What's the general consensus on the rebuild's?

Are they shit?

>general

Fuck off.

Yes, they’re shit. Also more time has passed since the release of 1.0 and now than between EoE and 1.0, and they’re STILL not done yet

What went wrong?

I don't know about the general consensus, but they became shit. I am wondering how Anno's gonna finish this off, if he ever decides to.

4.0 will have to last like 5 hours in order to make a decent ending.

Yes. Did you really need to ask?

only good thing is the eyepatch

I like them. 3.0 dragged out the gay shit some, and comes across as a "fuck the Shinji" at times. But they're still good.

Oh come on, guys. The overtly homosexual piano scene was fucking fantastic.

In general?

1 is ok
2 is divisive, we had people who went "not muh eva" and people who thought this is the masterpiece.
3 is clusterfuck.

>Are they shit?

Yes

I liked the 1st one, especially the redone Ramiel fight. The 2nd one showed promise but ultimately was shit.
And the third? well what a fucking trainwreck that was, all 3 had great soundtracks though

Yes. I hope Anno fucking dies before finishing 3.0+1.0

>What went wrong?

Making a sequel to series that already had a strong definitive ending that capped off with a movie called END OF.

Just for starters though. there are other problems.

The third one was ridiculous.

When Eva became a brand, it lost everything that makes it, well, Eva.
In Jurassic Park (the book), one of the characters finds out that all animals are versioned while searching through documentation. His idea was that, while trying to develop and iterate the most appealing animal that can be made, the company lost track of what it was doing. You can end up losing the original formula without deliberately trying to, and blindly chasing profit only helps in doing so.

Changed too much in 2.0, then decided he didn't like it and wiped the slate clean with a shitty timeskip that left everyone unhappy and confused.

Proceeded to spend 3.0 watching two twinks play piano instead of doing anything of consequence for 3/4 of the film.

No creator baffles me more than Anno, a man that resents his fans for wanting more Eva, while shamelessly pandering to that very desire. It's as though he wanted the experience to be as jarring and nonsensical as possible so that he wouldn't have to make any more.

1.0 is decent for a recap movie
2.0 is horrendous, they changed the trademark meaty heavy fighting with choppy imaishi-esque bullshit and threw all of the subtlety out of the window
3.0 is meh, the atmosphere and world building were very captivating though

On the rebuild's what?

1.0 is only alright, the fight against Ramiel was cool but otherwise it's just the first 6 episodes in HD so it comes down to your preferences.
2.0 mixed things up and besides some weird things like the whole existence of Mari it was pretty good. I would say the CG didn't age very well though.
3.0 is completely garbage. Nothing of relevance happens, nothing makes any sense and the CG is horrendous.

The only satisfying eva endging was in manga. Fuck the rebuilds and fuck the original ending.

>a man that resents his fans for wanting more Eva
Stop spreading this bullshit myth.

>The only satisfying eva endging was in manga.

I wish it all had just been a remake like 1.0 but with hand drawn mechs.
2 was a terrible reiwank and 3 a clusterfuck.

Thank god i'm a reifag, 2.0 was the best thing to come out of the rebuilds

I liked all of them.

1.0 is mediocre
2.0 is bad
3.0 is literally the worst anime movie I've ever seen

>I am a reifag
>So i like the movie that drastically fucks up her character
I will never understand how any Rei or Asukafag can like 2.0
I suppose you just like her design and want a generic "~uguu" personality on her

They're shit, especially 3.0 and anyone who thinks otherwise is either a fujoshit or a faggot

Yeah, there wasn't enough Mari.

The third one got me interested in the series again, for different reasons. Mark my words, 3+1 will end with Gendo extracting Yui from unit-01 core.

yeah, they're shameless cashgrabs
waifufags don't watch anime for the characters, they treat it like softcore porn

They're all unecessary garbage.

god damn, this scene was so fucking terrible in 2.0 and it's the only intimate moment Asuka gets with Shinji before she replaces Toji in the plot.

