Microsoft have made it completely pointless to buy an xbox because its all out on PC

Microsoft have made it completely pointless to buy an xbox because its all out on PC.

Considering most people will want to be owning a PC for other things in life its completely pointless to buy an xbox for gaming AND a pc for normal shit.

Why buy a $200 PC to do the day to day shit and a $350 xbox to play games when you can spend $550 and get all those games on the xbox, with better graphics, all the thousands of games that aint on xbox, free online, mods, upgradability, not to mention a pc you can do all the normal day to day shit with.

Seems kind of a dumb move. Give me one good reason anyone would want to buy an xbox.

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A cheap setup box to watch UHD-BD with.

Normie friends who don't know what a pc is.

Kids of 5 years fucking old know what PC gaming is. Just look at minecraft. They have no excuse.

Microsoft doesn't care.

The entire point of the Xbox brand was to take market-share away from Sony's gaming division.

Whether they do that with games on Xbox or games on PC, it doesn't matter to them (not that they're doing a great job of it right now).

They don't have any excuse, but those are the kind of people I work with. Dudebros who only play Call of Duty

Minecraft has sold much more on console that it ever did on PC.

"Most" people buy a laptop, and they can't handle things more demanding than The Sims or indie games. It makes more sense to pick up a current gen console on Black Friday, than to drop hundreds on a gaming PC, which is tethered to one location at a time, to replace their perfectly functional laptop.

>with better graphics, all the thousands of games that aint on xbox, free online, mods, upgradability,

That may be crucial to you, but you aren't most people, and they don't care.

I love this as a PC gamer to be honest,

PC-XBOX ALLIANCE UNITE

Surely pushing something that fails is only going to cost them money. I can imagine people will have even LESS reason to buy an xbox because of E3. Not to mention microsoft only makes money on the software sales of windows 10, not the pc parts or any third party game.

Software sales of windows 10... lel

its not pointless, its a cheap way to play the latest games. its also a cheap way to put your games on another television since if you buy a game it can be played on all your microsoft hardware. its basically like a steam machine now.

kill yourself.

the development of eGPU is actually starting to get to that magical point where you can plug an external video gard to a laptop and then proceed to game. That is the breaking point.

try to understand that not everyone wants to buy a gaming PC. microsoft is smart enough to realize this, which is why they've combined the two.

I could write up a 2 hour presentation for why PC is better than consoles, and my cousins wouldn't give two fucks. They like consoles, they will always buy consoles, so no reason to even try to convince them.

I know, says alot about consoles.

>Why buy a $200 PC to do the day to day shit
>buy a $200 PC
>$200

Thats still the cost of a laptop and a console. I do see the point about it being tethered to one location, but you have phones for that. Which everyone also ownes.

>Microsoft is smart enough to realize this
That explains why they are already working on a new console, and throwing this past one in the trash as a failure right?
Oh shit wait

sonyboi please understand
the scorpio shits all over the neo and is in the same family as the one all one games play on the scorpio.

you still have to BUY the games stupid, that's where the real money is made

jesus you're retarded

Why what would you put the PC cost at? My price was just to get something that can do normal tasks. Any higher would only prove my point more as the cost would be added to the total.

>where you can plug an external video gard to a laptop
Ah yes, I can't wait to be on the move with a gpu strapped to my laptop
just buy a fucking desktop at that point.

This.
And Microsoft isn't sony.
If the Xbox has a shitty year Microsoft has multiple billion generating products so they don't give a shit.
It won't fucking die the moment Xbone has a bad year.

>Neo was confirmed
>NX coming within the next year or two
Yeah, let's not keep up with the Joneses or anything. And besides, it's not like the current xbone will suddenly stop working once the S release.

With their games on PC, Microsoft will sell just as many (if not more) copies of their games now that their playerbase is split across two platforms. In addition, they can scale back their console manufacturing, which they produce at a loss, while still nabbing the fanboys who pay $100 for a "pro" controller.

This is a win-win for them.

>buying games
>PC

Pick one.

Also.
Im not asking where the money is made im asking why microsoft is spending money at all on the xbox and then making it moot to own one.

this
this is just free money for microsoft. Most PC users won't buy an xbone anyway.

>who pay $100 for a "pro" controller
*$150

lets say you want a computer that can play games.

you can build your own, which many people NO MATTER how easy it is, just can't be assed to do. or you can buy a prebuilt PC, which may run games well depending on who sets you up with a machine, or you dig around for a good machine.

or just buy a console, the new Xbox is maybe going to be a really powerful console and all your existing Xbone games will work on iy.

so this is for people who arent that much of pc enthusiast. I myself own an Xbone to play with friends, but I plan on upgrading my PC soon cause I dont see any use in buying the new xbox for now. I might depending on the price, cause I like owning physical games and being able to carry my consoles around.

