways so.. It clearly was going to reach the point where they were going to wipe out everyone if they had to, to knock down all the walls would have meant everyone dies, something that they knew what would happen but they intended to do it anyways.

Also Bert himself also flatly said it was to wipe everyone out.

LM soon.

>complicated
yeah yeah we know her past and we know she "feels bad" but actions speak louder than words, and she did what she did. In fact she is almost WORSE than the Reiner because she is doing it for her own selfish reasons and she exactly isn't doing it for some perceived "greater purpose"

Lets say you have two people: They both committed an atrocity
one person blatantly states they committed this atrocity because they personally believe it to be the right thing to do, that is just what THEY believe
the other person blatantly states they committed this atrocity because they just wanted to go home.

which of these 2 people in your mind is actually less forgivable than the other one? which one is actually a worse person?

But it's not a genocide. Genocides aren't mass killings with an eventual goal other than the complete annihilation of the specific group under attack. If they got the FT they would've left and not attacked the other walls.
Only when they couldn't find the coordinate did they decide that the next wall needed to be broken.

and what of the fact Bert made it explicitly clear it was to extinguish the population?

If they wanted to completely exterminate the population, they would've broken the second wall quickly after the first. Not joining the military to infiltrate Sina as an MP. Where is that line from anyway?

Only you.

Eren is not stronger than Reiner, just faster.

I just said they couldn't do it all in a single day.. not even them. If their plan was to do both: get Coordinate and kill everyone.. killing everyone first might get in the way of getting the Coordinate.

Chapter 78. Bert basically shoots down any negotiation with Armin and declares that everyone in the walls has to die.

...

He though being dead was better than live as a Eldian in their world.

But manlet daughterzoned Mikasa already, why are you fujos so creepy?

Look with Annie most likely the reason she is in the Warrior program it because her father wanted her to join, and when you are in you cannot back off, considering the Eldians need to demonstrate an incredible level loyalty so they are not suspected of dissent and turned into titans or set on fire. Do you really think Annie wanted to be a warrior and reduce her lifespan? there is nothing to gain for her.

For me, Reiner is worse because it really doesn't matter what he believed back then, his goal was selfish and he accepts it, he wanted to be a hero and be acknowledge, this why he pushed for the mission to continue, he even became a snitch type of person to keep Annie in line, his double personality only was to keep his guilt in check.

This is something about BRA, they aren't portrayed as simple innocent, but there is a difference between an analysis of the character actions and the simplistic moral look a lot of people do.

/Delusion general/
How hilarious is it to watch gayfaggots and tumblrwhales jumps from one character to another ?
ps : anniefags are the true og

Annie's disregard for life for more trivial reasons IMO makes her worse. She'd make a human yoyo out of you just to get a cup of coffee.

Why would killing everyone make it so that it would be harder to get the coordinate? If anything if make it easier because the Warriors would be able to infiltrate Sina during the chaos.
>Chapter 78. Bert basically shoots down any negotiation with Armin and declares that everyone in the walls has to die.
Oh, you mean in the middle of a battle negotiating with the person who played the biggest part in the overall plan? I wonder why he would say such a hot headed thing. Going back to just before the battle on the wall where Reiner reveals that they are shifters, he even says "If you come with us nobody else has to die."

That just means I have a chance.

People forget the fact Armong was throwing insults back, this not being the first time.

because if the coordinate continues to refuse to reveal himself (pending BRA assumes the coordinate is still within a royal), and they just kill EVERYONE.. the coordinate would be lost via PATHs. Something they certainly would want to avoid.

>he even says "If you come with us nobody else has to die."
that's what Reiner said, and you can tell throughout the entire series that Bert did not agree with Reiner getting too fraternal with the enemy, in fact he had to deliberately snap him out of delusions more than once (even in front of Eren). It seems pretty clear Bert sure as shit wouldn't exactly agree to any of that

actually not just pending if they assume, because it still would have been in Freida

if Freida continued to refuse to come forward as the Coordinate and eventually just die as everyone else.. mission failed.

>Bert did not agree with Reiner getting too fraternal with the enemy
Bertolt got fraternal with the others as much as Reiner and Annie, he wasn't the only one in trying to go on with the mission, it was Reiner who forced them.

>Everyone die except Armin

>annie doesn't care about the people she killed
the manga and other canon material says otherwise

but then he had an easier time doing what needed to be done, and didn't start having mental breakdowns over it.

she might "care" after she does it, but I mean her less than noble reasons for doing what she did still remains the same.

crocodile tears at worst

The one who had the easiest time doing it was Annie. He had two mental breakdowns.

compared to who else? Reiner? Bert may have gotten "sad" and had some remorse but he didn't start developing split personalities like Reiner.

>Reiner charges at Eren
>he gets offpanelled like he did against Zeke
You know it's going to happen

Reiner was/is legitimately mentally unstable.