1.0 - skimmed version of the first couple of episodes
2.0 - an insult to actual eva fans
3.0 - an absolute fucking disaster, but at least it had some vaguely interesting original content

He should be gassed.

I don't know about generals, but i liked 1 and 2.
3 not so much, i would love if it ended at 2 and the world was destroyed just for shinji to hug the girl.

The first two are passable and even good at points.

The third one is everything wrong with Evangelion and the fanbase. Everything.

0/10 asukafag detected

Yes, but I’m still gonna watch the last one.

The first one was cool.

The second one was even better.

The third one was so shit that the whole Rebuild project is also shit. The third Rebuild was made for the people who absolutely hated the original Evangelion and wanted to see it destroyed so they could enforce next-level pandering. Even disassociated from the original it's just horrendously bad and can't even carry itself. Which is what you'd expect from a movie that deliberately tries to ruin a major character (Rei) just to prop up characters like Asuka. Absolutely ridiculous!

>waaah waah my waifu didn't get enough ship material

This is why Asukafags are scum. You have yourself to thank for both 2.0 and 3.0, which is the worst part.

>1.0 is decent for a recap movie
>2.0 is meh, the atmosphere and world building were very captivating though
>3.0 is horrendous, they changed the trademark meaty heavy fighting with choppy imaishi-esque bullshit and threw all of the subtlety out of the window

Fixed that for you, especially seeing as Imaishi actually worked on 3.0 for the choppy battle scenes.

>filename

I don't understand them.
Like, why they were made.

It can be explained if you want.

I don't give a fuck who Shinji ends up with.
I just think it's ridiculous that the movie expects
us to care about her when she only got that scene to reveal her inner feelings and shit.

Shut the fuck up man, the scene was fine in the respect you describe.

Do it faggot

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The obvious motivation for creating the Rebuilds are of course: money. It's their job, and they are - according to Anno himself - a service provider. But again, this is an obvious reason. No one makes budgeted anime without expecting some return on their investment. Anime ain't free.

This reason can be set aside, and even half-way disproved. They're not after the ultimate financial gain with the Rebuilds. Anno and his close writers were only after one thing: Making their own favorite characters more popular. That is the singular, unifying reason that drives all three movies. It's the one motivation which the Rebuild series does not at one single point betray.

Anno and his crew are otaku, worse than everyone on Sup Forums combined. They argued about waifus before much of Sup Forums was even born, or swimming around in their dad's sack. They're the SEELE to your Children.

Anno's favorite characters are Asuka and Kaworu. Coincidentally, these characters receive the best treatment compared ot their original story's counterparts. The character Anno seems to downright hate (Rei) and hate the fans of, receives by far the worst. The situation is entirely self-explanatory.

We know the Rebuilds was not made to maximize profits because it would make no sense for them to demolish the most popular and well-known character of the story. It wasn't monetary greed, it was otaku greed.

On the whole, you can say fans of Asuka and Kaworu killed Evangelion and turned it into a waifu-pandering nightmare.

How the fuck do you go from hating everything otaku to becoming the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the culture?

He always was. He just got rich and now has the freedom to do what he wants.

The original series was what it was during the end because Anno ran out of funding. If Anno had gotten his way, the last episode would never had aired. The network forced him to because they had a contract.

Imagine now, when he's under no obligation to finish anything. Five years and counting since 3.33.
The truth is that he has no reason to finish it because he bust is nut hating on Rei in 3.33, and he got the bile out of him. What's coming is just more bile, if it ever comes.

But they Confirmed the Release of 4.44 ...

It was fun when people pointed out that it was a sequel series rather than just a film remake.

Rebuild 3.0 + 1.0 is sure to disappoint, so at least people can rest easy on that matter.

If I wrote it, I'd guarantee it wouldn't disappoint. Writing the sequel to 3.33 is the easiest ever, just be honest about what 3.33 was. Pure otaku trash.

Anno said it might come out in 2022.

