Has 10 years to prepare for HGW

>has 10 years to prepare for HGW,
>doesn't get a proper Saber catalyst
>I'll just throw a jewel with a shitload of mana at the gacha
Why is birthday girl Rin such a baka?

>I'll just throw a jewel with a shitload of mana at the gacha
Doing that would apparently give you a servant that matches yourself so it's viable, it's just, as you said, very gatcha. The amount of mana she was using was analogous to upping the drop rate of a super rare but she fucked it up.

>Has 10 years to prepare for HGW
>Let's Illya get Bahzaka, the strongest.

Did she even know about the catalyst system?
In her massive TL;DR to shirou, she didnt mention it right?

Wasn't the info about catalysts from Ilya bragging about Heracles?

Its been quite a long time and I can't remember.

She's a good damn high school girl without parents, where was she meant to get a catalyst from

My pants.

Got to a museum and steal a good looking artifact.

She got to fuck Saber though. Isn't that an achievement?

Toshaka's family name has a lot of weight in Fuyuki, surely she can use her influence to get something. She has access to Zeltrech's manahax sword, after all.

>fucks up
>Gets the best Archer anyways
The fact that Archer can go toe to toe with Gil and legendary Hercules is really rare in Fate in general

>almost dies immediately to saber
>gets destroyed by best dog
His gimmick can help him against a faggot like Gil, but if he's facing a strong opponent that honed their skills then he's fucked.

She could have used magic to break into the Japanese imperial household and stolen the Kusanagi sword.

Don't forget he was just about to get gay bulged on the first night except that Shiro showed up and Lancer decided killing witnesses was more important.

He gets destroyed if he tries to fight with swords in close combat. If he BP snipes from the top of a building from 3km away he's almost untouchable unless you use a CS or have conceptual cheats like Protection from Arrows.

>literally jobs to a shit Servant like Nero

>Shittalking Umu

She only has acess to the trolling stick. The manahax sword isn't generally a factor unless she actually makes it and that involves understanding of the Second and a fuckton of money.

>obv replica
>gets the swordsmith who did it as servant
rip/10

Considering that normally the HGWS were every 60 years or so, I'd say being unprepared is understandable.

ask waver

Waver didn't procure his artifact, he got it by accident

He literally stole it.

Archer is the batman of the throne of heroes.

>has a multitude of tools for every situation
>will only win with proper planning and execution
>will lose to major powerhouses in a straight up fight but can challenge them if given enough prep.

She should just asked uncle Kotomine about it

I'm pretty sure SR Redman is higher on the memelist than SSR Saber Artoria anyway.

In fairness Berserker is supposed to be a shitty noob-bait class and Illya summoned Heracles like two months early, before the Grail was even ready to support her.

No he "found" it.

>he got it by accident
he stole it

>Don't forget he was just about to get gay bulged on the first night except that Shiro showed up and Lancer decided killing witnesses was more important.
not really, by the command seal order his 1st encounter with a servant was forbidden to fight seriously, just to measure their strength

He still tried to kill Saber in their first fight.
An order like that is too broad to be absolutely enforceable by a Command Seal, disobeying it would just cause side-effects like parameter reductions (helping to explain why he "missed").

>will lose to major powerhouses in a straight up fight but can challenge them if given enough prep.
yet fails to get shit done in every route, we really need a non retarded master abusing some assassin or emiya archer with underhanded tactics in tandem

Nero is fucking broken, imperial privilege is too op

The memelist doesn't rate characters across rarities, but he is placed higher than her in his own tier.

>wants to be superhero
>chooses to dismiss Shinji's pretty obvious abuse as a "family matter"
???

It's a Japanese thing. You wouldn't understand.

1. It can't be helped.
2. He's kicked Shinji's ass several times for hurting Sakura. Not much he can do beyond that, and he had no idea how bad it really was for her. When he eventually believes she's really in serious danger at home he tells her to stay with him.

Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on Sup Forums. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

The story was written to make that faggot Shirou look good. Objectively, Shinji is a far better character than Shirou. At least he has the balls to take action decisively instead of dicking around like Shirou, and if he weren't stuck with the weak ass servant Rider and no plothax he probably would have won the war.

>rank down on E rank luck
surprised Gae Bulge didn’t stab him instead desu

>have 60 years to prepare for the HGW
>procure a catalyst that guarantees you to summon the King of Knights, one of the strongest and most honorable heroic spirits
>pair her up with a very effective but highly immoral killer that would have been better off with some random Hassan

Kotomine is the only reason Thosaka didnt win the War in Zero

His arm literally carried Shirou through the HGW in HF and was enough to beat Saber Alter in a 1v1.
Imagine if Archer wasn't obsessed with his autistic plan to kill his younger self and would actually aim to win the HGW.

