How is this weak ass piece of shit supposed to beat other servants.
>Mediocre parameters and skills compared to other Archers
>Only has one, mediocre noble phantasm that according to his own words doesnt work well against other servants and can be easily countered
>Only gets kills by sneaking around and lying
>Still jobs against every servant in FSN excluding Medea
>Not even a hero
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Also gay clothes
He is literally Batman
Sniping. It's the only way he can compete.
hes batman
he wins because the plot wants him to
Batman is smart. Emiya IQ is lower than Neros
>Emiya IQ is lower than Nero, Tamamo and Liz
FTFY.
Logically speaking, he should be one of the most powerful and experienced warriors in the entire tournament. Even having more fighting experience then gilgamesh.
Plus theoretically his powers should give him the ability to create any item or weapon he wants and change any item or weapon he wants.
Basically anything that he's faced fought against or seen is up for grabs... as long as it's a few steps below a divine construct he should be able to create it no problem and even at the cost of his life or in the moon cell be able to create slightly degraded versions of godhand built suepr weapons.
In my opinion, his real power doesn't lie in his "batman" like qualities.
It's the fact that he can understand and reconstruct weapons out of nothing but raw mana.
He can perfectly see and reconstruct them into solid mimcries. Even god tier divine weapons with the sole exception being Ea.
But that...THING isn't even a proper sword and can scarcely be called a weapon. It's basically a magic wand hand crafted by things that if called god would be doing them a disservice.
Anyway.
His real power lies in the fact that he is potentially the greatest blacksmith to ever be born. That his damnation was not to make him into an eternal keeper of peace. But to give him the experience needed to craft god tier weapons from scratch.
Batman?
He'll become a modern Hephestus. Hell, he'll be better then Hephestus could ever hope to be.
>EMIYA isnt in Last encore
Why didnt SHAFT put him in? I understand Tamamo but Redman is fucking redman, most popular Servant in Fate excluding Fates postergirl.
I dont get it, I really dont. They just threw off the main attraction
>Emiya is shit but has plotarmor except when he doesnt
That's exactly what I said
Why his IQ would be higher than a genius ?
>Still jobs against every servant in FSN
secondary faggot doesn't know how servant stats and abilities work
>he actually thinks the made up video game statistics have any bearing on anything
>implying stats dont matter when they decide the plot
sasuga
Nice try, Nasu.
>redman is 100 times weaker than a loli
He can cook.
>weak ass shit
hes the definition jack of all trades, master of none
>servant have weak defence
He can snipe him from half map away with atombomb arrows
>servant is melee bruiser
He can summon his sword dimension and fuck him up
>servant is nuker
He has his 7 shield thing
the thing is he doesnt really try most the time, like we saw is ubw, did he try to win? Nope, he just fucked with Shirou and afked at Rin house.
Of course not.
He knows exactly what the grail is and has seen shit go tits up when someone has won it.
I think it's canon that he personally ended a Grail War that went completely off the rails in a single night.
Exactly. In case you've noticed, he also happens to be the former MC of a porn novel, so basically invincible.
Lower than 0? Is that even possible?
Can he project chains to tie up Herc and kill him? And even if yes, can he kill him? No? well then, he is fucked up.
Can he project anything that would protect him against Cu's bolg? dont think so.
Can he go toe to toe against Sasaki? he would be killed before he pulls out his bow.
Saber? heh, no.
Its just how this battle royale works, rock/paper/scissors, everyone uses their quirks against each others, one counters the other, ability to know when to step in and use it is the most important skill there.
His major quirk is to counter the strongest servant, it wouldn't work on anyone except him, and if he slay him too soon, if last one would be anyone from people listed above - he wouldn't be able to do anything against them and would be dead.
Well yea that fits batman pretty good if think about it
>he can't beat berserker but his high school version can
Lol none of your mentioned servants can kill Archer either, hes far to evasive and fast and if they rush in, they would easily get baited and countered i guarantee it
Herc killed his ass though
>Can he project chains to tie up Herc and kill him?
Yes
> And even if yes, can he kill him? No? well then, he is fucked up.
Yes. But no one mage on earth can give him enough mana to make him function at his true potential.
>Can he project anything that would protect him against Cu's bolg? dont think so.
A nuclear arrow shot at him from 5 miles away.
>Can he go toe to toe against Sasaki? he would be killed before he pulls out his bow.
A nuclear arrow shot at him from five miles away
>Saber? heh, no.
A nuclear arrow shot at her from five miles away after he takes back avalon.
>Its just how this battle royale works, rock/paper/scissors, everyone uses their quirks against each others, one counters the other, ability to know when to step in and use it is the most important skill there.
He doesn't have a rock paper or scissors.
He has the ability to see what the others put down then put down the same thing and after enough stalemates, he'll put down what is needed to beat him.
He's bullshit broken if they stop pourposely making him weak.
