Whats the point of a story if MC is the most powerful being and destinated to win at everything without real setbacks...

Whats the point of a story if MC is the most powerful being and destinated to win at everything without real setbacks? Its not like there is anything to do except to see big ol skelly sealclub everyone without opposition

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There is none. There's no reason to care about a character if they have no actual problem to overcome.

A character can face conflict and problems not related to his powerlevel, shounenfag.

Overlord is just SAO but Sup Forums likes it instead.

Also is it just me or are most of the servants extremely unlikable except for like 2

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If you can't accept the concept of turnoil outside power level and fighting then you might as well look up for the DBZ thread

This Also seeing how other struggle. Still at least animefags don't know if they are other players and some world items could possibly be a threat.

You mean likeable as in charismatic or as in not horrible people?

Does Ainz know crop-rotation?

spoooooky

We don't know if he is the most powerful being and the general lack of information about this world and possible antagonists makes it interesting.
But for me Overlord is pretty meh, I honestly preferred SAO S1.

Also OPM is based on pretty much the same premise, but it's more of comedy and turned out pretty good.

needs more lizard sex

Power fantasy for self inserts

Good thing Ainz had none at all since everyone will suck his dick regardless

Exactly S2 got worse when it stopped focusing on lizards fucking.

>what is OPM

>MC is the most powerful being
Various dragons out-level him. Same with Rubedo. Also World Items exist.

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He struggled to kill one of his own floor guardians and It's alluded that there are people in his world much stronger than her.

That might be a conflict since he doesn't have a dick

He's powerful but not very smart, so he has to bullshit his way to world conquest which amuses me

are you using that pic ironically?

DID SOMEONE SAY CROP ROTATION

It is said how Rubedo looks and why is she so powerful?

>everything has to be about power levels
Are you really this stupid?
Character development does not always has to be about strength you know. In this case he struggle with being a good leader and live up to the expectation of his subordinates knowing very well he is just a pleb from another world.

Ainz isn't the most powerful. Platinum Dragon Lord and Horny Elf King are stronger than him. Overlord is about politics, not battles.

>Ainz
>MC
The latest LN volume barely had any content from Ainz's perspective. The anime is the same way. If you think he's some sort of self-insert protagonist then you might be dangerously retarded.

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You seem like retarded one why people force this self-insert everywhere. For many people it was teasted as anime about cool skeleton guy. Even the title sounds like it's about him not some lizards and humans.

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eight greed kings wiped out most of the dragon lords so how is ains weaker than any remaining DL also in one of the short stories shalltear fought all the DL at the same time and the result was that she killed them all at the expense of her life.
ainz is slightly weaker than shalltear so that should give you an idea about his power level compared to any other new worlder.

As he grew older, his true opposition will be all the misunderstanding he had made in the early years. You know that at some point Ainz will find out about Demiurge's farm and Albedo's gestapo squad. We will then see as he became the Emperor of the world and losing his human nature, replacing it with a cold, calculating overlord that he is.

No clue about how she looks (but she's Albedo and Nigredo's sister. She's the raid boss for Nazarick.

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So the reader can fantasize that he's a godlike being who can do whatever he feels like and effortlessly crush anyone he wants.

So what? An average soldier would be practically invincible if sent in a world inhabited by toddlers.

Overlord is a sitcom isekai about a single dad having to care of a bunch of children. Also happy farm sprinkled in.

>If you think he's some sort of self-insert protagonist then you might be dangerously retarded.

Fuck off moron. Ainz's player is a guy with no life who spent all his free time playing MMOs on line. We never learn anything about his past or real life relationships. He is a blank self-insert. Even if the LNs does shift away from him 10 volumes in or something, that doesn't change the nature of the early series. Calling people retards because they judge the series from the first season just makes you look like an arrogant blowhard.

Ainz Ooal Gown was rank 9 at the highest point.

>You know that at some point Ainz will find out about Demiurge's farm
He already did, he doesn't care

The guild, but Momonga was one of the weaker ones in terms of PvP, his only advantage was that he knew a shit ton about spells and game mechanics.

Albedo: C'mon Ainz!~ Let's have sex!~
Ainz: Ugh, no Albedo.
*Ainz flushes a nearby toilet*
*Live audience hoots and hollers*

Well, how about I just knock you flat on your ass you troll, that sound any better to you? Just name the time and the place and I'll be there.

>One shots everything in an insane aoe on a long cooldown
What a weak man.

>fite me irl if you dare!

Oh boy we have a real tough guy here! I''m quaking in my boots!

See

So who is the strongest person in the world aside from Ainz's group? Anyone that can actually stand a chance on a 1v1?

Sebas seems like he could solo the entire world right now

>Calling people retards because they judge the series from the first season just makes you look like an arrogant blowhard.
Not an argument, have you even read the LN? All of Ainz characterization is there.

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I see. Assuming with Nazerick he is the strongest unless they can get through all the guardians before Ainz's insta death spell is ready

but it's still a good thing Ainz didn't just send everyone out to start conquering

The way I saw the first season was building up to a personal struggle; less about who to beat in the fantasy world, but more about preserving his old world morals and beliefs instead of becoming the Lord of Death his character is. Remaining human, instead of submitting to the Arch-Lich.

