Sakura is a beautiful princess that just needs some love and compassion

Sakura is a beautiful princess that just needs some love and compassion

And semen.

Caster is a beautiful princess that just needs loyalty and compassion.

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All women are beautiful princesses that need love and compassion.

*Worm

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It's strange that the Character Material lists Sakura and Illya as natural enemies when they get along so well.

Except Eltnum

>HF
>Ilya acts like a complete bitch to Sakura when they first meet because she's a Matou, then they're vaguely implied to bond over being grails offscreen, then Sakura kidnaps Ilya
>F/HA
>Ilya and Sakura are absolute soulmates
Nasu should really have gone into more detail on Ilya and Sakura making friends during HF rather than reiterating his "Sakura is broken! Broken and crazy and used goods and totally the shadow! (actually, she's not, but I'll lie in the narration for now for shock value)" interludes for the nth time.

>lists Sakura and Illya as natural enemies
What? In the VN they always talk about how they are good friends since they are really similar

No, Rin isn't.

Damn, she's so cute

Nasu should really have buckled down and wrote the Illya route when he had the chance

Wait for HF Movies to be completed

*worm slut

That does come to a surprise, especially as their chemistry in F/HA is even more evident.
She's very supportive of Sakura and Shirou's relationship.

HF's first movie didn't even include Illya's scenes

They're technically natural enemies since they're grails competing to be filled, but neither of them actually wants that.

It was heavily implied that they'll focus on Illya in the second movie.

I mean, I guess they are "natural" enemies because they are both grails, that doesn't mean they don't like each other in reality

I have no faith that they'll do the VN justice and the changes they've made so far have made me even less interested

They skipped a lot of the repetitive stuff we've already seen in the UBW anime and I'm personally okay with this. No point in rehashing the same thing again, especially since HF is only going to be a trilogy.

I agree that the conclusion to how they felt towards each other was a bit of a hack job in HF. But then it was never meant to be one route in the first place. I'll always wonder about how it could have been if Nasu actually had gone through with the two separate routes instead. It may have given us a more fleshed out Illya and Sakura in the end.
I'm glad they both have more focus in F/HA though. I think, because I played that again recently, it's those scenes that are still fresh in my mind.

Skipping UBW scenes is fine (the intro that shows the prologue was pretty cool) but I don't think a fast-paced HF would work. The Best part about it is the hopelessness of spending tons of nights not knowing what to do, pretending everything is fine while the shadow kills more and more people.

Sakura is a good girl.

>The Best part about it is the hopelessness of spending tons of nights not knowing what to do, pretending everything is fine while the shadow kills more and more people.
And yet you see a lot of people complaining about how boring HF was because of those type of scenes. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed them in the VN but I'm unsure if they'd work for a movie. It wouldn't surprise me if people got bored and just found more reason to complain about HF. These are the same kinds of people who complain about "lol HF is just cooking" and yet they love the Emiya Cooking anime.

>That arm length.
Jesus Takeuchi, learn basic anatomy.

She just needs Zouken dead. And unfortunately that only happens in one out of three timelines.

I appreciate that they developed Shirou and Sakura's relationship more right from the start but they also cut ALL of Illya and Shirou's bonding yet found the time to invent an extended Lancer vs True Assassin sequence.
At this point I'm sure they'll completely rewrite the "I want to protect Sakura" scene and no matter how they do it without Illya I'll be mad. Shirou can talk himself into it on his own, or do it purely out of love for Sakura, or they can even try to keep the angle of refusing to become another Kiritsugu and have him talk to Archer or some shit, but it can't be as thematically powerful as doing that with Kiritsugu's daughter right there as his witness, promising him her unconditional love and support if he just turns back from that path and be there for the girl he loves when she needs him, like Kiritsugu couldn't.

The narrative had Sakura's soul rotting from the inside with taint, I think she weathered it as well as any human without protection against it could have.

And Ilya was still hampered by her indoctrination to the Einzberns and her role.

It ended better in a reasonable way, given the circumstances, and showed a somber example at how group dynamics can fall apart if parties are tricked by informational warfare. We have worse fallouts that happen quicker in real life for much less.

The worrying part is, I'm thinking their reason for doing so is that the nuFate fans are more akin to Prisma Illya and not FSN Illya. It's shit because FSN Illya is a wonderful character and I hate that she's being overshadowed by some spinoff version of herself.

>yet found the time to invent an extended Lancer vs True Assassin sequence.
Okay yeah you got me on that one, I can't think of any reasonable excuse for this other than "we need more fighting scenes". Maybe we'll get lucky and they're incorporate Illya's scenes back in on the second movie. I sure do hope so anyway, the HF route is when I truly appreciated her character.

I'm sure over half the people who make that complaint are just repeating the stale meme they heard and haven't even played the route. Fate route has SIX DAYS of NOTHING happening between the first encounter with Illya on Night 3 and Blood Fort Andromeda on Day 9.
Heaven's Feel is downright action-packed at the start, Shirou and Saber fight enemy Servants three times before Day 9. The "problem" is the lull in the action after rescuing Illya on Day 10. Days 11 to 13 is where not much happens, just character interaction/development in the brief calm. And then shit hits the fan on Day 14 and things go absolutely crazy on Days 15 and 16. The few calm days stick out because there's so much happening before them and they lead right into the finale which is the most intense part of the entire VN.

The Lancer and Dark Saber scenes went full retard and were likely mandated by some clueless higherup trying to appeal to casuals, but as a whole, the movie does a great job at doing away with Nasu's ridiculous blunders like blatantly pushing Sakura's inner darkness in your face from the very start of the route all while shilling for Rin and Ilya, much because the runtime justifies getting rid of the parts that sideline or vilify the heroine. The original HF was a good story with exceedingly poor direction.

