Is Flip Flappers a flawed masterpiece?
Is Flip Flappers a flawed masterpiece?
Episode 1-8 was a masterpiece, than it just nosedived in pretty much every department. By the end it was completely generic, forgettable, mediocre anime.
It's a mediocre anime that got memed by hipsters.
I didn't experience any flaws.
Yayaka in the memory dome was a highlight of the series.
I loved it and I'm not a hipster
It was boring.
You are adopting the same shitposting tactics... as the actual shitposters back then.
implying episode 9 wasn't the best
no its a perfect masterpiece
No, but that song is.
It is flawed. The last 1/3 was hard to watch as a casual viewer. I was able to appreciate it on an abstract level but I couldn't justify the flaws in its drama writing.
The writer change meme is entirely irrelevant though because the root cause of the flaws were differences in the creative approaches between the director and the writer. It was meant to be like the way it turned out and if there were flaws it's the problem with the plot outline.
The vision of the director is on high-art abstract experimental ideas but the vision of the writer is on character building with wishful thinking dramatization.
It was difficult because the theme of the director is so abstract and there was no way to express it through the writer without getting corny.
These are my high level evaluations. I can get into detail if any disagrees.
It went to shit after whats her face left the writing team. She helped make the best episodes.
I believe it was after episode 5
Wahhhhh so many people notice the same thing and you can't do that, waaahhhhh.
It was meant to be like the way it turned out and if there were flaws it's the problem with the plot outline
A lot of people agreed that it was just simple execution missing from the last episode. There were a lot of great thing happening, like Yayakas henshin, Salt shooting his other half, his whole backstory in general, Nyu finally shooting the gun, Mimi henshin, CocoMimi. It's just some lines and awkward pacing that didn't ruin it, but made it worse than it could potentially have been.
Echo from the past. Still deluding yourself with the meme?
Yuniko's leave was planned. She's like this with most of series where she is series composer. I think she said this is because she doesn't have the stamina to do all scriptwriting so after making the plot outline and a few episodes' scripts she'll leave for a different project. As she did with Bang Dream where she handed it off to other writers and left for Alice to Zouroku.
The director said her plot outline was mostly unchanged and all plot was planned from the start. The only possible difference would be minor detail.
Alright, after rereading what I just posted I must conclude that I'm a bit drunk. So I hope you can decipher what I meant.
As someone who wasn't in these threads during the show's airing I didn't see any problem with the last third of the show at all and am constantly confused by anons complaining about it.
On one hand I wish I could have experienced the show with Sup Forums but on the other I wonder if that would have soured the experience slightly for me.
The biggest flaw is in Mimi's characterization. I don't think Yuniko understood Mimi's role as much as Oshiyama would hope for. Mimi is an abstract idea, an archetype, meant to represent something fundamental in Cocona's psyche. Now the characterization turned her into a comedic villian. Compare how Asuka's mother was depicted and then see how Mimi was being dramatized.
Also, pacing is part of Yuniko's job when she made the plot outline. The single biggest pacing flaw was at the end of ep 12 when Cocona had her awakening out of the blue and the context of the awakening (Papika in dicktree jail) was not explained until one week later thus the value of the awakening was undermined to great extent by failure to establish the context.
I think Oshiyama asked for drama as it could potentially work well with his ideas but Yuniko is not known to be able to write good drama. Her drama writing in Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya wo Mezasu was not good.
by the end
it was that from episode 1 you just memed yourself into believing this was good
Shitposters looked for anything to make them shitpost and the last third wasn't as perfect as the first few episodes. So they spammed the threads after any new episode getting released for whatever reason.
It has good animation, but the entire thing is largely superficial. There is a good reason why shows like this bomb while Kemono Friends did very well.
The first 2/3 of the show was experimental high-art comparable or even superior to the episodic part in Kaiba. The experimental style didn't mesh well with the dramatization, as was the case too for Kaiba.
This isn't wrong
I was watching it as it aired and the writer swapped completely killed all momentum for me.