>His major quirk is to counter the strongest servant, it wouldn't work on anyone except him, and if he slay him too soon, if last one would be anyone from people listed above - he wouldn't be able to do anything against them and would be dead.
That's still fucking dumb. I wish that they would stop wanking gilgamesh and start building up archer.
>Well yea that fits batman pretty good if think about it
Nah man.
Batman doesn't work like that at all.
if anything Gilgamesh and saber gets the bullshit plot armor and favoritism of the writers.
He can just nuke Fake Assassin from the mountain's base.
Can he project anything that would protect him against Cu's bolg?
what is Rho Alas for 100, alex
It won't stop stab version as he gets stabbed before he project it
>Can he project chains to tie up Herc and kill him? And even if yes, can he kill him? No? well then, he is fucked up.
Actually yes. He manages to kill Herc six times despite starting off in melee range, having no mana, and also still being horribly wounded since Saber nearly cut his head off on the first day and Rin wouldn't let him eat souls to heal. In fact he's probably Herc's best counter outside of Gil's bullshit - being able to spam different Broken Phantasms means God Hand's immunity to things that have already 'killed' him is meaningless.
>Can he project anything that would protect him against Cu's bolg? dont think so.
He did literally this exact thing.
>Can he go toe to toe against Sasaki? he would be killed before he pulls out his bow.
Sasaki can't leave the temple gate, Archer just has to walk backwards a small distance.
>Saber? heh, no.
But he beats Saber in F/HA.
>shitty teacher mage reks saber so hard
>teenage weak as fuck version of Archers reks that same teacher
I mean saber is on another level of bad
>shitty teacher mage
Kuzuki isnt a mage, and Kuzuki fucked Shirou up something bad
kuzuki loses to archer, and even then only once caster is dead
>ITT Redmen in denial
The redman was never meant to use a bow or a sword. Pic related would demolish him as a proper Archer
batman doesn't have any bullshit super power to back him up he is forced to think strategically while fighting against everyone else, he perfectly knows his strong and weak sides and able to see others he uses it for his advantage.
Emiya is jack of all trades like other user pointed out, he doesn't have super trap card, he can only mimic other people's stuff and cant stand when he is faced against original
>Yes. But no one mage on earth can give him enough mana to make him function at his true potential.
so he cant, while Gil can do that easily, thats what i meant.
>A nuclear arrow shot at him from five miles away
same reason why he just cant project guns and other modern stuff
MAYBE HE IS THE MAIN CHARACTER.
I've never understood the explanation that UBW isn't good against anyone besides Gil. It's basically a faster Gate of Babylon when deployed. If he gets someone in his reality marble, they should be as fucked as if they were up against the AOU. Is it just a poor translation, and what was meant that UBW's passive abilities are not good against Servants? Or is the reasoning that he could never last long enough against any other Servant to deploy UBW?
>A nuclear arrow shot at him from 5 miles away.
which Cu would dodge like its nothing
redman cant even hit saber running at him while hes in a vantage point, Cu just tears his anus apart
>also still being horribly wounded
>another speed reader
Nerfed Herc that Archer fought doesn't have any impressive feats. I mean even Saber wounded from Lancer fight could kill him once in UBW
Archer was going easy on Saber according to his own words
Odds are Archer is a better archer than her in terms of pure skill by virtue of embodying japanese zen archery perfectly.
>Actually yes. He manages to kill Herc six times despite starting off in melee range, having no mana, and also still being horribly wounded since Saber nearly cut his head off on the first day and Rin wouldn't let him eat souls to heal. In fact he's probably Herc's best counter outside of Gil's bullshit - being able to spam different Broken Phantasms means God Hand's immunity to things that have already 'killed' him is meaningless.
Where is the idea he had no mana come from? He was already fully healed by that point in time, and literally just wasn't strong enough to take on Herc.
>He did literally this exact thing.
He managed to block thrown Bolg, and even then it still fucked him up. And this is with all of the mana that Caster was providing. Cu could easily have killed him afterwards.
>But he beats Saber in F/HA.
In a situation where she is forced to defend Shirou. If it were only her, there would be no issue.
How do you win when the odds are against you in every conceivable way?
You don't play fair.
It's not faster in speed. It just shoot earlier because weapons are already there. Gil never actually won with just sword spam. He always use some hax weapons
>Can he project anything that would protect him against Cu's bolg? dont think so.
Is it really possible to be this much of a secondary?
>Raw ass
>Protecting against Gay bulge
He ate through Casters mana and still lost an arm
The idea was that UBW neutralize GoB's spam (that is if Gilgamesh wanted to prove a point with sword vs sword [that goes out the window once he deploys doomsday weapons and spaceships]), which leaves Gilgamesh with only his own skill to fall back on, and his melee skill is not heroic level.