Manga ending was horrible. Cut off all character development, making the entire thing pointless. Mangaka was in an Angel Beats phase

Anno wanted to focus on Tokyo-3 more. Really, that's the reason cited in the guidebooks and why there's so many fancy cg scenes of the building mechanics.

Nothing about this makes sense.
>The obvious motivation for creating the Rebuilds are of course: money
That's what I thought as well after 2.0
That they were going to turn Eva into a big action mecha franchise.
But then 3.0 shat all over that so I dunno.

The rest of your post is absolutely retarded.
If their motivation was to make Asuka and Kaworu more popular why didn't they make a film with them instead of a Rei & Shinji film (1.0)?

2 was a masterpiece, because to those people it was what the rebuilds potential was used.

A core EVA story, with the psychological subtext, arguably the best angel fights, characters acting themselves like in the main bulk of most episodes. Rei-fags love 02, because it gave us a the Rei we subtly fell in love with in the series, in a a more focused and animated version. Also, Shinji was actually getting the love he needed after Rei began focusing on him.

Everything about it makes sense, and the fact that you don't refute it in your post only strengthens it.

>If their motivation was to make Asuka and Kaworu more popular why didn't they make a film with them instead of a Rei & Shinji film (1.0)?
Because the story starts with 1.0, it's the original series. It's to divert away from that, to turn the "old" into the "new". They did include Kaworu in 1.0, however, as well as 2.0.

So yes, it makes perfect sense, and it's the truth that's hard to swallow for Asuka and Kaworu fans, since it makes them complicit by association.

I did refute it though?
Why go in one merchandising direction until 2.22, and then turn around and throw it all in the trash in 3.33?
I mean, they already did a reboot of Evangelion but with biggar fights and moar waifus so I think dignity and artistic integrity are already completely thrown out the window at this point.
>Crazy characterfag shit
C'mon now man. No one forced them to make 1.11 so close to the original they could have included Asuka and Kaworu if they wanted.
As for 2.22, if you want to push Asuka why make her less relevant than in the original AND introduce a new waifu (Mari) on top of that? I bet she had more screen time than Asuka.
Same goes for 3.33

Characterfags are insane... I just asked for the reason Anno made the films and get this

That sounds like a more plausible reason for otaku passion that spun out of control tb h

It's otaku passion that spun out of control, but it's waifufag passion, not anything else.

>I did refute it though?
Simply put, you didn't read the original post well enough. Your counter-argument was already explained in the first post. The point made was that it WASNT simply for the money - or else as both you and I said, the design decisions currently made would make no sense. Money is still involved, niggas gotta eat.

>>Crazy characterfag shit
That's my line, and my original complaint.

>>C'mon now man. No one forced them to make 1.11 so close to the original they could have included Asuka and Kaworu if they wanted.
Like I said, it's necessary to turn the "old" into the "new". It doesn't have the same impact if it's an all-new, people need to associate it with the actual EVA. Don't just ignore that fact.

>As for 2.22, if you want to push Asuka why make her less relevant than in the original AND introduce a new waifu (Mari) on top of that?
That never happened. Asuka pushed out Toji, and was rewritten to be more likeable, removing everything the original Asuka fans hated about Asuka - her failures, and her bitchy attitude without any redeeming qualities. They also removed the creepy and disgusting relationship she had with Kaji, where she always tried to get him to fuck her, a 13 year old.

>Characterfags are insane... I just asked for the reason Anno made the films and get this
Again my line. Anno is a characterfag. He made the movies. They're characterfag movies, through and through. Wake up and smell the ashes. Stop pretending to be naive.

My point was "If they did it for money, what stop at 2.22 and not make it a big action franchise"?
Which is as you said, unrelated to the characterfag thing and it's own unrefuted thing.

that characterfag anno lives in your head rent free methinks:

>asuka character changes
yes, they made asuka more personable like they made ALL "good guy" characters
shinji, rei, misato, everyone is less of a creepy sociopath in rebuild
this was all in order to make Eva more casual
that and the adding more mecha and biggar action is why I thought they were making it a big action franchise thing with spinoffs and bandai namco vidya
and they kind of did that to a smaller extend
but then 3.33 literally and figuratively killed all that and it makes no sense business wise

>They also removed the creepy and disgusting relationship she had with Kaji, where she always tried to get him to fuck her, a 13 year old.