It was such a jarring change that it left a bad taste in my mouth and I only got to episode 10 before dropping it.
I can agree with that. Yayaka was episodes 12 saving grace, even episode 11 was better just for this scene and everything it comprises.
The show+the speculation threads while it was airing made me realize I had depression
Kemono Friends is laced with pseudo-deep lore that is within the reach of casual viewers after rudimentary theorization. It had the right level of deep that allow casuals to enjoy the same gratification of a deepfag without actual intellectual investment.
FF is still deeper than I thought. I only discovered sources recently showing that the etymology of "Pure Illusion" is rooted in Biosemiotics and Taoist philosophy with a psychoanalytic flavor and the etymology was well visualized on screen but nobody had realized the connection yet. And this is all intended by the director as latent dream content.
I'd agree with you when it comes to Kaiba but I felt the drama worked well in flip flappers. I felt the drama at the end helped the show realize the value of the earlier adventures and concluded in saving the idea of them quite powerfully. I can't think of a better way to end it really.
The animation is still good.
Agreed. It got worse with each and every week.
What made it bad for me is that some fans around here insisted it was still good and that Mimi's struggle was interesting and all bunch of other shit. Pure delusion. I was glad when it was over.
Papika still a cute, however. But damn what it could have been.
what could it have been?
It was garbage and the only people that still talk about it are the sickly masses of /u/fags and deepfags who have yet or refuse to bandwagon KF.
than it just nosedived in pretty much every department. By the end it was completely generic, forgettable, mediocre anime.
Nice non-criticisms. Is this a copypasta?
It was shit.
A real masterpiece. Or at least a very enjoyable show that doesn't shit itself in its later half.
Something doesn't suddenly lack all value just because it failed to end a satisfactory way.
It started out as mostly episodic show. Kind of like Utena, in a way that it did have overarching plot that we constantly get hints at, but the episodes themselves can stand for themselves and they have a pretty clear pattern that works. And they were fun too, my favorite is probably the one that tries to reference all Toei shows, like Hokuto no Ken, Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon. The one with mansion full of faceless kids is cool too. There was just ton of fun shit.
Then, in episodes 10-12 we actually learn what the plot is and it just wasn't anything good, original or interesting. And 3 episodes of that to boot, that's 1/4 of a show which could be boiled down to "Cocona, get back in the fucking womb", a soccer mom throwing a fit.
It's certainly flawed but it is by no means a masterpiece.
More like a masterpiece of shit
Yuasa's works were considered masterpiece only after he repressed his own expression. Your masterpiece is as much as a specific type of pandering.
It wasn't just the end, it was the later half.
Actually the sweet ending made it a little more tolerable.
What are you even saying?
I don't know why people call it shit. We have shows with no substance like Konosuba, Non Non Biyori and Maidragon that get all the praise in the world but this much more ambitious work is the garbage?
People who complain about the plot are retarded. The plot was just a mechanism for the three main characters to develop from the very beginning. If Princess Tutu aired today people would call it shit because it handled its plot exactly the same way.
Salt didn't matter beyond Mimi.
Mimi didn't matter beyond being an obstacle for Cocona.
Neither faction nor their goals mattered because none of it focused on the three main characters.
Cocona's school choice didn't matter because it was just a set piece to display her flaws.
I really don't get how people could watch from the beginning and complain about this.
mansion full of faceless kids
I can see how superficial you are with the show. You probably like it as a fun Adventure Time episode.
The plot started in episode 1 and it had been well interwoven in every episode.
he thinks sales dictate quality
I bet you think Cowboy Bebop is shit too.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Also fuck no Flip Flappers was a downward spiral towards shit bottom.
Flip Flappers fans please post right now. I would like to see what country you are from.
What is even going o-
Hi. I think the threads were duplicated.
Papika best girl
How do you know I am not using proxy
Why would anyone even bother
mfw the >Cockona user is from Brazil
This trick by nipmoot was horribly done. Full of bugs.