>You can't become a hero while quirkless, it's too dangerous!
>Gadgets exist in the setting and can be made by teenagers
>Some spinoff is made about a quirkless guy fighting against villains
>Aizawa is a hero, yet his quirk doesn't physically enhance him at all
>Best hero school of the country accept a guy with a tail and a guy who is like fifty centimeters tall
Why do I feel like the author think I'm a dumbshi that won't notice incoherencies?
Chalk it up to Deku's blindness to other career paths.
Police, Special Forces, Military, Fire fighter, Civil Rescuing Organisations, Product Safety, Food Safety, ... so many other paths to be useful to society. Not everyone can be a hero anyway.
Bnh is for people who think they've matured past shounenshit when in reality its a more dumbe down version.
If it turns out that Aoyama really is quirkless then Dekufags will utterly get BTFO
Not to mention how Mirio stood against one of the most dangerous villains for quite a long time without any quirks.
Fucking pathetic excuse for a shit MC
>Chalk it up to Deku's blindness to other career paths.
No, that has nothing to do with this. There's nothing wrong with Deku wanting to become a hero, but if the author go out of his way to have the #1 hero literally says that it's impossible to become a quirkless hero, then I would expect that rule to not be broken.
In BNHA it seems the only thing preventing quirklesses people to become hero is everyone being retarded.
>alternate history
>deku becomes a tier 1 operator
>retires and uses his solid snake tier training to become a BNHA batman
>busts heads without a quirk
Well Horikoshi wanted Deku to be quirkless at first but the editor convinced him it was a bad idea.
This is what I originally wanted. Instead he ate a hair and got powers.
I don't get why Editors get so much power in the japanese manga industry when they actively contribute to making a concept worse.
That same editor also wanted him to cut All Might out of the manga because he didn't like the design.
I can understand that, and BNHA is popular so I can't argue it killed the serie, but you can really see how forced the whole thing is.
It would work if every student at school should've had great quirks, Aizawa and Knuckleduster didn't exist, baby girl didn't exist, and so on.
Editors are there to make sure a series makes money and doesn’t flop.
They know what the autistic shonenfags will gobble up so they make sure the stories have those traits.
It's because he was a bitch that couldn't even stand up to a bully, not because he was quirkless. I bet knuckleduster didn't take nobodies shit, even as an infant.
My problem is not Deku having a quirk, my problem is the manga showing people with no quirk or useless quirk standing to villains when you have All Might, the number one literally saying to Deku that it was irrealistic to become a hero without quirk and he needed to get back with reality.
He tried to stand up to Bakugou younger but he always got his shit beaten
You're assuming that just because All Might said it, that means it's correct.
Yes, exactly that.
I hoenstly don't know how Sup Forums can defend BNHA, Hori reminds me a lot of Slott from Marvel, both treat their readers like retards and get away with it.
Tell that to Dragonball Z with Toriyama's retarded ideas. He originally wanted Android 19 and 20 be the big bads of the Cell arc. His editor told that that was a bad idea. Then he made 17 and 18 and his editior pushed him to make someone better as an arc big bad. Eventually, Cell was born. Toriyama originally wasn't going to have a Perfect Cell form and only Semi-Perfect was going to remain. If the editors didn't push him to do better things, then DBZ would be much different.
The reason why people didn't like Buu arc was because it was all Toriyama doing whatever he wanted. He pushed his editors away to take full control of the story and Buu arc showed a decrease in popularity compared to Cell arc.
It's about status, my friend. You have to remember that we are talking about a comic made in Japan, a country that works on top of hierarchies. Not having a quirk is like not having a degree. Quirkless are like hikikomoris.
Why didn’t he like it? Does he hate western designs, why did he hire a westaboo in the first place?
Fuck me, everything post Cell is utter garbage.
Then how come Deku was allowed to apply to UA in the first place?
Horikoshi's editor was just a retard.
Because he had a quirk (OfA).
This is why the Vigilante spin off will always be better than the main story.