Oh come on, she was a little girl with abandonment issues who probably couldn't really grasp what sex (to a certain extent) anyway. This is just slanderous.

It's what she did though, and your denial of it is precisely why they removed it. They did it to pander to you because you couldn't accept the real Asuka.

You lack reading comprehension. My point was always that money never was the main motivation. Hence you made a mistake.

>yes, they made asuka more personable like they made ALL "good guy" characters
Not Rei, nor Misato.

>but then 3.33 literally and figuratively killed all that and it makes no sense business wise
It makes a lot of sense business wise - it caters to Asuka and Kaworu fans primarily, who hate Rei fans. Just like Anno himself, who is an Asuka and Kaworu fan - and dislikes Rei.

Grow up man, you're just being difficult because you're a fanboy. This is all non-controversial stuff.

Anime is a business just as much as it's an art form in Japan. Khara made the Rebuilds to make money, but they also made it for "themelves". Rei wasn't rewritten from scratch to be "good" like Asuka was, she was demolished partly in 2.22 thanks to 3.33. In the meantime, Asuka gets turned into a super-strong warrior princess that's half angel.

That's blatant pandering, and if Anno likes Asuka and hates Rei.... we've got a motive. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

You're a complete fucking mong with a hateboner for Asuka m8. Her problems (like the rest of the cast) were precisely what made her so endearing as a character. If you think she's some sort of lascivious sociopath for hitting on Kaji, you've obviously never observed how teenage girls act irl.

ok I'm convinced I hate Asuka & Kaworu, now!

Nah man. I just said Asuka did what she did. She was 13 at the time, she did hit on Kaji, and she did beg for him to fuck her. All I did was repeat what Evangelion made canon. You're sperging out because you're uncomfortable with that. You don't like the original Asuka and try to rationalize what she did as normal.

Guess what? Anno rewrote Asuka for you in the Rebuilds. Now you don't have to worry any more about the real Asuka. You are the reason the Rebuild sucks, they were rewritten to pander to Asukafags and Kaworufags such as yourself. Now you don't have to sleep uneasy because you're waifu isn't "impure".

Except the original Asuka still exists to make you butthurt, waifufag

wrong. old asuka is better than rei, new asuka, mari AND kaworu
oh and it wasn't her fault Kaji was a pedo who raped her

Good god, I really couldn't care less. Not all of us are insecure virgins like yourself.. Asuka was a great character in the original series. I think Anno butchered her and the rest of the cast in the Rebuilds. I just don't think her hitting on Kaji is as big of a deal as you make it out to be. So, please, cool your autism.

Stop being in such blatant fucking denial. It makes you butthurt, look at this guy it's utterly fucking pathetic that you keep denying this.

Especially after posts like this Grow the fuck up and accept reality. Anno rewrote the Rebuilds to appease Asuka fans, and they're worse off for it.

1.11 Alright
2.22 Interesting
The preview for 3.33 at the end of 2.22: Acceptable
What we got with actual 3.33: Garbage

Only worth watching for the animation and new images of your waifus. Anno dropped the ball on these.

Nope. Anno is a Rei fan.

>Stop being in such blatant fucking denial. It makes you butthurt, look at this guy

Great job refuting my post faggot. I really think Anno rewrote the Rebuilds out of sheer spite for the series. And with fanboys like yourself, who can blame him?

>asukafags in full denial
>NO ITS NOT TRUE ASUKA DIDNT HIT ON KAIJI MY WAIFU IS PURE REEEEEEEEEEE
>WHAT DO I CARE THAT ANNO REMOVD IT IN REBUILD? TOTALLY DONT CARE, NOT MY PROBLEM

The fucking hypocrisy.

