Wtf is this. How are the older generation ninja so much more powerful than the current ones?

wtf is this. How are the older generation ninja so much more powerful than the current ones?

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He was a demi god

Inconsistent shit writing, the powercreep got way out of hand.

They weren't though. Only Madara, the previous 4 hokages, the previous Raikage and the second mizukage.

Everyone else sucked.

Weak inductive reasoning.

They're not. Comparing them when alive and human, Naruto beats Hashirama and Sasuke beats Madara.

Netero rip off.

lol

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*Homage. They are good friends, AND YOU KNOW THIS MAN.

He was exceptional in his time specifically because everyone else sucked ass.

>homage
To thousand hands Guanyin?

>why are the older ninja so much powerful
>chooses one of two demigods as an example
Guess two people make up all ninja

hell I'd say the 4th and 3rd aren't really all that strong compared to the rest. 3rd is hard to gauge because he never does a lot but he didn't seem above Orochimaru tier. 4th was a shitter with ONE good jutsu. All the fame comes from beating the fox and that was pretty much because his wife family chain stuff.

>4th was a shitter with ONE good jutsu
Even the 7th is just that way.

Hashirama was stupid powerful little reason besides muh wood. At least Sharingan had been around and madara had a the fox. The 1st is without assistance able beat Madara riding the nine tailed fox covered in susanoo armor in a direct fight. Madara was nowhere near that niggas level.

>MINATO
>NOT STRONG
Mother fucker has Hax for Days
Even Obito TRYING to kill him was getting pretty handily fondled by Minato and Obito was no fucking joke he had the damn Kamui and his phase trick.
That was WITHOUT Sage mode too which he knew.
Don't fucking give me that One Good Jutsu deal either, that's Naruto's shtick too.
The third yes he's not all that special but we never saw Prime Hiruzen so maybe back when he was the Sanin's teacher he was a complete Monster.

Just a payback for the Sasuke rip off.

Powercreep.

Pain was stronger than a Hokage. Stronger than Naruto's sensei. Stronger than the whole village of Konoha. Hokage was the level (established with the fight Orochimaru vs Sarutobi) Naruto was supposed to reach by the end of the manga. And Kishimoto made Naruto surpass that. Not even halfway through

He fucked up.

>MUH RASENGAN

Remember when kishi said in interviews how the 4th was the strongest ninja ever? Then he appears and turns out he had 1 cool technique that he didn't even invent, while Madara and the other kages are gods. Its sad how ridiculous Naruto became

Ehhhh I wouldn't go that far. From the flashback it pretty much looked like Hashirama feigned defeat only to pop out with a backstab on Madara. I wouldn't call it an utter victory.

Pika and Killua were first idiot. Same thing with learning category by using a glass of water.

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Hokage is also about being a role model, which is an attribute to strength.

1. naruto
2. hashirama
3. Minata
4. Tobirama
5. hiruzen
6. Tsunade
7. Kakashi

that's the correct order. You're wrong.

Hashirama would shit all over Naruto. You realize wood jutsu will suppress Naruto's chakra and sage chakra? Don't forget about Hashirama's absurd amount of chakra too.

I still can't believe everything in Naruto happened because of Black Zetsu and he was the secret true antagonist all along.

/thread. now everyone fuck off
saged

2nd hokage was a lot smarter and original.

Basically invented every jutsu almost, and he had the same amount of chakra as Hashirama, except he could only utilize water instead of water.

Y'all niggas underestimate Tobirama when he basically had about his brother's chakra and can make water out of thin air PLUS he created FOURTH HOKAGE's signature technique, flyiing thunder god

Naruto writing is a really bad joke

He would be exceptional in any time you put him in. It's only when power levels got moon bustingly retarded that he would not be seen as overpowered.

Didn't Madara once imply that Tobirama was faster than Hashirama?