EA aside, a full power EMIYA is better than Gil cause he can hold its own in CQC.

(You) are a man with fine taste. If Shinji had hax Avalon he would've been the hero of fate instead of emiya

Did Archer actually lose some of his memory when he was summoned? If not, why didn’t he kill Shirou right after he was summoned? If he did why didn’t he kill him the first chance he got?

Acht is literally the biggest retard in the fate franchise.

He did lose part of his memories because Rin fucked up the summoning. Seeing Saber is what caused his memories too return, it's also the reason why he gets wounded by her if Shirou doesn't use a command seal.

>can barely fight the ONE servant he's supposed to counter, and, even then, going all out, and even then, only because his opponent is too proud to actually use his strongest weapons.
One could say that as a servant he's a great cook.

Uh....what. A full power serious gil >full powered red man
>Ea aside
Did you forget about his chains? Or whatever else he has stored up in his GoB. Gil's arrogance has always caused his gimpness. But take that away, have him be 100%, red man is doomed.

>Nero is fucking broken
>wasn't even summoned in her proper class.

That's an old pasta and Im still waiting for a story where Shinji isn't a cunt. Foxtail might be it considering his attempt at redemption.

>Enkidu
Worthless against Redman
>Full powered Gil
A meme that has never existed. Full powered Gil becomes stronger every time Gil jobs to someone. At this point he could solo Types.

aint the chains force linked to the divinity of the target?

A full power Emiya is Godhand.. A beyond divine tier blacksmith and creator who can create completely bullshit powerful weapons and items using the knowledge of every single weapon and item he's encountered fought against or even seen.

The only thing gilgamesh has going for him is Ea and some part of him is terrified of of Emiya learning ANYTHING about that fucking thing and being able to use it to construct weapons or a shield.

>why didn't he kill Shirou right after he was summoned
You have to emphasize the "autistic" part of his plan. He wouldn't just be satisfied with killing Shirou, he first wants to break his mind and his ideals that made him become Archer.
He tells people that he's trying to erase himself by making Shirou straying from the hero path/killing him, but in the end he admits that it's a futile act and he's just venting his anger and frustration at a kid.

He still tried to rape Rin.

>he admits that it's a futile act and he's just venting his anger and frustration at a kid.
Literally me and you. Literally Sup Forums.

she wanted it

No that was his own damn fault.
He had Gil and squandered him.

He has no money so
[] Doubt

Might have done better if he had summoned Caster Gil.

who stabbed Rin Papa again, please remind me

Enkidu's strength increases in proportion to the target's Divinity. Even against a mundane target it's still a Noble Phantasm, it's not like it becomes weaker.
That said there's not much reason for Gil to be using Enkidu against Archer in the first place.

EMIYA as he is now is "full power" EMIYA.

Gil loses if he gets caught in Unlimited Blade Works, EMIYA loses if Gil uses Ea. It's that simple.

If he had a dutiful servant Gil would have just Collector A'd a Doctor that could fix it or pull something out of GoB to heal him. Or you know, stop him with Hypersonic reaction and speeds which servants have.

Double Dubs don't lie, Tohsaka fucked up.

Yeah, and the whole point of HF is that Shirou's not -only- influenced by his trauma. He has a personality and desires beyond his ideals, it just takes him a while to realize it.
When Shirou sees Sakura's injury in the HF movie, he instantly asks if Shinji did it. Shinji specifically, not just 'who did this'. That says a lot about the situation.

I wish that the HF true end wasn't narrated by Rin. She's alright, but so much of the route has been focused on Shirou and Sakura that switching to someone else's perspective for that sweet, sweet payoff is kinda watery.

>When Shirou sees Sakura's injury in the HF movie, he instantly asks if Shinji did it.
It's established in all three routes that Shirou knows Shinji has hit Sakura before and has in turn beaten up Shinji for it. It's part of the reason they're not really friends anymore.

HF True isn't a very good ending in general, taken by itself.
The Normal ending is the best in the game by far.

Even if he gets trapped in UBW, Gil had many non-swords that he could pull and use from GoB. UBW gives Archer a chance, but it's still an uphill fight.

The bigger issue than neutralizing GoB spam is that Archer could be immediately in melee range and Gil is an average at best duelist.
Then again, in this scenario Gil would presumably be smart enough to actually wear armor to battle.

Kirei purposely trained her wrong...as a joke!

>wear armor to battle.
but EMIYA can Rule Breaker it, right? I mean by a long stretch, among Servants EMIYA is a mediocre fighter only boosted cause CG/ World Pact, he is a like a baby next to servants/ heroes that spent their whole life honing their skill.
and yet Emiya is likely a better fighter that Swords Machi Gun

I just find it hilarious that Gil's contempt of Shirou directly created his most persistent and annoying nemesis throughout the HGWs.

