Remember when Fate only had 7 classes? Good times

Remember when Fate only had 7 classes? Good times.

It had 8 even in the original, but just adding more is stupid, yes.

Read the VN, dumb secondary.

It was never 7 from the begining

What the fuck is a Foreigner class?

It's more engrish, the intent is to represent something from outside this world, like lovecraft shit, but since japs can't into english, you get foreigner.

God this franchise is retarded.

its some shitskin loli with tentacle
at least bitch is cute

How is that Engrish in any way? They're a foreigner to the world.

Outsider is the term DnD uses, I assume it was meant to be that considering Fate's tabletop RPG roots.

I hate fate

>mooncancer
the fuck is this

Why is that even a class?

BB

I just ignore the space computer wizard shit, it's too dumb to even contemplate

Because Nasu just wrote some Lovecraftian stuff into Fate/

How else would you categorize eldritch characters?

Foreigner = Lovecraft
ORT when?

By not putting them in the game

Could you explain the relations between the 7 main classes? Why does Lancer beat Archer? Why is the Rider-Caster-Assassin Triangle set up the way it is?

how so?
it makes sense in every way

I have liked TM since 2009 and I dont even play FGO
But this makes sense, you need to spice up the formula somehow. and introducing more classes makes sense then - more "heroes"

Think of something that indicates that they are from a completely different realm (like outworlder or something), instead of making it sound like an exchange student.

No real reason, they just needed every class to be strong against 1 class and weak to another for their game to make sense.

>Moon Cancer

a pretty good description of this series.

>you need to spice up the formula somehow
How about stop milking this "Holy Grail War"

Lancer beats Archer because the original Lancer (Cu Chulainn) had divine protection from arrows, as do a lot of other Lancers

There's no real reason for the Rider/Caster/Assassin triangle though.

>A class specific to the AI known as BB. She who attempted to invade the core of SE.RA.PH, this title has been bestowed to what she is. An error in the system. The AI that rejects the system. The Cancer of Moon Cell.

It's really stupid. It's too specific to add new servants into.

I thought that the faction and servantsx2 idea of Fate Apo was a nice way to spice things up. The execution could have been a bit better though.

The only milking I want is a Saber spinoff and one about the first war
Too bad they dont seem to belive Tsukihime can make them any money...

Yeah but nips can't into english. Outsider would have been the best choice.

Gameplay

Should have been named something more like "beyonder" instead.

>knight classes
Lancers get protection from arrows

>cavalry classes
Completely inverted from every instance of a conflict between them from the original fate or zero, but essentially territory creation > presence concealment > riding > territory creation

That's literally what FGO is though, it's pure heroic spirit wank with grails just serving as summoning catalysts

Lovecraft described eldritch things as from the outside, or the other, all the time but I don't remember foreigner. Except that he hated foreigners. Outsider would have been so much more fitting.

Saber beats Lancer because swords are faster and can be used to parry in melee combat.
Lancer beats Archer because lances have smaller frontal area, making dodging projectiles easier. Also can be thrown, reducing distance.
Archer beats Saber because of larger range, duh.

Rider beats Caster because animals naturally have higher magic resistance.
Caster beats Assassin because their clairvoyance means they cannot be ambushed.
Assassin beats Rider because the assassin can focus first on killing the weaker ridden animal, before killing the rider, who is useless without his ride.

Berserker wrecks everyone through sheer force but their recklessness also leaves themselves vulnerable
Shielder gives no fucks to anyone.

The other classes can go fuck themselves.

Riders are often generals and represent conquest and armies. So you might consider it as a Rider being able to ride down a Caster before they have time to cast their spells, while an Assassin is... well, an assassin. A vast army or tricked out chariot isn't much use if you get a knife in the gut while you're in the bath the night before.

Caster beats Assassin since they have Territory Creation and assassin can't sneak in and kill them
Rider can probably siege Caster's fortress with his cavalry
Assassin can assassinate Rider while he's riding around

Avenger was the 8th Servant class that you learn about in HF/HA

HF and CCC were the best because they didn't focus on DUDES SERVANTS LMAO

Berserkers suck donkey dick in FGO

>deal 50% more damage
>take 100% more damage
>have shit defensive stats
It's not uncommon for a Berserker to die in the first turn if they get focused and they don't contribute enough to justify it

>look we could come up with something new
>or just change the names of everything and do a color change so we can sell more toys

Which path did Type Moon cancer take?

What gets me is that the more retarded this franchise becomes, the more popular it gets.

>MoonCancer
Is this real?

Can go wrong if you please everyone. Even if someone hated the idea, someone else would love it so it evens out.

but you could 'spice up' things with shit that you already have. instead of adding retarded new classes you could, for example, add more interactions between the already ridiculous amount of characters you have, and change the HGW setting a little like with F/A. did people seriously ask for more classes? did someone have a problem with the system as it was?
>but muh eldritch lolis
just put it in avenger. not like that class has any meaning to begin with

So before hollow ataraxia?

The first one but no one will believe it even after babylonia gets translated

Yep, it's a Fate/Extra thing, which Nasu considers the peak of the series.

>13 classes
>foreigner
>mooncancer

Just put them in avenger. Avenger should be the go-to class when something doesn't fit with the system rules.
We only need the 8 original classes + ruler because muh Jeanne
Also what the fuck is alterego?

They're pretty great for speed up grinding, often wrecking entire enemies before they can strike back.

>alterego
Exactly what you think it is.

>change the names
So who's the guy in the pic? Is he not Kotomine?

>Not giving us the second and third holy war
>Not giving us fate/apo but gud
>Not giving us more things like prisma illya where the rules are changed and spiced up

Atleast we have f/strange fake

Would Velber corrupted Mathman and Liz be MoonCancer, Foreigner, or their original classes?