While against other heroes that have mastered their weapon to the legendary degree, They don't need to worry about neutralizing the sword rain, and thus could blitz Emiya in melee.
>Rho Aias
>protecting against the melee version
did you turn your brain off?
Archer talks lots of shit which isn't true
That only works for projectile Gae Bolg, which Archer specifically wanted Lancer to use instead. He would be terrified of the melee version.
>Fate/complete material II: Character Material - Characters: Lancer, p.070-073
>Takeuchi: So, would Archer get hit?
>Nasu: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.
>Takeuchi: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?
>Nasu: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.
>Takeuchi: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…
>Nasu: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.
>Takeuchi: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.
>Nasu: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right
>They don't need to worry about neutralizing the sword rain
>Kuzuki was an assassin trained from birth to learn nothing but the same technique. His snake fist was specifically stated to be able to even deceive expert fighters. But since it is a technique of deceit at heart, experts fighters can easily learn to deal with it after witnessing it.
>Even a hand to hand expert like Bazett would be deceived by it. And when he is buffed by Caster....
>Comptiq 2006-07 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A:
>Q: If Bazett and Kuzuki got in a hand-to-hand fight against each other, who would win?
>A: If it's the first fight, then Kuzuki will win. If it's the second fight, then Bazett would pretty much completely win.
>Kuzuki could even drive Saber into a corner as long as his trick was kept hidden, but Bazett is also an expert at hand-to-hand combat thought of and developed by human beings. There's the possibility that she might adapt to Kuzuki's "snake" quicker than the Servants, who are more emphasized by their talent. However, since she might underestimate Kuzuki-sensei as being a normal person, Bazett could be beaten pretty simply.
Archer is broken as a support Servant for other servants.
Imagine if you were allied with Archer. Your servant gets free NPs to detonate. Karna dual wielding Vasavi Shakti (only works if he gets permission from the servant)
Plus due to tracing he can see the history of the servants NP which gives him the edge when it comes to recon stuff.
Also if a servant allows Emiya to view their past life memories he can project NP weapons they once had.
warrior servants just need to dodge them since the sword rain doesn't have true saturation, and the weapons suffers rank penalty.
>just need to dodge them
Because it works so well against Gate of Babylon
>doesn't have true saturation
What did he mean by this?
>the weapons suffers rank penalty
Only matters against Servants that have bullshit like Godhand.
He dropped weeaboo Archery
>The bow projected and used by Archer. It is a matte black straight bow, with a simple design. Unlike Shirou’s bow, Archer’s is Western-style, not Japanese. Accordingly, Archer does not use the Japanese shooting method of nocking the arrow in the palm of the left hand, but rather the traditional European method of nocking the arrow over the back of the left hand.
Lancer survived half a day against Gil and GoB. Against Archer, who would only have swords, UBW would be a cakewalk for him.
>Lancer survived half a day against Gil and GoB
>GoB fires swords like arrows
>Lancer has Protection from Arrows
Gee, I wonder why?
>"dodging wouldn't work on UBW because it doesn't work on GoB"
>list an instance of someone dodging GoB
>"that doesn't count"
Keep moving goalposts.
Does he still have the mental issues that made him a master archer even before touching a bow for the first time? Dude never let a loose an arrow that didn't hit the bullseye (aside from that time he aimed for a miss to try to learn how missing a shot felt)
Except that MC eats shit really hard in 40 different instances.
It means Emiya couldn't fire the rain in a way to prevent any possibility of dodging. He doesn't have Newtype powers that allows him to control them like funnels/bits/drones.
If it was only Saber she couldn't teleport directly to him, she was miles away, she might not die but she can't do shit to him
Gil has many, many, many more noble phantasms than Archer has ever collected in his life. Archer hasn't seen 0.01% of the Gate of Babylon. Every single weapon is a new threat, heroes can't deal with it.
If it was just attacking with the same weapons over and over, even mid-tier heroes can learn to compensate.
It's the fact that Gil keeps bringing out NEW SHIT including but not limited to: things that can't be blocked, things that do damage when dodged, things that explode, things that multiply, things that shoot fire, ice, and lightning, or things that teleport, that fuck up the enemy heroes.
>completely jobbed to Caster Cu
...
>character with feat of dodging GoB has a skill that explicitly allows him to dodge GoB, and thus UBW
>treating him as an exception is moving goalposts
Nope, there are a metric shitload of NPs than require some sort of skill to unleash.
The reason why Gil simply throws them is because he can't actually use them to their real potential. Shirou and Emiya on the other hand can perfectly replicate the user's experience into the weapons, hence why he can perform feats like Nine Lives.
He can also alter the weapon to suit his needs, like what he explicitly does to Caladbolg and Hrunting.
Holy fucking shit blow your brains out.