>compared to who else? Reiner?
What? No shit people cope with things differently.

The only one in snk that don't seem to be mentally unstable is Connie.

are we talking about accountability here?
>crocodile tears
do you even know what that means? Annie feeling towards her actions are not insincere.

>not insincere
MAYBE
at the end of the day all she cares about is going home. She'll stomp on me, you, your dog, anyone and anything to get back home. deep down she really doesn't care about you at all.

there are ways to cope, and developing a split personality is certainly one of the worst ways to do so I would say.

you would if your life and family were on the line?

certainly not! fuck you and your dog, I kick your dog. She's better off being more honest about being a terrible person than possibly pretending to give a fuck. "waaah I'm a complicated character I feel bad about punting that guy" booooooo

>"waaah I'm a complicated character I feel bad about punting that guy"

ok nice counter, but that's the point of the character, she even says she is a terrible person for looking out for herself, she doesn't pretend otherwise, but for her, that's what makes her the normal in a world of people who look for themselves.

>The only one in snk that don't seem to be mentally unstable is Connie
You know, that stability (after he lost all his family and his mom became an Abnormal) seems really off. I think it will be addressed soon - for example, he can go ballistic and attempt to kill MT out of revenge, thus putting SL's plan in jeopardy.

fair enough but I believe her "feeling bad" is contradictory to when we see her playing human kick ball and human yoyo.. IE: sometimes she appears to almost enjoy what she is doing.

Not them but that doesn't mean Bert didn't have to deal with the same amount of guilt as Annie or Reiner. If anything, you could argue that he had it just as bad as them because he had to take it all in without a clear coping mechanism that would allow him to alleviate the pain like Annie isolating herself and pretending not to care or Reiner developping an identity disorder.

His coping mechanism was his wanting to return home alongside Reiner and Annie.

I think those actions were her trying to throw away her humanity a become what the mission needed. Which she ultimately fails and she is captured because of that. I think the whole crystal cacoon theme is going to be a change in her character if she returns.

>returns
wishful thinking for many. the more logical step for Paradis is to kill her and acquire her memories/powers for a Paradis Loyal Agent.

yeah maybe, but more illogical things have happened like Armin getting the serum. I just think it would be a real waste to not have her in a story arc focussed on the warriors and Marley.

How would they go about getting her out of her crystal, though? Using the thunder spears would be risky since they could kill her and thus lose the power of the FT, plus they don't have anymore serum as far as we know, even if they wanted to give the power to someone else.

Armin suriving a 50 meters fall and 4th degree burns was illogical. Levi giving him the serum instead of Erwin had been foreshadowed, though.

true, unexpected things happen.. like potentailly Willy actually being the War Hammer and jobbing out.. good bye War Hammer we hardly(never) knew thee
her hardening stuff, as with everyone elses, is theoretically no stronger than the walls, and they can break those open. So Eren can probably harden himself and break her out.

yes I'm evil user, I like griffith too

Not to mention he had function lungs and internal organs after breathing in lungfulls of hot steam, where Connie coughed blood and said his throat was scorched from just breathing in a small gust

crocodile tears are made to show someone, she is shown suffering alone, I don't see what's so hard to understand

lying to herself. whatever she has to do to cope

how is hating yourself a way to cope?

elaborate

she copes by not thinking about it and just moving on and doing something, she hates because she can't just accept it that easily

nice headcanon

and what part is head canon to you? lost girls?

There's no way to save Reiner's reputation as a tough, reliable dude anymore, it's too late. He got his ass kicked at the wall, got destroyed by MT, got taken down twice in Shiganshina, and the way he behaved after meeting Eren again with the crying and immediate surrender there's no way for Reiner to be anything but a gosh dang loser.

you can lie to yourself for for a variety of reasons. convince yourself you are right, convince yourself everything will be okay, convince yourself of what you are doing, convince yourself of anything you have to to keep going.

if you lie to yourself in the guise of hating yourself, then maybe you can brush off other people judging you because "hey I already agree I suck! now excuse me while I kill you"

Lots of people lie to themselves every day to feel better.

>reputation as a tough
he never had that.
yes but none of that fit Annie character, she doesn't lie to herself.

when will he die?
>hey I already agree I suck! now excuse me while I kill you
so that's what she was thinking during the marco seen, user sure can read minds can't he

Not necessarily lie, but she wanted to believe that people viewed her as a good person. And they did, generally, but only whilst she was playing the Walldian Annie and not the Warrior Annie. She lived a lie for years.

>people viewed her as a good person
she liked that Armin saw her for a moment as a good person, she never said she was one, on the contrary, she considers herself as a terrible one. Stop pushing headcanons.

>she wanted to believe that people viewed her as a good person
wait what? NO, she never thought herself as a good person, hell she didn't care what people thoug of her,
>she was playing the Walldian Annie and not the Warrior Annie. She lived a lie for years.
you're confusing reiner with annie

Annie are you OK?

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