He is Kotomine

but why?

...

let me guess, now they can make alters of every fucking character with no need to do the whole 'dark armor and pale' thing, which in turn allows to get an extra board bait for an specific waifufag, which in turn is more money for the rolls AND even more saberfaces?
I swear to fucking god

Pretty much. You figured it all out.

Don't forget based ruler Sherlock Holmes.

>MoonCancer
Looks like Nasu wrote himself into the series LMAO

So, can we have a HGW without any of the original classes?

Reminder that Sakura literally has 1.5 classes of servants all to herself

Only if you include another two not-implemented classes like Gunner. Avenger was summoned in the 3rd war

Wasn't the point of the HGW that it was a disaster that should never have happened?

Where is the Beast class from Prototype?

The original alteregos are the Sakura variants from CCC you dumb mong

8 if you count avenger. He was summoned at least once before the fifth holy grail war.

Only boss characters have it so far
It's basically inverse alterego though so it'd probably take the same spot

Pretty sure there were more than 7 classes since the beginning, but the 7 in F/SN were the standard ones

So far
Beast I: Strong vs saber,archer,lancer , weak to rider , caster , assassin
Beast II: Neutral vs everything
Beast III: Weak to Alter Ego
All beasts are weak to Angra Mainyu with his bond CE

F/SN had two Archers and two Assassins.

F/Z was the 'normal' Grail War with only seven servants.

Foreigner countering Berserkers kind of make sense.

Berserkers are mad.
Lovecraftian shit are the cause of madness.

F/SN had Avenger too

>Ruler
>MoonCancer
>Alterego
>Foreigner
>Shielder
>Savior
>Beast

Who wins?

Get ready for Mahou shoujo Fairy queen Altria-chan

>In an alternative history.[4] Altria Pendragon did not pick up the sword from the stone, but was instead cared for by the fairfolk. Taught the secrets of the fairy letters, Fairy queen Altria-chan wields the forgotten magic of nature and the ancient staff of the wild.[5] Altria-chan can be summoned as lancer, archer, caster and rider.

Foreigner and Beast are world threat tier. Saviors are probably insanely OP too. The other classes are outclassed.

Lancer beats archer cuz Cu beat Archer.
Archer made saber back down. (and cuz of lancer-archer compatibility)
Saber beats lancer cuz Saber tanked Cu.

Caster is strong against assassin cuz Medea basically owns Kojiro.

The rider interactions are just cuz they needed to fill it in really.

Alterego's beat foreigners cuz that's basically the mooncell's job IIRC. I'm pretty sure avenger beats ruler cuz Jeanne/Alter.

Oh and berserker is strong against everything because they've all done a lot of damage and they take extra cuz gamebalance.

>that's basically the mooncell's job IIRC
Mooncell job is just to record shit, nothing more. The Alteregos were created by B.B. to do her plans.
>I'm pretty sure avenger beats ruler cuz Jeanne/Alter.
Jeanne Alter was a rule herself, if anything it will be angrymanjew corrupting the holy grail.

You forgot Beast IV: weak against tits, being throw out of windows and Tamamo.

IIRC, there's a little Medea's monologue in FSN about how Medusa had a potential to wreck her whole setup easily.

But they're cosmic exchange students.

Abi is a good girl.

It's not her fault she was born as the Dunwich Horror.

>Berserkers suck donkey dick in FGO
SEKAI
DE
ICHIBAN
TSUYOI

Isn't that why she killed her in UBW?

Carter, shut the fuck up.

The Knight classes are required, I think.

That's only in the Fuyuki system.

The whole of Orleans was like "oh Alter is the perfect counter to Jeanne" she was just a ruler cuz they didn't think they were gonna do anything with her at the time beyond that, she was gonna be a welfare but then she got popular so they did her up, put her in the proper class and boom Avenger. Her and manjew were put in either together or at the same time so it was the avenger inclusion into the game at all IIRC. Before then it just didn't exist in the code, an shit. So the second she was actually put in she's avenger.

and IIRC extella added that whole "actually mooncell fights aliens too now"

Oh shit yeah, that might be a thing.

But yeah, basically the trees started out with memes of "well archer has bad compatibility with Cu" and "lol Medea owns Kojiro" They go back to FSN for a lot of things. The reason you get 5 random cards is cuz servants don't always do what you want them to do.

TypeMoonCancer

>Saber beats Lancer because swords are faster and can be used to parry in melee combat.
It's the complete opposite in reality though. The range advantage of spears demolishes swordies.

But she's not the Dunwich Horror

Fighter class when?

>Zerochilren tears
Every single thread

>Her and manjew were put in either together or at the same time so it was the avenger inclusion into the game at all IIRC
It was Ed(his own event) -> Angry Manjew(Zero event) -> Jeanne Alter (Da Vinci event)
They also changed their plans with avenger, because IIRC the original leak had them weak to everything but rulers, instead of the neutral to everything, strong to rulers and weak to cancer.
>and IIRC extella added that whole "actually mooncell fights aliens too now"
Is again complicated (or convoluted)
IIRC, the Mooncell initially didn't fight back, it was only when that faggot Gaia put a Holy Sword user to kill the Earth Sefar out of commision that the Mooncell put the Moon Sefar in the recycle bin in the Dark Side. And then the Hakunos took over as Administrators, so is not the exact same Mooncell.

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Berserkers are strong BECAUSE they are mad. Making berserkers go madder will only make them stronger. So, if the main draw of foreigners is causing madness, then berserkers should be the counter to foreigners instead.

He doesn't want to make it too obvious.