>NO ITS NOT TRUE ASUKA DIDNT HIT ON KAIJI MY WAIFU IS PURE REEEEEEEEEEE

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I honestly don't give a shit. The only person who really seems to care is you, samefag.

Wow. your level of intellectual dishonesty and insanity. Just wow. Asuka "fans" care, hence why it was changed in the first place you dimwit.

How is this hard to understand?

I did refute your post completely. That you're in denial doesn't change that. You just need to accept the facts:

>Asuka fans hate that their waifu was pathetic in NGE
>Anno changed Asuka to pander to Asuka fans by removing the traumatic bits

Easy to understand. More than just doing it for Asuka fans, it was also to make other people like Asuka more as well, since people tend to look down on pathetic wretches like the original Asuka.

Again this is the entire basis for the Rebuilds. This is irrefutable.

He says his favorite character is Asuka. End of discussion.

>He says his favorite character is Asuka.
Proof?

Do you have a source for that nigger?

well said asukafriend!
anno certainly is a rei aficionado

> it's an autist obsessed with cartoon characters purity spergs out projecting his insecurities on everyone episode
Why are faggots like you always shitting every single eva thread ?
Anno changed Asuka, Rei and every single character into carboard walking stereotypes of their former selves because he can't write for shit anymore and fucked himself up with limited runtime.

Not every single person that likes Asuka as a character is a fucking moron that can't handle her "traumatic bits", they're the best fucking part of her character and everyone, and I mean everyone is pissed off about their removal.
What kind of fucking imaginary straws are you even grasping at ?
Why can't you understand that the mainstream jap audience for Eva to which Anno alledgedly tries to pander has nothing to do with the western audience for Evangelion ?

Try the interviews. There's also written scripts from the convention he was at.

This famalam

>christmas cake trapped in the body of a 14 year old, has an eye patch and wears cat hat
how can any other girl compete with shiki
>they can't

lmao reifags btfo

>Anno changed Asuka, Rei and every single character into carboard walking stereotypes of their former selves because he can't write for shit anymore and fucked himself up with limited runtime.

No. That's an apologist reduction coming from an insanely butthurt Asukafag, you.

The facts are that Anno changed the characters but EXCLUSIVELY made Asuka stronger, and Rei weaker in the Rebuild series.

>Not every single person that likes Asuka as a character is a fucking moron that can't handle her "traumatic bits", they're the best fucking part of her character and everyone, and I mean everyone is pissed off about their removal.

This is bullshit, as evidenced by the fact that fans were happy about it. They (YOU) only pretend not to when confronted about it. On evageeks they were celebrating for instance, interpreting it as "Anno's revenge" against Sadamoto.

Your Asuka "friends" are these people:
who know nothing about the context of Evangelion, rage whenever Asuka's real character is brought up, like earlier in this thread. They are third-wave Eva fans.

Your only rebuttal is #NotAllAsukaFans . Face it, you as a toxic community, your fandom is what brought down not just your own favorite character, but also everything else. You're waifufags just like the waifufags in Japan. Accept it.

kek you have absolutely zero evidence, you dumb nigger. kys

CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

> it's a "self proclaimed reifag spergs out and shits up the thread then accuses random anons arguing with his shit logic of being toxic asukafags" episode
please not another one of those

See also posts like these: where all the "moe traits" of Asuka, even if they have no development or relation to her actual character are piled up as a reason for her being "Best Girl".

Why can't you understand that Hideaki Anno is himself an Asuka fan who rewrote the entirety of Evangelion just to make his waifu more popular? Most importantly: more popular than Rei, her rival.

Unfortunately for you, most Asuka fans are indeed fucking morons like The least you could do is accept the facts and not defend the same people who shitpost in this thread and disprove you consistently the entire time.

>no ASuka fans dont do that
>there's actual Asuka fans ITT doing exactly that

Just stop.

OG Rei easily. Goddess, most powerful girl, and the fact that Shikinami was created just because Anno was insecure about his own waifu being inferior to Rei.

some of us have just accepted that these threads are shit just sit back and have fun signposting, ya'know