The difference between Momon and Ains al Gown, to say it shortly.

I have no idea if any focus goes back to that because I think that's a more interesting dynamic than anything else in the show thus far.

Is the past of Ainz's player described in the LNs?

His internal turnoil at the beginning comes from understanding the intention of the NPCs, that's why he spent the first volumes being paranoid with the guardians, other conflict comes from his attempt at being regal and fitting for his position as a king. Most of the conflicts in Overlord come from Ainz himself, and I don't see how you fail to see this

>Overlord is about politics
>Politics are written for a 15 year old
Christ all mighty

There wont be any conflict within Ainz camp, he doesnt really care about hummies or what his servants do to them.

Too bad there hasnt been any. There is nothing internal as his subjects are blindly loyal to him and Ainz doesnt give a fuck of what they do. There are no external conflict given he is a big scary skeleton capable of jedi tricking minds n shit.

There is nobody to challenge ainz inside or outside his camp. There are no moral dilemmas for him either. There are no conflict between ainz and other characters due to powergap,lack of morals/need for compromise or loyalty. There isnt even a dilemma or conflict about going home because ainz doesnt give a fuck

What the fuck is there left? Fucking nothing except few rarely seen side characters that might disappear for volumes

Wait, he did? When was it told? cause i was sure Ainz would internally freaked out at it

>he thinks politics are complex
Nigger, all you need is power and influence, you think the retarded head of states are geniuses? they simply have connections and do shady stuff.

>Too bad there hasnt been any. There is nothing internal as his subjects are blindly loyal to him and Ainz doesnt give a fuck of what they do. There are no external conflict given he is a big scary skeleton capable of jedi tricking minds n shit.
>There is nobody to challenge ainz inside or outside his camp. There are no moral dilemmas for him either. There are no conflict between ainz and other characters due to powergap,lack of morals/need for compromise or loyalty. There isnt even a dilemma or conflict about going home because ainz doesnt give a fuck
>What the fuck is there left? Fucking nothing except few rarely seen side characters that might disappear for volumes

You have heard about how most of the guardians would almost immediately turned to their creators if given the chance and that Albedo's dead squad will immediately be seen as a betrayal to the guild if exposed right?

Not him, but from what I've seen all of Ainz's minions act as if they're in a dicksucking contest.

Overlord is a SoL, not a shounen.

Target audience does not equal genre.

>Homer's Odysseus is a self-insert because we don't learn about his hobbies.
It's impertinent to the story. The Isekai plot elements are only used for world building. This entire argument is basically judging a story by a stripped rendition of its prologue, and that's retarded.
I think political drama would be a better description. The actual politics get fudged a lot.

Ok. Overlord is not a battle shounen.

Later on, it's mostly the humans from Slane Theocracy that attacked Carne. Hence Ainz is okay with it since he said to do whatever with them after he beat them.

What conflicts? The biggest "conflict" was coping with the morality changes of going from videogamer to a lich, which was solved swiftly. After that there's nothing that challenges him intellectually, emotionally or etc. At worst, it is his raging autism what causes an otherwise simple world conquest "utopia building" powerfantasy into being needlessly more complicated than by all means it should be.

Didn't change the fact that they pledged to Ainz because he's the only SB left, if another SB appeared and for whatever reason hostile to Ainz, almost all of the guardians would probably thought of changing sides (except PA and Albedo)

>He doesn't care about hummies
He does, though. Particularly the welfare of his countrymen. It may not be for purely humanitarian reasons, but he does.
>Nobody to challenge Ainz
That's wrong too. Everything up to this point is building suspense and anxiety over potential threats. I doubt anyone sees a happy ending coming for Ainz.
Also read about Albedo's bedroom.

You seem like the kind of person that doesn't do well in strategy games.

I'm pretty sure he's okay with it because they were killing the innocents, while the one in Demiurge's farm takes all kind and some are even noted as parents

You're honestly comparing the Iliad and the Odyssey to Overlord? We learn vastly more about the lives of the heroes in these epics than we are told about Ainz's player. And these epics were recited for people who were deeply familiar with the lives of these heroes and knew all about their pasts and personalities. And they formed part an an epic cycle that covered previous and subsequent events as well; it's just that these other works have been lost. Overlord is a stand-alone work and thus can't rely on previous works to develop the MC's personality.

We do learn about the hobbies of Odysseus by the way. E.g. his interactions with his hound Argos shows that he loved dogs and hunting.

More like annoying, extremely annoying. Like they're someone's super cool edgy OC.
I also found climb to also be annoying

Why do people like OPM or NGNL then?

I like weak to strong and the best if they understimate him and he hide his powers

For the people saying there can't be anything to worry Ainz, take a look at the World Items. Most of the twenty look like they were designed to fuck Nazarick up. Also every now and then new players appear in the world. Since he is immortal, he's bound to find to find other players eventually.
And if we go by everything that was shown up to now, all of the players that came before Ainz are dead. So I can see this as a signal that things won't always be as easy as one would expect.