He only got OfA the day before the entrance exam,he took the supplementaries class to get to UA without an issue.
And AM's speech makes no mention of status.
Where exactly are you getting the "status" thing from?
It's Naruto all over again - outcast underdog, except he has superstrong power. And likely an epic heritage, Deku will be the first OfA user's great-grandson, AfO's clone or something.
Because it's that clever little "Oh, legally we're not allowed to discriminate so we're gonna pretend to be equal opportunity " He'd be allowed to apply but never accepted. It's like the Tokushu Buraku Chimei Sōkan. When it was made illegal to discriminate against prospective employees because they were burakumin, companies started circulating a book that listed all burakumin addresses so they could be checked against the addresses of applicants. This kind of stuff is deeply ingrained into their society, but because it's incredibly fucked up it doesn't look pretty to the rest of the world, so they learnt to pretend to have equality. Similarly, with quirkless people being a minority, no one would even consider actually accepting a quirkless person into UA. It's not that being quirkless means you can't be a hero, everyone's opinions are just coloured by the prejudices of their society. Sometimes, even good people can't escape the discrimination of their eras.
>He'd be allowed to apply but never accepted
But you get accepted by UA based on your performance in a written and physical exam, no?
And come to think of it, apart from dumb kids bullying, I've never seen a quirkless person being treated defavorably by a character that isn't an antagonist.
Sound like you're just trying to defend bad writing.
Are adults allowed to use quirks? If not then everyone would seem quirkless, you couldn't know whether your neighbour is truly quirkless or just a peacefully living guy uninterested in heroics, but who possesses strong emiter quirk. I'm more surprised nobody bullies the mutants.
I don't disagree that it's bad writing, but it's more fun trying to come up with explanations for it than just call it bad when we all already know that. So, for my rebuttal.
The exam is already incredibly biased, we've seen that with Shinso and how he couldn't get into the Hero Course. It's possible that Deku could have made it into the general course, as Shinso could do it. But still, quirkless people can't really defeat those robots, unless they had a ton of gadgets and specialised training. Also it's possible that the higher ups can veto applicants, though I dunno why they'd do it, so I'll give you that one.
As for discrimination against quirkless people, you're right, because it's a form of discrimination. Only assholes actively and openly discriminate against quirkless people. However, like real life discrimination, there can be plenty of systemic discrimination built into the society they live in. So many people have quirks, people go through life just assuming everyone's got one. You can see at the start of the story what a shock it was that Deku didn't have a quirk. Until he found out he was quirkless, he fully expected to get one.
All Might is a hypocrite
>but it's more fun trying to come up with explanations for it
Why not, but then that's not the subject, and you're essentially just writing fanfiction.
>no chapters of Venom Deku enacting cloak&dagger ops on villains/bad heroes
>his autistic quirk note mumbling won't be put to use
>we won't see Deku agonize on his options for EDC
Hori could even mimic star wars by maiming CQCboi giving him a cyborg arm thus expanding his gadget usage
True, but I'm not the person you originally replied to. My first post was the "it's like the burakumin" one. I've been essentially just writing fanfiction this whole conversation. This IS the subject for me.
You must be the kind of people who refuse to read Superman because they never explain why the guy wears underwear over his costume, right?
>Thinking it's underwear
Found the retard.
Speaking of DC, why does Supergirl have the huge boob window? It doesn't look aerodynamic and when she flies around she'll catch insect and shit in her cleavage. Also breadcrumbs.
Artists who designed her were horny.
It doesn't matter what is or isn't correct, what matters is Deku's impression of what's actually possible for him which has pretty much been based on others' permission. What he really wanted from AllMight was for him to call rank on every other naysayer in his life.
>Another one of this thread
For god’s fucking sake.
Riddle me this, user.
