Why do people prefer this ending over the original ending...

Why do people prefer this ending over the original ending? I found it to be incredibly convoluted and bordering on nonsensical.

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The symbolism in this movie is more important than the suspension of disbelief.

In my opinion it still makes more sense than the last two episodes of Evangelion.

They're parts of the same ending brainlet
25&26 = Shinji in Unit 01 during instrumentality
EoE = Events before and after

This. Eva being deep is a meme, but it looks like it literally was 2deep4u OP.

>I found it to be incredibly convoluted and bordering on nonsensical.
Be more specific

>incredibly convoluted and bordering on nonsensical.
as opposed to the original ending???

In the TV ending Shinji learns to love himself and in EoE Shinji learns to accept life the way it is. The TV ending delves more into how Shinji comes to terms with his weak concept of self so it's a good parallel ending. The movie explains instrumentality better, which I find to be more compelling and important than Shinji's self worth, and also has better direction, music, more detail, etc.

They're different endings. Shinji has two completely different instrumentality experiences between the two endings.

Eoe has Thanatos and Komm. That makes it an instant win.

Truth

Heisoku no Kakudai and Migawari no Shinyuu are the best songs in EoE though

Because i prefer ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN to CONGRATULATIONS.

But it's clear that both endings are part of the same.
The overall conclusions are the same, and many scenes are reenacted oh EoE straight out of episode 26. Not to mention in episode 25, we are shown with major plot bits that also happen on "Air" (Ritsuko dead, Misato dead, Gendo telling Rei that it's time to go initiate the instrumentality, etc).
With the TV ending, they realized there'd be no time to finish how they originally envisioned the ending, and said "fuck it, let's focus on the character's minds, forget about all the sci-fi".
IIRC they originally planned to do new versions of the episodes 25 and 26 as OVAs, but then got the chance to make movies.
EoE is essential to watch after the TV series. If you prefer one ending or another, that's fine, but both are part of the same, they're not alternative of each other, they tell the same story.

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Is there a bigger rite of passage for anime fan than watching and discussing EoE?

It's worth it for that alone

youtu.be/oIscL-Bjsq4

>Is there a bigger rite of passage for anime fan than watching and discussing EoE?
Yes, the inevitable rite of passage when the anime watcher finally stops watching chinese cartoons and grows up.

>not Itsuwari no Saisei

I don't get it, is End not supposed to be Hideaki making fun of the people who wanted more action and didn't like the the finale of Eva? It seems so over the top and ridiculous to not be.

It's both, it was the original ending planned but could not be done because of budget.

>inevitable
You're here forever

>They're different endings
No they're not. 25 and 26 literally have crude production art of EoE scenes that were intended to be in the episodes before they ran out of time and money and had to wing it. Also if you thought Shinji was accepting instrumentality instead of rejecting it in the series you're a brainlet. He literally talks about how he can keep living as long as a chance of being happy remains.

No most of the plot elements on EoE were there from the beginning of the Evangelion project dossier compiled in 1993, the overall story was already finished since possibly 1991 or 92.
Same with the F.A.R, many people think it's madeup bullshit for the PS2 game, but no, it's also mentioned there on the 1993 dossier.

This. You can see EoE scenes in the episodes. EoE was always the intended ending, they just ran out of resources

There's also that part of Asuka inside the Eva-02 cockpit wearing her pilot suit upside down in a fetal position.
Last we knew from Asuka in episode 24 was that she was in a coma, but they show her inside Eva-02 instead on episode 25. People didn't know why was that until Death and Rebirth came out in 1997.

Yep

wiki.evageeks.org/Theory_and_Analysis:EoTV_vs._EoE

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the TV ending was compelling, but it only focused on Shinji and was obviously made as a result of budget constrains
EoE ties everything up much better, shows what happened to all the major characters and the world at large in the end, not to mention is much more technically impressive

even some imagery in the OP hints that the ending should have looked more like EoE (Eva 01 growing wings, tree of life etc.)

The only thing that seems to have changed is the Shinji transcending reality and the congratulations scene.

But Shinji trascends at the beginning of episode 26, when you see him naked in a fetal position and his image starts to get distorted, that's instrumentality in action.
The "congratulations" scene is when Shinji rejects intrumentality. Shinji is resting his head against Rei's lap on a sort of coral ocean bottom, and then a clear blue sky with some clouds. When Shinji tells them that even if he was hurt, he wants to go back, because these feelings were true (the same conclusions on the end of episode 26), you see a image of Shinji and most of the other characters smiling, with that blue sky behind.
Then, we are shown Shinji saying farewell to Yui, which he actually does at the end of episode 26 TV too.
What EoE added after instrumentality's end is "One More Final".

EoE is the original ending that they couldn't afford.at the time

Anno says in an interview that they are two separate endings, the series splits at episode 24. I don't know why this meme that they're the same continues.

What interview? inb4 some lousy bad translation or out of context quote.
The series doesn't split, there's nothing different, plot-wise, on both endings.

>Thus, the story of Eva would branch into two stories with the diverging point being the end of Episode Twenty-Four "The Final Messenger." The two stories each unfold differently and arrive at their own climaxes. Episode Twenty-Five and the Final Episode tell the theme directly. And the other version, Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story. It is not that one is the complete version and the other is incomplete. Just like the multiple endings of a game, two different endings were prepared for one story.

