So how the fuck can Vegeta go Super Saiyan Blue if he can't even go SS3 or The base red form of SSGod...

So how the fuck can Vegeta go Super Saiyan Blue if he can't even go SS3 or The base red form of SSGod? Like it took the strength of 6 Saiyans for Goku to go god form against Beerus so it made sense that Goku was able to go back to the form since he had achieved it briefly. But Vegeta just skips past 2 different stages and goes straight to blue. And then even essentially goes SS2 version of Blue against Jiren. Why the hell does Toriyama never like explaining how Vegeta powers up compared to Goku?

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he´s being trained by a fucking angel

Is super saiyan 3 the worst form? I think so.
It looks bad and its power is bad. I'm not surprised they scrapped it.

Vegeta absorbs some of Goku super sayian God energy.

Saiyans are natural mimics.

He didn't need 6 full saiyans' power because he's smaller.

Because the anime version of Super is dumb and makes no sense.

>But Vegeta just skips past 2 different stages
SSB isnt supposed to fall in a sequence of transformations like SS1, SS2, and SS3. Its a whole different transformation. But i guess it also doesnt even matter because of how gotenks was able to go SS3 straight from the first transformation

>VEGETA AZUL
otherwise spics couldnt self-insert

Vegeta has SSG, he just never needs to use it in the anime.

>The base red form of SSGod
They never stated he couldn't, logic dictates that after Goku says next time they'll do the ritual for him that that's exactly what he did, then after training with Whis he reached the point of not needing to use Red because he could go Blue.

Brainlets however will call bullshit because we never see him go SSG (in the anime, we do in the Manga) and so screech to high heavens about how he can't use it. They're probably the same people the Zeno's where created for to literally spoonfeed everything that happens to them as it happens.

in the manga he can actually go SSG, but the anime skipped it completely

bejita is absolutely capable of achieving ssj3. though the form is such trash, a master tactician like himself would never consider using. also vegeta does get ss god, it's just never shown in the anime.
now what toriyama should really explain is how goku gets all these never ending power ups and new forms with half as much training and single digit iq.

>cheats to get ssj2
>never gets ssj3
>cheated to get ssj4
>just jumps to blue
>gets an ultra version of blue
>doesn’t even get ui and has to cuck for goku to win for him

Meanwhile Goku is going to save the universe alongside two people that tried to kill him. One of which still wants to.

isnt training and achieving ssj2 and ssj3 with unlimited stamina in afterlife cheating? isnt the ss god ritual also cheating?

Goku cheated fair and square. He didn’t need an evil wizard or his wife’s bullshit machines to get his next form.

>vegena couldnt go 2 before majin
laughing saibamen dot jpeg

>cheated to get ssj4
More like his wife is a true genius to figure out how to make use of blutz waves to transform her husband into 4.
>isnt the ss god ritual also cheating?
It was supposed to be the only way for somebody to achieve the form in the first place.

SS3 is pretty much useless if you're alive
The transformation drains too much energy, so it can only be used effectively while dead
If alive, it's only worth using for a short while, so SS2 is overall better than SS3 for long battles

But SS isn't a prerequisite for SSG or SSGSS so

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What level of training on Earth could've helped Vegeta unlock SSj2 retard ? Seal gave it to him period

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how did yamoshi achieve it? how did vegeta achieve it?

so you be sayin teen gohan was MAJINNN???!!!!?!? awww shieeeet!

>how did yamoshi achieve it?
He didnt, the lore Toriyama came up a couple months ago said he died as the first ever SS against a bunch of evil oozaru saiyans.
His spirit is what supposedly allows other saiyans to go SSG.
>Vegeta
Well, Vegeta never went SSG in the anime despite plenty of opportunities and screentime. He just trained with Goku and together they achieved Blue.

vegeta already had ssj2 before letting babidi control him. he needed the boost cause goku was still stronger as a ssj2

vegeta trained with whis and achieved super saiyan god ( manga) and ssb ( both)

its not that big of a deal, ssj3 is something he can do but why would he? its a shit form that goku rarely uses

Saiyans power up by losing, so it makes sense that Vegeta lost so many times that he got stronger.

vegeta did achieve ssjg merely thru training with whis in the mango. im not certain but i dont recall even a mention of another ritual taking place.
hell yea, vegeta even said all he wanted was to be that dark evil prince again, the boost was negligible. and concerning ssj3, even when goku fought caulifla and kale, he was like whoops didnt mean to go 3 my bad.

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>Goku looks like a Chad in SSJ and SSJ 2
>Vegeta looks Johnny Neptune in SSJ and SSJ 2
Always wondered why don't Vegeta, Gohan, and Goku go to clubs in SSJ form. They would pull so many bitches

Doesn't explain why did Jobgeta never catch up to Goku.

he did. i reckon it was confirmed base vegeta is stronger than base goku, even while training with whis vegetas training was 2x rigorous. hence he managed to achieve full power blue. but hey the main character always has to have a trump card, so UI was introduced.

Who cares? he is not even top 3 hero anymore.

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Vegeta is stronger in equal forms but goku has UI

>top 3 heroes hid and slept through a good half of the match
typical toriyama

> "why isn't the secondary protagonist as strong as the mc?"

The level of intelligence on Sup Forums

Sure it's an established rule, but people want a reasonable explanation for it.

Because goku almost always gets the new form before vegeta does. In equal forms they are more or less equals in dbs atleast.

It's reasonable in the original series, at least. Goku only unlocked SSJ3 because you need to be beyond life (fusion or dead) to achieve. Also it's pretty explicit that Goku is a combat genius, matching Vegeta initially through hard work, and then surpassing him at times like the Cell Saga by just training smarter.

It is kinda cool how with his royal blood Vegeta surpasses Goku at moments. Original SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku.

>single digit iq

Goku maybe stupid, but he's a full fledged battle autist

Yes. It's the ugliest.