What you say is true, in other words. This doesn't change anything since Microsoft are greedy fucks that wanted the wealth of cash made from multi plats. They won't allow steam on their console as they are in direct competition with them as a distributor platform, they will only benefit on exclusive sales to a wider audience, while believing this will offset peoples choices from upgrading a PC with the same price it costs a Scorpio to enjoy similar experiences.

It's about the games in the end, don't they think it's a terrible move for certain genres they are strongest in, why play FPS on a console type system, everyone will shift their attention to the PC Win10, the same with racing and even sport especially due to their anti multiplayer on one console ideology.

They will shrink their console sales of multi plats for Scorpio with this move, not increase it.

Sure it's going to the brand, but this provides less incentive to buy the Scorpio as a replacement is provided.
You can't rely on your consumers to be dumb when the average age of a gamer is older than a teenager.

>With their games on PC, Microsoft will sell just as many (if not more) copies of their games now that their playerbase is split across two platforms.
funnily enough they were smart enough to have cross play and cross buy for both platforms. I'm glad they did something so pro-consumer.

People are getting off topic. Im not asking why microsoft is doing this. Im asking why I or anyone else would want to buy an xbox when a PC is a better choice both for games and money wise.

Some alright points so far but it really just sounds like they are making xbox for kids or people who dont really play games.

I'm a pc guy since forever and I would rather buy an xbox than deal with win10

this guy gets it, I use my PC for leisure and grafix/performance
and my xbone for friends

Sonyigger shill?

Pc only.

Which I dont understand because a PC would still be the better choice for both.

Because the average consumer is a technological mongoloid that doesn't even know that a PC has more than a GPU, CPU and RAM.
That most people would look at an XBONE and see that it's a better deal than the average prebuilt computer
You also have people that will go "Well I have all this PC games that will work on a bone so let's get that too"

How is it this hard to understand you autist? Do you think that all the millions of people that bought a Bone or a PS4 bought it for exclusives? Look at how shitty BloodBorne, THE PS4 exclusive did compared to other multiplatform games.
It's not fucking rocket science.

>I'm a pc guy since forever and I would rather buy an xbox than deal with win10
This.

More importantly though, the PC and console markets have very little overlap.
Anyone that thinks this will hurt Microsoft needs to take a look at the most popular games on playstation 4 (they're all multiplats available on xbone)

>I have never used win10 before
win7 has become the new xp

Sony did overall performance better than Xbone - because of Kinect, that stigma never washed away. I'd admit the Xbone features are 100x better than what they were, but you know what?

People don't give a fuck, do it right in the first place or suck a gigantic fat dick. They are tired of an industry that puts quality into an update. They didn't read the mood of the times, so Sony far outsold Microsoft for not being a fuck up.

Both had strong marketing campaigns, for multi platform games and this is where the generation won. It's like you didn't even realize the Wii was the greatest success of it's generation, or the lucrative sales of mobile gaming still.

If you were focusing the topic on AAA games, sequels may be fun, but they are old, and Microsoft is full of stale fish repeating the same formula in a new skin.

You know what was a good game? Titanfall. You know what happened to it? Microsoft fucked Respawn in the ass and there was no server matchmaking.

The company made horrible choices for gamers, and fixed their mistakes later. Sony had no exclusive honors, they just made less mistakes.

People were smart enough to realize that, not enough positive marketing spin could fix that.

>I have something to play all these games, so lets spend more money on something to play these games.

Why would anyone ever do that? People will really spend a few hundred just to play games they can already play? At lower graphics and with p2p online?

Surely even the biggest moron could work out that they may as well at least buy a ps4 or wii U so they could have some other games.

I can only guess from the posts in this thread that the only reasy ANYONE would buy an xbox is because they are stupid or have stupid friends.

Get a HD with Win10 installed, dual boot off your gaming rig instant presto a $200 attachment that saves money from buying Scorpio, which could go towards a 2017 AMD chip.