Pretty sure he's saying that they tell the same story two different ways, which is obvious.

because it's a good fucking ending
i dont hate the original ending but like ... this is how eva ends no question

>Episode Twenty-Five and the Final Episode tell the theme directly. And the other version, Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story.
Did u miss this part? It seems he's telling that the stories are same but depicted differently.

>Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story.
He's saying they tell the same story.
They are 2 different endings, yes, but it's 2 different perspectives of the same story. It's not a "bad" ending and a "good" ending.
Also I bet that translation has some errors.

stupid thread is stupid everyone knows the original run ending was made because of budget cuts and while it is enjoyable and gives a lot of insight into instrumentality it is not the canon or intended ending, end of evangelion is god

>The two stories each unfold differently and arrive at their own climaxes.

You're a complete idiot if you can't tell how different the endings are, they have vastly different conclusions and tone to them.

Its not 2 different perspectives. It's 2 completely different endings.

>The two stories each unfold differently and arrive at their own climaxes

End is not even an expansion of the series — the philosophical posits are identical, and the psychology of the characters is explored in the same way — but simply a means to give some body to Evangelion’s hated ending, in that the viewer now sees the physical effects of things the show merely implied: a change, really, that’s not necessarily preferable or better than the original (as Anno has insisted), and little more than a means to sate one portion of his fan-base. For this reason, End is less ballsy than the original, and pretty much devolves to a solid action flick, even as the animation, itself, is better than the original’s, and a number of its images quite superb.

>their own climaxes
That's right, the climaxes are different because the point of view and scenes are different.
>Episode 25 and Episode 26, depict the same, following the story.
>the same, following the story
2 different endings, 2 different perspectives, 1 story.

>they have vastly different conclusions
So tell me the different conclusions.
"different tone" doesn't mean it's a different story.

Yes. They're both telling the same story however. They arrive at their own climaxes because One More Final takes place AFTER Epsidoe 26, which ends with Shinji rejecting Instrumentality. They're two sides of the same coin.

What does deep even mean? Like... Eva has a message that you can understand, about growing up, moving out of your shell etc. What kinda themes does a show need to have to be 'deep'?

>What kinda themes does a show need to have to be 'deep'
Means it needs to make you actually think about it. Movies like the Avengers and all that assorted cape shit are superficial because you watch it and enjoy the action but there isn't much presented that requires much thought. It's "good guys goo,d bad guys bad, here's some action scenes". Evangelion has depth because there is clearly more going on underneath the surface. There is of course the main plotline of NERV vs the Angels, but also going on is a character study of the 4 main characters, Shinji, Rei, Asuka and Misato.

Basically it has depth because people are still discussing it over 20 years after it first aired. Because it's interesting, and thought provoking and the themes the series looks at, loneliness, anxiety, isolation, fear of other people and what they think of us, they're just as relevant today as they were back then, if not more so.

Literally any other theme but that. An otaku would rather choose the safety of "entertainment" where he or she can only lose time, than the risk and anxiety involved with having to satisfy another person.

Yeah, I understand, what I'm trying to get is people that say Eva isn't deep. Like, it's trying to convey a message, what else is needed?
I don't understand. I think it's ironic that the target message is missed by a lot of people and they hypocritically buy the Asuka bodypillows, doesn't really change anything.

Ironic that Evangelion ended up appealing most to the crowd that it portrays as subhuman scum.

Yeah and Holocaust porn is popular in Israel.

I've noticed something different at my place. The kind of person who identifies using anime and goes to meetups and cons and karaoke and whatnot hasn't Eva and stereotypes whoever did (Oh, you're one of those).
People who mention Eva fall into a different group, usually someone who's into politics and philosophy, with a side order of perversion, transhumanism and conspiracy theories. They also usually got a very specific family background, either mil-ind or stem, also leading to oh, you're one of those.

>they couldn't afford at the time
that's a meme they keep doing over and over. Anna said the exact same shit when he started the Rebuild serious

>Anna said the exact same shit
A and O aren't even close on a keyboard.
Is there something you're not telling us? Did she call you out for acting like Shinji?

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also
>rebuild serious

source needed, it is well known that eva's budget was pulled off and reduced after ep17, in fact Tojji was supposed to die but the network didn't approve.

I think it was time constraint instead of budget. There was the gas attack in Tokyo that meant episode 25 needed to be scrapped for resembling it too closely.

He calls it "technical limitations" which basically means no moni.

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He says technical limitations about the original Operation Yashima not no money.

Yea he didn't have the technology to make the Operation Yashima back then. Now he has CG to create stuff like that for cheap

>2 DIFFERENT STORIES

fucking retards

Everything that happens in End of Eva doesn't occur in the TV series. TV series has a happy conclusion with Shinji learning to accept himself and live with his friends. EoE ends with the apocalypse and destruction of the entire world, then finally him crying over Asukas body after he realizes what he's done and that he'll never be able to connect with anybody

He cried because he felt the pain of reality again

EoE ends with the hope of a Rebuild™ing of the world were Shinji will try to connect to people instead of just running away.

Yes, he realized his mistake
There is no hope at the end of EoE, only despair

There's her. Who the hell needs hope anyway?

You just don't get it.