I bet according to you UWB "is the only magic afforded to Shirou Emiya" as well huh
EMIYA is the kind of guy who despite being statistically low tier can strike far above his station due to cunning and clever application of his versatile powers. He's a big-dog-slaying underdog.
>Probably take the sniper
This is when "Shirou" forgot that he could in fact use projection magic, clearly he's perfectly capable of discerning what will happen in the future.
The fact that EMIYA manages to win a couple of times against Hercules in the forest and actually fucking kills him severely reducing his God Hand lifehax is testament enough to the fact that he's overpowered.
Any Counter Guardian will be OP as shit, it just comes along with a huge mana drain and a limit to what he can do once summoned as a normal servant.
Thinking that EMIYA is weak is a sign of a pure secondary.
No ya git, there's plenty of magical weapons that do their magical bullshit automatically. He doesn't even have to activate them. In the Fate route alone we saw a sword that freezes the air and a scythe that cannot be blocked by anything but bone (). He has thousands of weapons like these.
And that's not even getting to the point where his enemies have to beware any weapon that might be poisoned or cursed. A single nick from the original Gae Buidhe or a weapon with similar powers can spell disaster.
>expecting Very Upset Jewish Man to be able to project stuff
Almost every servant introduced has a technique associated with their weapon rather than naturally stemming from the weapon.
There's a reason Gil only throws his weapons.
That's entirely irrelevant to the point I was making. Gil has every effect under the sun, and enemy heroes wither under Gate of Babylon because of that alone.
If the Gate of Babylon only shot one kind of exploding sword, it would be completely low-tier.
How does he use those effects?
By throwing then at you because he has no techniques. There's a reason he loses to a fucling humsn you braindead dipshit
not to mention that almost every hero was slain by some specific weapon in their legend, and that weapon IS at gil's disposal
its just shoots kryptonite basically
>Muh BASAKAH
Hera as a berserker is arguably weaker than Lancer and certainly weaker than Saber or Assassin.
He's still a fucking powerhouse.
He loses to Unlimited Blade Works because it's a perfect counter. No matter what he brings to bear, it clashes against itself and is invalidated. Context, mate, do you understand it?
>Powerhouse
Berserker is canonically weaker than Saber, Medea, Assassin, Gilgamesh and Lancer. You call that a powerhouse?
Kiritsugu is literally batman. Shiro is a typical shonen plot-armored MC.
He may be weaker than Saber (even then, if you bothered to read the novel and weren't a secondary you could see that she's struggling against him instead of destroying his ass like in the anime, and that's even without going into the whole "Shirou is a shitty master with no prana" thing) and Gilgamesh but there's no reason to think he's much weaker than Cu, Medea and (lmao) any Assassin in FSN.
He is quite literally over 50 times stronger and faster, with built in magic resistance and a larger mana pool and he still loses
You know why? Because outside of Ea his best strategy is throwing weapons because he HAS NO TECHNIQUES. He lost to a fucking AGE OF MAN-era HUMAN.
Kiritsugu is Batman. Shirou is Megaman.
Shirou had to goud Gilgamesh into a melee weapon vs melee weapon match to ensure Gilgamesh doesn't pull out other bullshits, like fricking laserbeams
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Assassin destroyed Heracles in a fair 1v1 and Medea summoned Sasaki Kojiro in the first place. Its safe to assume both are stronger than Berserker by the merit of slaying him.
Cu actually fought for half a day and grievously injured Gil instead of jobbing like Heracles did
You are approaching it from the wrong angle, remember that the Grail War is just a Ritual making use of Heroic Spirits, not the actual purpose of them, as note EMIYA is actually great support due his "Blacksmith" status and fakes and actually pretty useful as a "scalpel" because he is a weak shit which means his spirit is applicable for situations where the heavy hitters would be overkill, especially due independent action and seemingly being very energy efficient.
Rin just has the unfortunate fact that she accidentally used a Catalyst for him working against her or she would probably ended up with someone "better".
But why couldn't he kill herc all 12 times?
>muh pew pew caster and a jobber who can't leave some stairs in a thicket
>stronger than a gigantic guy with nine lives and a fuckhuge axe
no
>greatest blacksmith
Muramasa says hi.
Nope. Sasaki+Caster could just hold Berserker back for a night
>Assassin destroyed Heracles in a fair 1v1 and Medea summoned Sasaki Kojiro in the first place. Its safe to assume both are stronger than Berserker by the merit of slaying him.
What is this insane fanfiction?
Medea and Kojirou working together (TWO SERVANTS AT ONCE) barely managed to drive Heracles away without harming him at all.
>Shirou had to goad Gilgamesh into a melee weapon vs melee weapon match
But Shirou just fucking rushed him?
I still don't belive they made Shirou his descendent.
His editing skills, the skateboard ride and window jump are quite impressive. That's gotta be about 15ft right? With his weight he would've hurt his leg if he didn't know how to land properly. It's just pathetic considering the context.