Aizawa doesn’t have physically-enhancing quirk, but his entire strategy and technique hinges on his quirk anyway. Same as Stain
Ojiro’s is “just a tail” but that’s effectively one huge, versatile, extra limb, and that sure beats having nothing at all. Same with Kendou(huge hands)
>Gadgets can be made by teenagers
Yes, and that makes everyone or a large portion of people able to use and access it and that’s why gadget-exclusive hero doesn’t work in this universe.To you make the MC as the only one who can access the gadgets (the so-called gadget-exclusive-hero), you have to introduce a bigger bullshit (he’s a super-genius, so much so that he’s the only one capabale to make such gadgets or utilize it; he’s unimaginably rich; etc)
I haven’t even got into how superpower/quirks are literally called “personality/individuality” in nips, and it’s been stated over and over that it’s “an extension of your physical capability”, and the MC is the only one we’ve seen that doesn’t have one. Being powerless in this universe is basically worse than a cripple since you’re missing something unique that is yours alone but everyone has
Even when your superpower is complete shit that doesn’t warrant a hero work or any kind work, it’s still something that you and you alone can do, and it’s something that is part of you since the beginning
>I'm a dumbshi
Because you are
Wonder if we'll ever get a quirkless villian
Supergirl doesn't.
Power Girl does.
She can create a vacuum in her cleavage by pressing her Kryptonian pecs together.
It's strong enough to warp steel.
I want to stuff Momo full of delicious, heavy, fattening food to augment her Quirk!
Damn it why couldnt I live in a timeline where this exists?
>You can't become a hero while quirkless, it's too dangerous!
This is an opinion offered variously by a) a doctor who is presumably concerned with Deku's safety... when he was like 4 b) Bakugo on a regular basis to put Deku down, and finally c) All-Might, again concerned for Deku's safety and trying to parcel out his own baggage
So it's not the most reliable stance to found your argument that the story is inconsistent on.
You know I was initially worried about the whole 'inheriting the ultimate power' cliche, but it's been handled so well that I have trouble imagining the series without it now.
Oh, I meant the Power Girl (too many blonde superheroines) and it's nice that she can bend steel beams with her breasts, but still, it has no purpose (unless is right, and the artists forget to jerk before they started drawing), unlike Momo's or Midnight's revealing outfits that work well with their powers.
That would be a tragedy.
> Why do I feel like the author think I'm a dumbshi that won't notice incoherencies?
Its almost like this series was written for non-really-a-lot-caring teens and dumb kids. Read a real book if you want something with quality.
If you want to mention shit on it call on the asspulls, convenient shits and other cliche crap that this manga is so full of.
> O MY WISHING ENERGY
That is a good point to bring up.
>3 separates opinion in the first chapters
>Intro chapters end with Deku being offered a quirk and being clearly told that this quirk will allow him to reach for his dream
What more would it take?
>but it's been handled so well
No it didn't, bnhatard.
Deku would have died several times if not for his quirk being busted, vigilantes is not cannon or made by the original author. The example you made about Aisawa is stupid.
>Yes, and that makes everyone or a large portion of people able to use and access it
So why don't they?
>that's why gadget-exclusive hero doesn’t work in this universe
You have made no argument. This is like saying that since everyone can get guns, then cops using guns can't work.
>To you make the MC as the only one who can access the gadgets
When was this said?
>you have to introduce a bigger bullshit
No you don't, you're just making a strawman argument.
>Being powerless in this universe is basically worse than a cripple
Oh wow, I can't move small objects over a room while my mom can, clearly, my life is worthless.
>it’s still something that you and you alone can do
What does it have to do with the thread? Sound like you just wanted to end your post by posting a simple fact that is completely unrelated.
> Aizawa doesn’t have physically-enhancing quirk, but his entire strategy and technique hinges on his quirk anyway.
Tell that to the mutant quirk users he beat easily retard.
> Ojiro’s is “just a tail” but that’s effectively one huge, versatile, extra limb, and that sure beats having nothing at all.
You can have gadgets you know? Like...more useful gadgets than a " huge, versatile, extra limb".