He is the strongest ninja. Everyone above him are just wizard gods or other bullshit. He's the last one that deserves the title "ninja". I just wanna shitpost, but I kinda convinced myself too

Yes but when they were revived, 4th outsped him arriving in the battlefield before 2nd

Because it's all fucked since Kishi stopped giving a damn after awhile. Remember when the 3rd when Oro summoned the hokages against the 3rd, and the 3rd was more concerned with the 4th being rezed than the other two? Then as an old man he somehow held off Oro, the 1st, and the 2nd all at once? See, it worked fine back then because people just assumed that the kages were relatively around the same level and the 4th was trumped up as a prodigy super kage. In retrospect, the 1st should have shit all over old man 3rd by himself, let alone needing the other two.

Link? There's no way he'd say that when it was established early on that Hashirama beat Madara with the Kyuubi while Minato with his wife got killed by the Kyuubi alone.

he created it but tobirama himself said Minato was better at it

Orochimaru was microing them, it wasn't like when Kabuto revived them.

Then you have the 2nd, who invented a bunch of crazy ass techniques and had similar chakra reserves to the 1st. Oro is near fucking immortal so it doesnt even matter if he does anything. It's just really fucking inconsistent writing. Post timeskip was a fucking mistake, at least the powerlevels made relative sense pre timeskip

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Kurapika and Killua got one full year of him. And Hiei got a decade, so unless you got a picture of Kishi's time machine, it's safe to assume who got what from who.

It ain't all bad, You got Chrollo holding his book like Kakashi at least

>summon literally only the 1st
>micro him only, don't give a shit about your own body because you can't be killed except by some seriously hax shit
>win instantly

Genetics, they were direct descendants of the first ninja who was hailed god himself.

90 year old Hiruzen solo'd Hashirama and Tobirama

That was what they hoped to achieve during the great war, sadly Madara was too much of a hack

Which is bullshit in retrospect. Hiruzen was just a really strong and hardworking normalfag against a fucking demigod, the greatest ninja tech inventor ever, and an immortal tranny

>Iruka save Naruto when he's a kid
>Jiraiya teach Naruto Rasengan & way of ninja
>Hachibi teach Naruto how to befriend with Jubi
How is Kakashi a teacher figure again?

Who's truly underrated is the 3rd, he had no bullshit teleportation jutsu or ninja god genes but he was hailed as Ninja God in his prime. And at 90 he solo'd Orochimaru, a sannin, and rezz'd 1st and 2nd hokage.

cuz they live and grow up in the war, vs the pussies from the last gen vs the faggots of the actual gen

Kakashi powerleveled the fuck out of him with thousand clones tech and got him to figure out how to add elements to the rasengan

>speedreading
It wasn't 100% Hashirama and Tobirama only Kabuto was able to summon them at their peak.

The 3rd is basically the Guy/Rock Lee of kage. He just worked hard and had no bullshit at all.

>It wasn't 100% Hashirama and Tobirama
Proof?

Well the only bullshit that you can point out was his staff. Sadly it wasn't that utilized in the war

Series for me peaked at the end of Sannin arc.

Some good stuff after, but powercreep went all over the fucking place.

You could somewhat make it believable by making it about their bloodline and genes, and mixing just ruined it all through the years. Or all the secret crazy jutsus were lost since they weren't passed down in peace times.

Either way, Edo Tensei was a huge fucking mistake after the first time.

They were at 80% or something if I remember correctly. Even at 10% Hashirama should've been stronger than the 3th.

Obito was a 14 year old and the whole thing still resulted in Minato's death

Nigger even Hashirama at 30% should have fucked the old man. The only way this is plausible is if Oro summoned him at like 5% of his power.

1st is the OP. & 2nd is the genius.
4th is the combination between 2nd & 1st. He's definitely strongest if he lived longer.

He also had hax ass sharingan magic shit. Sasuke is only 16 at the end of Naruto and he shits on 99% of the cast

Itachi some mysterious hax uchiha villain
Oro smug as fuck
4th so hax we don't even know why but everyone scared of him
1st and 2nd completely unknown except founders.

Shit was great for awhile.

>Pain was stronger than a Hokage.

The hokage at that time maybe, but any of the 5 before Tsunade, Pain would have been wrecked.

All he did was make the fucking rasengan and copied the 2nd's moves

This. The story worked so much better back then.

Theres no one at 1st's level, dude could legit fuck up entire continents.

2nd was basically made out to be the analytical genius of all kage.