The only thing worth complaining is how slow the pace of the story is. World building is great, but it's been 12 volumes with 400+ pages each and it still feels like nothing important really happened.

That's only a hypothetical. There's not even proof that the other guild members are in that world. At this point there's absolutely no reason to think that Ainz's minions will betray him.

But then again all of them are literally their various masters' OC's of varying quality, so it makes sense I guess

>what's the point of the rides if you can't die while riding them?
That's the point. Sometimes I want to see the MC being an overpowered evil mastermind. Sure, Ainz is really softcore about being evil but whatever, I'll live with that.

i prefer really strong characters that have issues outside of power levels, the shounen shit gets tiring after awhile where the protag's and antagonists just get stronger and stronger as the series goes along to the point of retardation

So you prefer series where the protagonist is strong to the point of retardation from the start?

Yes, he was a wageslave with no friends or family (mother died from overworking, don't remember what happened with his dad) in a dystopian future where the Earth was so polluted that you couldn't even go outside without a mask and corps controlled everything.
YGGDRASIL was his entire life and all his "friends" were there so when he left him he ended up with serious abandonment issues.
Many of his actions through the story are motivated by his desire to meet his friends once again and his crippling fear of being abandoned by his minions if they discover he isn't the evil mastermind they think he is (which is ironic becausw they have abandonment issues too).

How the fuck can you be weaker than the NPCs that you create yourself? Fucking idiot, I bet Momonga was one of those autists that made a shitty build on purpose just for the "role play". MMOs are SHIT, but if you're going to play one ateast make a viable build.

Maybe hypothetical, but remember that he has unknowingly approved Albedo of her death squad, and for all the remaining guardians know, they could have suspected that Ainz had already killed most of them with it, thus further moving the drama that they might just outright leave Nazarick to search for their master's

not him, but I do. Better than a week protag that gets stupidly OP anyways trough "O MY HIDDEN POWER"

Not the guy you're talking to but you clearly didn't read attentively: he said that issues outside of power levels are more interesting and therefore the power level does not matter.
The interesting thing about Overlord is that the protagonist is believably cautious despite him being powerful since he does not know what lurks out there. The suspense does not come from beating enemies the suspense comes from not knowing whether one can beat the enemy or not and what the consequences to getting involved with them may be.

Whats the point of life if God is the most powerful being and destined to win at everything without real setbacks? Its not like there is anything to do except to see big old man sealclub everyone without opposition.

*weak

The Guardians are meant to be stronger than a single player since they are pseudo-raid bosses and yes, Ainz has an autistic RP necromancer build.

You didn’t read the LN
minmax fag

yes because his power level is set from the start and the first episode tends to let you know what to expect going forward as opposed to say DBZ where you get 1 more retarded power level after another and it never fucking ends they just keep coming up with more bullshit, Super Saiyan went from some legendary warrior to fucking half saiyan kids being able to do it at will because lmao

I mean, others have pointed out that him being all-powerful isn't the point of the story. It's him learning to live in this world and more importantly carve out a place for his followers to be safe and secure. Dude's worrying 24/7 about doing shit wrong or accidentally-ing a huge ass war when he's not ready and doesn't know 100% of what's going on. He's a salaryman way over his head, and there's a reason Demiurge is often the one coming up with his plans and simply saying "sasuga Ainz-sama" because everyone genuinely believes he's just trying to teach them to think on their own and Ainz is perfect.

DBZ is cancer, in all honesty. Maybe not the first few arcs, but eventually it's gone full retard.

It's almost as if the journey was more important than the destination isn't it?

This alingside nobody wanted to sell info for add revenue really broke the immersion. I doubt author has played mmos

There's minmax, viable and shit. Ainz is shit.

Doesn't make sense, a player should never be able to create a permanent NPC stronger than himself. That is something only devs should be able to do.

Ainz is viable, he won most of his pvp matches.

He was one of the strongest players. And he did defeat his minmaxed pet vampire in a solo fight.

>NPCs are raid bosses
That's not true. They're just like normal players, not stronger, not weakers. The difference is that the owners can define their NPCs' stats, so it's much easier to minmax. In Yggdrasil you couldn't create multiple characters, so unless you were really careful since the beginning, it would be very easy to make mistakens along the way and end up with a suboptimal build.

If anyone need an example, think about Pokémon: the pokemon you use during your journey end up being way weaker than the ones you bred (or hacked) specifically to battle online.

Hellsing did that right.

>not weaker
>make mistakes
Fixed.

Said NPCs were meant to protect the Guild HQ, it's not like they could take them out on a walk and the devs didn't give a fuck about fairness or balance.

Not about balance, but about player freedom. In this case, about players having TOO much freedom.

>pay to win items
Lol, no. He was one of the weakest in his guild, which was a strong guild but not one of the best.

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I can understand that explanation better. Although, player equipment should make up for that, when comparing player and player-created NPCs. It:s stupid that Ainz is weaker than his guardians. If you want to make a shitty selfinsert God mode protagonist at least make it so.