>Deku would have died several times if not for his quirk being busted
Meh, obviously if you write a story about Deku as a quirkless guy the plot would change too. Like when people in OP threads say that Luffy should've had another DF power no one points out that then, the story would end at Skypea.
>vigilantes is not cannon
Source?
>You can have gadgets you know? Like...more useful gadgets than a " huge, versatile, extra limb".
This.
The argument that "then you're fucked if Ojiro also bring a gadget" is retarded because it imply a fight is simply decided by the number of stuff you bring. Like what about trainign with using thoses gadgets? Or customize the one you already have?
>B-but then everyone would have gadgets!
Gadgets are already a thing in BNHA and you don't see every hero carrying the complete Batman arsenal.
Fire Brigade of Flames has a character like that, a normal man who goes against supernatural beings and get by by being shown to train hard everyday and to carry a lot more gear than the characters who can afford not to.
>Izuku! You're not yourself anymore after your surgeries!
>exactly Ochako I've improved
Symbol Of Righteousness Attained
People keep saying gadgets won't be enough to be a hero but what if Deku BECAME a gadget
>Just now realizing Hoshi's a hack.
He's a reverse Kishimoto in the sense that Naruto started out as low level magic ninjas shadowrunning and trying to cheat, trick or outplay their opponents with the limited ninja trickery they had and ended up a chosen one powerwanking mess where Godlike beings with EYES or UNLIMITED CHAKRA RESERVES are on a different plane when compared with everyone else.
In BnHA, you're supposed to believe there's a bunch of Godlike individuals that are simply born Godlike, but then you realize everyone, every single person, can pull off inhuman feats like the ones you see in your average shounen and quirks don't mean shit when a lanklet with no nose and a bunch of knifes can take on a successful eugenics project that can freeze entire buildings and weave blazing infernos, a guy with engines in his legs that can go faster than people can see, plus a guy that can cave in giant robots and destroy buildings with a single punch no sweat while slicing clean through icicles 6 feet wide like this is MGR
For God sake, Ochako's only power is removing gravity of what she touches, otherwise she's a normal 15 year old, yet she can tank Bakugou's explosions repeatedly like a champ without even taking damage to her eardrums
2 transes are known so far and only one was a villain, and there are no gay characters officially in this manga. Nice shitpost though.
Holy shit. Just read illegals and its so much better than BnHa in just 4 chapters. Why is this?
I can't believe people actually vote for Deku and Ochako. I can understand her wanting to marry him but...
>Why is this?
Because nobody cares about the manga and you're just saying this to make us read that non-canon fanfic. There's literally no way it can be better, based on the premise alone.
Why do people think you can just use any gadget legally?
I can't wait for Vigilantes to get cancelled due to shit sales
I don't think it is better like these other hipsters but I don't want it to be cancelled.
Friendly reminder that Itsuka will win the Dekubowl.
Are you suggesting that this Superhero Shounen series is... somewhat loose with realism?
>it's a "Sup Forums can't let a story be a story" episode
This is why these threads belong on Sup Forumsmblr
>quirkless people with gadgets
>Just let a story be a story mannnn
>Who cares if it sucks, just let it be a story!
The absolute state of BnHa cucks
This it's fucking retarded for heroes to rely solely on their quirks. They should you use gadgets and tools to make up for weakness in their abilities.
>non-canon
What?
>Clearly the same universe
>Same characters as in the main manga
>Nothing in Vigilantes contradict the events of BNHA
How is this non-canon? What's Hori's stance on this?
Why do people not use guns and missiles in this manga. I bet I could fuck up half these fools with a machine gun.
What do you mean solely?
Plenty of people enhance their quirks with gadgets
Bakugo for examples hurts himself a lot less if he uses his grenade arms for big explosions
If 80% of the population has quirks and 100% of heroes has quirks then gadgets are only really used to enhance quirks or make up for flaws of quirks.
>I have a gun
>But this villain here also have a gun and he can like jump pretty high, I guess.
>Oh well, I guess I am dead, better commit suicide
Great writing, user.