I have no idea how Nasu could be surprised at Sakura's initial poor reception when he was so clearly goading unscrupulous people into attacking her by setting up so many negative red herrings and refusing to make it crystal clear that that's what they were. There are so many times during the route where the narration trips all over itself to blame Sakura for things that were very obviously not her fault if you look at what actually happened.

>Nasuverse humans evolved from gorillas
Bravo Nasu

Blaming Prisma is silly. I think it just comes down to the fact that Sakura is the heroine who didn't have a great showing in her own route, and they're trying to rectify that, which is understandable. It's just that they only have so much runtime and have to keep the story moving.
It's just really shitty because Illya is unarguably a major focus character in Heaven's Feel, even more than Rin and Saber, and completely failing to establish that in the first movie is just inexcusable. It's really disappointing, but it's just the reality of adapting 20 hours of VN into like 6 hours of screentime. It was never going to be a substitute for the original from the start, so hopefully they can at least make something unique out of it.

Except for that brown chick.
Fuck her

Except Satsuki you mean

Which one?

The fact that Sakura is a very passive and repressed character with little to no initiative for a good chunk of the story doesn't help either

>the runtime justifies getting rid of the parts that sideline or vilify the heroine
I could almost be okay with Illya's focus being shifted to Sakura if it didn't completely undercut the most emotional moment in the entire story.

>Most emotional moment.
Come on now.

I'm still staying hopeful in that they'll rectify it in the second movie, but we'll see. I'll pass proper judgement once I've seen all three movies.

Not to mention it presents her taking the initiative as an evil thing that needs to be beaten out of her once she finally does it. It's easy to miss amidst the ominous music, but a lot of Dark Sakura's motives and actions were just her wanting to prove she could handle things on her own and refusing to take Rin's bullshit anymore. The Rin vs Sakura fight serves pretty much no purpose but to wank Rin while shitting all over Sakura set to heroic music, despite Rin's behavior being objectively unnecessary and cruel as opposed to Sakura who just wanted a way out of her weakness and suffering, or at least a noble sacrifice failing that.

Did I stutter?
What was worse for you, tough guy?

This is Disturbing
I want to cut that swordskin

After knowing what she said to Sakura it was clear that Rin deserved to be raped by Sakura's magic tentacles, can't believe I was sad for her the first time I got the bad end.

Purple is the color of best girls.

yes

Not him, but Illya sacrificing herself at the end of True end was so bittersweet. I both love and hate it. I really hope they do it justice in the final movie.

She still dead though

Is having the Illya Seal of Approval a good thing?

The only Ilya scene that was actually moving was in UBW.

What is your point?

>Not appreciating your precious sister's approval.
Of course it is.

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Is it possible to save Illya?

No, what a retard

Only in the F/HA timeline.
She's only got a year or so left to live in FSN.

Sakura is a mass murderer that deserves a court trial and the gallows.

Butthurt lolicons.

Ladies and Gentlemen, here we have Falseflagger number one.
Please ignore and continue with the comfy discussion.

Could she use HF on herself?

Ignorant secondary.

>He doesn't like my boring wank material little girl character
>He must not have played the game! This is the only thing that makes sense!

In the end Rin takes all the blame sakura does though, good thing a sorcerer support her thanks to Jewel Sword.

>The Rin vs Sakura fight serves pretty much no purpose but to wank Rin while shitting all over Sakura set to heroic music, despite Rin's behavior being objectively unnecessary and cruel as opposed to Sakura who just wanted a way out of her weakness and suffering, or at least a noble sacrifice failing that.
Hopefully Sudou fixes that entire scene.

In the end, were Illya and Iri worth 6 billion people?

No.

>Implying people who like Illya are lolicons.
>Not understanding she is an adult.

Yeah and next you'll tell me that people who like Etna or the teacher from Index aren't lolicons.

Not that guy, but the whole appeal of Illya is how she's an older onee-san who's been cursed and given an extraordinarily hard life in general. Remove that and she becomes 100000000x less interesting.

The latest doujiin by Kiasa needs to be translated already. It features Sakura x Grandpa

>Etna or the teacher from Index aren't lolicons
They might be lolicons, but it still isn't illegal because they aren't underage.

Ah, yes, which is why Prisma Ilya is so popular. Truly it puts her character to the test like nothing before.

Don't give a fuck about prisma outside of it being nice to see Illya be happy

>if I make the character totally different and you won't like her anymore!
wew

Ufotable love Sakura
I sure they will give her love and compassion in the next HF movies

Honestly, the best way to do it would be a non-lethal Femme Fatale where Rin quickly jobs (can cut their first fight to make it less anti-climactic) and is set free after Shirou uses Rule Breaker. Rin has absolutely zero business being glorified at that point.

I never mentioned legality. I said they were lolicons.

>Don't give a fuck about prisma
At least we can agree on something.

Yes.

Is Shirou giving up Kiritsugu's ideal really a good thing?

Yes, he should instead become a lawyer/fireman.

>Lawyer
>fighting for justice
el oh el

At least she's not guilty of matricide.

To be honest that would count as a mercykilling

I like Sakura but I much prefer Rider, how do I win Sakura's approval to date Medusa?

>Not this Headcanon again

You make it so Rider is dating Sakura and you're just another member of her harem. Sakura is too possessive to agree to anything else.

You can do it in F/HA. Turns out she's fine with it as long as it's not just Rider being a slut behind her back.

Years later, and I still think Shirou x Sakura is the best Shirou pairing.

I agree, but saber and shirou are also good

>Sakura is too possessive to agree to anything else.
>Falling for the Carnival Phantasm meme.

So does Nasu.
>I think that for Shirou, Sakura comes first.

Sakura wants Rider to be happy, so as long as you can assure her you'll make Rider happy then she will approve.