Why do you think juvenile magical girl anime for otaku trash like Madoka, Yuuki Yuuna and Symphogear get more attention than objectively better written and directed mahou shoujo in the Western community?
Why do you think juvenile magical girl anime for otaku trash like Madoka...
They are produced for plebs.
Because Ojamajo Doremi wasn't fully released in the Anglosaxon and Germanic West. Germany for example only had two seasons, the US only the first.
What the fuck was the witch's problem?
>use "juvenile" as an insult
>insist a show for kids is better than a show for teens
Have you tried not being retarded?
Autists think their braindead kiddy shows are more "mature" than anime for teens because they're too retarded to understand the latter.
Kids' shows are the most patrician form of anime. Anyone with a sense of decent intelligence should recognize this.
Anyone with that opinion should not use "juvenile" as an insult.
Because they're newer and shorter. Isn't that obvious?
Otaku worship Madoka and the like for its juvenile nihilism and juxtaposition of cute aesthetics with so called "dark" themes for shock value. It's no difference from the fans of DDLC and reaction culture in general.
>Comparing Madoka to DDLC
This is some serious bait territory.
Did you even understand the point I made? Are you retarded? Illiterate?
Because Madoka, Yuuki Yuuna and Symphogear are relatively short series.
Watching stuff like Ojamajo or Precure means wacthing at least 50 episodes of mostly episodic monster of the week stuff and most people can't get int that.
It's just a prank bro, he was only pretending to be retarded.
It's a good impression. He had me fooled.
They're both worthless garbage and blights upon an already mature medium and clueless writers have claimed them to be deep and subversive countless times. The comparison is valid.
You haven't made any points. Shows for teens are magical girl anime at its most juvenile and pathetic. It's where the Prisma Illyas, edgy schlock and otaku degeneracy reign supreme.
Ojamajo Doremi Na-i-sho ep4 might be the most impressive and powerful statement the series has ever made.
It's a slow, somber, frequently silent, motif-driven window into a child's melancholy and loss of direction and the overcoming thereof. Never let it be said that you can't achieve lofty directorial goals within a child-palatable, merchandise-friendly framework because stories like this prove you can.
Why do you think being juvenile is a problem for Madoka but not for Doremi?
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Using Na-i-sho is cheating I’m still mad about that last episode
Madoka is built upon a dishonest framework to shock the audience covered with false optimism in the end to further throw the fans into disarray with Rebellion. It's also poorly written and compounded by pseudo-sci fi elements, flat characters and unearned emotions. Doremi is honest, takes the time to explore the characters and wide variety of down to earth themes and the writing is actually good, subtle and not in your face like Madoka.
They also have notoriously awful fanbases as well, but that's neither here nor there.
They get more attention in 日本 as well. Madoka is literally one of the top 5 best selling anime of all time in Japan with the likes of Evangelion and Bakemonogatari. Symphogear and Yuuki Yuuna were also succeses, so they get attention in Japan as well. Why use this "baka gaijins can't understand my Japanese cartoons" argument.
Also people can't get into Ojamajo Doremi because it has too many episodes and films, just like many people can't get into Precure.
Aren't you just trying to justify seeing hundreds of episodes of anime that panders to children?
>dishonest framework
>poorly written
>pseudo-sci fi elements
>flat characters
>unearned emotions
Ignoring what it means for fiction to be "dishonest" or why including sci-fi elements is such a problem: how does that amount to "juvenile"? I'm objecting to your misuse of this word. I don't give a shit what you think about Madoka.
Simple: immature people are attracted to cute + suffering, they believe that makes the work more interesting in itself. Reaction culture is built for the Madoka episode 3, Made in Abyss episode 10 and DDLC as recent examples. It's for anyone who would look down on sincerity, lightheartedness, "childish" aesthetics and genuine optimism if there isn't something sinister lurking beneath the surface.
>dishonest framework
what does that even mean?
>to shock the audience
The potentially most "shocking" scene was Mamis death in episode 3 because after that it was obvious even to complete retards that the show was rather serious in tone, so there wasn't really anything left that could "shock" anyone, especially since there were never any exeggerated graphical depictions of violence.
>false optimism
What false optimism? The end was mostly character development for Madoka. Like, what do even suppose the viewer was ought to be optimistic towards? The positive consequences wre spelled out fairly straightword.