3rd got sidelined completely

4th is a one trick hax pony.

Its weird how much they build up the 4th, then shat all over him to build up the 1st and 2nd.

Even his signature ability is now really from the 2nd.

>hailed as Ninja God in his prime.

10/10 ninja that knew every single technique in Konoha even more than Kakashi.

He didn't perfect both of those techniques, he had a short life which was the point of the post. IF he had lived to like 3rd's age he would have been the strongest.

He also died young, fag.
He'd probably invent more techniques if he live longer.

And he got that strength through "Muh Destiny's Child", which makes the whole theme about being an underdog completely worthless.

Kakashi is the shittiest Hokage on record.

>Even his signature ability is now really from the 2nd.
That pissed me off. They could have atleast let him have that and then it would have made sense why he was so feared, he basically made 2 hax moves and was still young so he was only going to get better. Now people should have been like "oh, a shittier second"

>Genius
>Don't give a fuck
My favorite is easily the 2nd.
He's the Batman of Hokage, while 1st is the Superman.

Tsunade exist though.

Why is Sup Forums so knowledgeable about nurutu?

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Is it not an a/m?

War weeded out the weak pretty fast. Also, Hashirama and Madara were freaks.

3rd beat both first and second, which really shows how much of a bitch Orochimaru was.

Tsunade would still beat Kakashi.

The most jarring thing for me is that the First and Second were treated as nigh mythological creatures despite only being 40 years gone at max? That's just fucking weird.

Also Orochimaru became such a fucking joke of a character over the timeskip to Shippuden. It's almost comical that he was supposed to be this super serious villain at the beginning of the series.

I feel like they didn't do enough with snake sage powers. Especially since half his move set is pulled from the sound ninjas.

oh user you must not have been in the threads. People who complained about naruto knew that damn manga better than the """fans"""

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Everybody knew about Naruto but now it is ok to talk about it.

How is the 3rd weak when he was the oldest yet was the only one technically uninjured during the final War? 1st and 2nd were maimed, 4th's hands were cut.

Kakashi a shit

If your gate to the anime world is not Naruto manga in the late 90's then you're worse than newfag.

No series have gave me the same magic as Chuunin & Zabusa Arc in Naruto.

If Naruto was your gate anime then you're in your early 20s or underage.

Because he is old. He may have been an immortal zombie but he was an immortal zombie in his seventies or eighties.

1st and 2nd weren't that strong lol, 1st was killed off-cam while 2nd sacrificed himself so danzo and 3rd could live. Both scenarios which they could have survived if they were really strong. 1st is actually the only arguable strong in them. Heck 3rd might even be the strongest by virtue of living long//surviving and only beat because he was old. Even orochimaru admitted that if Hiruzen was younger when they fought, Orochimaru would have died.

Because the third didn't face Madara 1v1.

But he turned Konoha into a thriving technologically advanced metropolis

You're a fucking faggot if you doubt Hashirama's position as the strongest Hokage among all 8.

Kakashi is the best Hokage Konoha ever had.

The only thing that stood out about Sarutobi was that he could use all the elements. Hashirama could change landscaped with ease in a battle and Tobirama invented a ton of jutsus.

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>implying Shisui couldn't just control any of the old hokages

Oh I didn't know HxH invented Buddha statues

Jesus you people are pathetic

>1st was not that strong
>uses Sage Mode to take on an Uchiha with EMS Susanoo AND the Nine Tails and wins
(You)

Sup Forums loved Geass, eagerly watched Valverave, that mecha show with the rape and dragons, and even CG Berserk. And even now loves modern One Piece and FranXX. What's different between them and naruto?

Yet he died in a battlefield? Against literally who? The Raikage faced ten thousand before he died but for Hashirama he just died. And 2nd? literally who also killed him? This was all in their peak meanwhile Hiruzen FAR away from his peak was killed by what, a sannin in his peak with a revived 1st and 2nd hokage.

Yeah yet they died very unlikely deaths for their supposed power

Tsunade is the only character who wouldn't have died when
>Minato got impaled
>Jiraiya got skewered
>Asuma got speared
etc, etc..

The girl is so cheated she can get transpierced by Madara's Susanoo as if it were nothing

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