Go ahead and become a superhero in our world then
Here you only have to deal with niggers with guns
In the BnHA universe you would have to deal with bulletproof niggas with guns.
Both villains and heroes do. Snipe uses guns and Mustard and the yakuza members do as well. It's personal preference.
But of course you don't read the manga so you wouldn't know.
Sound like it's a good thing that BNHA setting allow gadgets to exist and be used by a protagonist then. So thoses gadgets could be used in interesting ways to defeat villains.
Like a gun that blows a sleeping gas. Or the all-time classic "gun that shoots rope that automatically tangle themselves on the nearest rogue".
>When Black Clover beats you in rankings
Wtf bros, I thought this was the new one piece! It wasn't supposed to be like this...
Well, they do user, the purpose of their costumes is improving their quirk performance with gadgets, like Deku's boots that protect his legs, Uraraka's stuff to prevent her from puking, Bakugou's nitroglycerin storage, etc.
But still i think they need fucking bullet proof vests and tactical tools and helmets, even if they are lame.
Yeah, stretch things like that, you are doing great! Now gtfo and never post again.
>Deku's boots that protect his legs
That's not a gadget, that's just standard protective gear.
That is already incredibly unbelievable for batman
Who is incredibly rich
Is an adult
Is super intelligent to the point of a joke
And who lives in a universe with only a handful superheroes
Deku is a kid
Has no money
Isn't super intelligent
And lives in a universe with 80% of the population having some kind of superpower
A lot more in his generation
But you get the idea of my post i assume?
How is this stretching thing? If anything you're trying really hard to pretend that a quirkless heroes can't exist, and you've given no actual reason as to why.
>Muh Batman
Funny how you always bring the discussion back to him for no reason.
>I-it's unbelievable
Baby girl showed off several of her gadgets in the festival, I guess it doesn't count?
I'd like this manga if they killed off Bakugou and made Deku manly as fuck instead of a little bitch.
Baby girl produces gadgets for people who already have quirks
That would widen the gap between quirk users and those without quirks
Find me a reason Deku is the only one who can use gadgets like batman.
They can exist, but they will always be behind people with quirks, which is lame AND extremely dangerous, except if you are KD tier, and with that i assume that you didn't even know who is KD, therefore you are just a tourist shitposting here, and so this is the last (You) you will get from me.
>Find me a reason Deku is the only one who can use gadgets like batman.
Why? I literally never said that, find me the post where I said that Deku should be the only one with gadgets.
So how would he compete?
The POINT of All Might saying that, and Deku immediately proving him wrong, is that you DON'T need to have a power to be a hero. Deku seeing Mirio fight without his quirk solidified that.
by always fighting ennemies he have intel on, and changing his gadgets to adapt to them
>The POINT of All Might saying that, and Deku immediately proving him wrong,
Deku didn't prove him wrong
Deku followed his training program and then got given OfA
Which is more autistic, a person enjoying something at face value or a person comparing it to a million other things that have little to do with it?
>but they will always be behind people with quirks
Why? This is like saying that because you can fly and have a gun you're going to be able to take on a SWAT operative. Yes, having a quirk gives you an advantage, but you're purposely ignoring all the training involved, the natural talents the characters can have, the difference in gear, gear quality and preptime, the difference in how both characters start the fight, the setting of the fight itself, and probably a few others things that actually are necessary to plan a fight.
>Deku didn't prove him wrong
he literally jumped in to save Bakugou and All Might came back to him and apologized for underestimating him.
A person who just wants to enjoy something while shutting their brain off and then going to a discussion board and telling people to also shut their brains off and not discuss the flaws
>is that you DON'T need to have a power to be a hero.
>Proceed to give him power so he can be a hero.
>Just turn your brain off bro! At least you're having fun!
You should read Slott comic, you'd like them.
He never proved him wrong, what are you talking about? All he proved was that quirks don't bestow the ability to be brave, which is so self-evident it shouldn't need explaining. All Might still had to step in and do the actual heroing.
Could Luffy beat All Might prime?