Sad thing is, it's probably true.

Well I don't doubt that.

>The bigger issue than neutralizing GoB spam is that Archer could be immediately in melee range and Gil is an average at best duelist.

They didn't have martial arts back then and Enkidu spent the entirety of their friendship handling him with kid gloves and doing most of the work. Give Gil a break.

Would Rule Breaker do anything to magic armor? There's no contract involved there, it's not like it's an antimagic dagger.

At least Rin has a route where she wins dumb Cat

Kirei also purposefully put her family's money into ponzis and other scams because he thought it was funny as shit, leaving them broke when Rin finally got old enough to take on overseeing financial responsibilities. Meanwhile Kerry made sound investments with the local Taiga-run yakuza, and Shirou never had to worry.

Rin isn't completely fucked over though because there are some lands the Tohsaka own that he had no control over and Tohsaka brand magi items she can still get royalties from.
She just doesn't have the riches of the Eizenburns or Edefelts.

rin is a fuck up and not that smart outside of magic.

I blame Jesus for letting violent insane retards like Martha into the Church in the first place.

>EMIYA can Rule Breaker it, right?
That's not really how Rule Breaker works. It's not completely anti-magic, it has the specific function of breaking magical pacts. When Caster stabs Saber with it, it severs her connection to Shirou, it doesn't destroy her armor.
Though I guess it does pierce the armor despite being an allegedly terrible proper weapon. Don't know how well it would work against Gil's armor that Excalibur can't scratch but maybe it would at least dispel all the bullshit enchantments on it.

>among Servants EMIYA is a mediocre fighter
EMIYA killed Berserker six times in melee combat and Shirou killed Saber Alter with his technique. He's a high-tier duelist.
Gil can barely hold Shirou back in a duel and loses an arm the second he stops defending, and was helpless to do anything but block when Saber gets in melee range of him in Fate route. He's not incompetent but he's not known for his skill as an actual fighter.

It could do anything to an actual magic armor like Saber's but in Gil's case that armor is as magical as the rest of the treasury, so Rule Breaker would doubtfully affect it.

he would just troll her by giving her a shit servent.

I still don't get the Einzbern family. Fate/stay night, zero and UBW gave me the impression that the Albino clones were nothing but servants and slaves being commanded by a powerful overseas head family but apparently some of them are part of the family as well? Now I'm thinking the Einzberns are just one old guy, Ilya and a couple of maids. What exactly are they?

you would too.

>What exactly are they?
cute

She's a Tohsaka. They fuck up. It's what they do. Sakura should be thankful her grandpa wormed her into a Matou.

If Archer used UBW against Lancer he would've won.
Archer can fight while throwing swords around.

Are you implying that Matous don't fuck up?

Bahzaka is a trap class get you killed by the mana drain and lose the tactical advice of a legendary hero. Illya's special nature is what makes the combo so powerful.

all fucked up, teh Tohsaka, the Matou, the Eizenwhatever. even Kiritsugu by not demolishing the atelier after he gave up magic

He wouldn't. Lancer has Protection from Arrows that helps him against ranged projectiles and could last half a day against Gilgamesh. Rin can't sustain UBW that long. That aside, EMIYA can barely block the full-powered Gae Bolg.

Heracles as any other class would have killed Zouken for being a shithead. So him forcing a Berserker summon made some sense.

Stealing is just another kind of finding

Justeaze was a homunculus herself but at the time she became the Greater Grail she was the head of the family.
Ordinary/"defective" homunculi like Sella are used as maids and such, a Justeaze-type homunuclus like Illyasveil ought to be Einzbern royalty but Old Man Acht is an asshole wants the Grail yesterday. He's hardly any better than Zouken and the family has failed over and over again because he's an impatient old bastard.

Archer would win against Gil because when Archer was fighting Shirou he was at 10% strength.

Archer could easily go after Gil, fight him and kill him before he has a chance to pull Ea.

Archer can win against Lancer. He held Lancer up while fighting normally, but if he added swordspam to that Lancer would get fucked.

Archer could win against Caster. He could do the same thing Gil did in Fate.

Archer could win against Saber. Just sword spam while fighting. Use lots of broken NP like Tohsaka family jewel in HF and a bunch of fake Excaliburs.

Archer could win against Assassin.

Archer could win against Berserker. He could activate UBW and spam that one fake Excalibur that destroyed 6 of Berserker's lives at once. He just didn't because he didn't want to hurt Illya so he died.


QED.

Emiya isn't a mediocre fighter. He's just got terrible stats and prestige because he's a relatively young Heroic Spirit, he was just an average mage in life, and the Counter Force just made him strong enough to be its assassin.

Right. I forgot about that, user. What if Archer used a bunch of broken NPs and fought with them instead of his shitty two weapons?