>and compounded by pseudo-sci fi elements
Literally a single scifi element that merely acts as the trigger for the plot and has in itself little effect on the actual main focus of the show - the characters - is hardly compounded. Also what about it is "pseudo"? The only actually wrong thing Kubey ever said was something about energy loss iirc, aside from that everything mentioned was fairly simple but also accurate.
>flat characters
Elaborate.
>It's for anyone who would look down on sincerity, lightheartedness, "childish" aesthetics and genuine optimism if there isn't something sinister lurking beneath the surface.
I very much enjoyed both Madoka and Doremi as well as Made in abyss and Princess Tutu or Gakkou Gurashi and Dennou Coil and many other similar shows, though. Disregarding something simply because it combines two specific attributes seems pretty shallow to me.
Was there some sort of subtle yuri subtext in this episode or what did I miss / not understand about it?
If Madoka is a character driven show, then it might just be the worst in the genre's history, at least among acclaimed titles. Urubuchi fails emotionally connect the viewers to the characters, the cast feel more like tools to convey a theme rather than actual individuals with a history, relationships and an emotional range. The shows stoops to pseudo-scientific over explaining that becomes so convoluted and tasteless, Anne Frank herself is a magical girl in the show. The nihilism is a juvenile attempt to turn one of the staples of the genre on its head but it doesn't do anything in an interesting way whatsoever. The scene with Sayaka killing those civilians is one of the biggest examples of the problems in the show, it's absolutely obnoxious and in your face to prove a point. Madoka's ending falls flat because it relies on an emotional investment in Madoka herself, the least compelling character in the show. If one were to explain Madoka as a narrative and what is has to say, it'd be like seeing a single line from a book in all caps, underlined, bolded and circled around multiple times.
I felt weird about that episode too. I thought maybe she was gay for Doremi.
This is an awfully long post for so few things to say. But at least you did one good thing and gave an example:
>The scene with Sayaka killing those civilians is one of the biggest examples of the problems in the show, it's absolutely obnoxious and in your face to prove a point.
What point is it supposed to prove? We don't know how Sayaka killed them. It's possible that she did it and that helped trigger her turning into witch or it could be that she turned into a witch first. Sayaka got angry because she witnessed people trampling on the ideals she sacrificed so much for. However the point is that she was extremely desperate before that and this was merely the straw to break the camel's back. It's really one the less important scenes in the anime.
>Madoka's ending falls flat because it relies on an emotional investment in Madoka herself, the least compelling character in the show
Madoka was actually the best character in the show but judging from your former post it might've went over your head. But try to elaborate why you didn't liker.
Also why do you keep mentioning the pseudo-science without replying to my former statement about it if you want to discuss something?
If Madoka had around 50 episodes to drag everything out while adding new things for character development and filler (and keeping the movie as the movie), I believe it would be better and a lot more futa and Mami doujins
>Reaction culture
Care to explain an old man what this is?
You may claim that Madoka is a good character conceptually (muh figure of justice in a perverse world, muh idealization) but the execution itself is lacking and the wavelength of the characters are never really attuned to the audience in way that I can say the relationships feel authentic and her martyr feels emotionally earned. There are simply too many shortcuts taken for character drama and the directing that pervades the studio itself makes everything feel self-indulgent rather than inviting you in to care about the characters.
>ou may claim that Madoka is a good character conceptually (muh figure of justice in a perverse world, muh idealization)
And there we have it, you prove my point like I thought. That is precisely what Madoka is not. Madoka is a coward and an egoist for the most part and also a normal and nice girl. Why do you think Madoka didn't make a contract until the very last episode? Because she was goddman terrified. Her best friend at that time (Sayaka) literally begged her to fight by her side and what did Madoka do? She refused. Nice figure of justice right there. But guess what? That's normal. Most people are genuinely nice but in a matter of life or death will think of themselves first, which is why Madoka was also portrayed as kindhearted girl. It took 3 people close to her dying and a fourth being close to death as well to make her finally act but in the end she did, proving that she deeply cared about her friends.
Not really. The point is that Homura idealizes Madoka and tries to rob her of her agency so she can't make her own decisions. Madoka was always willing to be a magical girl for the whole show, she just didn't like how unfair Kyubey's system was. Blah I really don't care if you just want to believe everyone who doesn't like Madoka just doesn't get it. I wouldn't expect much better from this fanbase.