>wanted the wealth of cash made from multiplats.
true but in turned started focusing on their own games which is a huge bonus to xbox fans but most multiplats went to sony simply because of the ps4's graphics "1080p" because they want the better looking game with main games being made for ps4 with everything else in the after thought.
>its about games in the end
you're half right on that its about games but its also about graphics which is why scorpio is going to be a dominant force
>less incentive to buy the scorpio
theres tons more incentive to buy a scorpio if it plays games in 4k because you're not going to see another competitor on the market if the games look better on scorpio and its a simple console. you better believe people and developers will start flocking towards it because it has better graphics and is more powerful.

for at least a decade consoles main demo has been stupid people so you may have a point mate

console gaming has always been dumb, microsoft now realizes this, but the plebs still don't

the only friends that i have that play games on pcs are fedora fags. owning a console is just easier. it's less clunky and wont be obsolete in a year. i could give two shits about specs. just give me a hard copy and let me plop that bad boy in. i get why people go pc but as a tech mongoloid it's easier to just get a console. like that one user said i cant lug a huge ass pc around, and i especially dont want to be fucking around with new graphics cards every year. i'm too autistic and lazy for that.

OP has missed the entire point of what Microsoft has done today and instead resorted to classic shitposting.

Microsoft is breaking down the traditional notion of console generations and instead is opting for one unified platform for all play. You have the Xbox One for a standard console experience, the Scorpio for extremely high end gaming, and Whatever kind of windows 10 PC you want to use for anything in between or below.

This is probably the best thing to happen to the industry from a platform perspective in a long time.Walls are being broken down, and that's a good thing.

So when OP says "there is no reason to buy an Xbox One" he's gravely mistaken. He's acting as if everyone has access to a high end PC. The overwhelming majority do not.
The play anywhere program or whatever it's called gives access to the Xbox library to everyone within the windows network through various means of affordability.

Shut the fuck up. Only fucking nerds and neckbeards buy desktop PCs.

Normies buy consoles you huge retard

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This is a matter of Scorpio outselling Neo then, it's about the games. Microsoft needs a better offering to beat up Sony's current line up if they want to sell new technology at the start of its life.

There's a reason why Microsoft didn't outsell Sony in the first place and that's consumer trust, which Microsoft has done nothing to earn, only repair, there's quite a difference between the two.

Microsoft is dead in Japan as well.

The people who can enjoy 4k television have the cash for a gaming PC if they are the hardcore enthusiast crowd. The numbers of casual xboners with that much cash to burn is small, far smaller than you think will serve as an incentive.

Power didn't matter for Nintendo at one point, I can see Sony assuming the same position with their influx of game development now that the console has matured.

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As of right now, an eGPU case is obscenely expensive and doesn't even include a GPU
Also you need a fancy laptop with thunderbolt 3, which only the premium ones have

this, my poorfag friends can't afford a bloody high end PC. I can can because of my summer job, but they are not fortunate enough for that. So I buy consoles to play with them instead. I don't mind, I play what I want on whatever I want. and this W10 business only helps.

The 970 is the card with the most users with 5% from steam with a 980TI with a measly 1%, you have to be seriously braindead if you think a significant amount of console fags can even run the games with their shittops

I just want MCC for the PC

It's not difficult to buy a high end PC.

How poor are you plebs exactly?

yeah but you need windows 10 to play anything

that sucks

Yeah it's all PC, but the problem is that it all requires Windows 10.

Anything to make a dent in the constant wave of Sonypony shitposting

Holy shit this.

It's a unifying experience while also keeping games away from playstation.
It is good for gamers so they can play together on different devices and good for M$ in that they keep titles away from their competitor.

If anythinh, the pressure will be on Sony to have an answer to this.

Partnership with steam?

Seriously, it's not that hard to understand:
>Xbone: I want to play games
>Scorpio: I want a premium console
>PC: I'm a gaming enthusiast
But 90% of Sup Forums are literal children so I can see where the confusion comes from

You are bringing the fight to Scorpio vs Neo then, PS4 has more games and an earlier grasp of VR integration. Gimmick or not, they will have a lead on a gamble that has a huge as fuck payoff.

You also falsely expect Neo to be left in the dust when there are no details.

Walls are being broken, and then rebuilt around the even larger walled garden.

Why won't microsoft release their games for PS4 or Wii U, if they're all about borderless experiences?

this, I will stick to my xbone, I really don't want W10

>the pressure will be on Sony to have an answer to this.
And the answer is to do absolutely nothing and watch the PS+ cash roll in

>You also falsely expect Neo to be left in the dust when there are no details.
Why else would Sony have backed out from showing the Neo at this E3 if they weren't worried about being shown up by Scorpio?

>trying to explain playing with friends to Sup Forums
>especially to mustards

Good fucking luck, 90% of these rejects are NEETs who haven't come into contact with anyone but pizza deliverers in the last decade.

japans market is small and damaged compared to the west,consumer trust is one thing but the ps4 had better graphics which sold it and a majority of people simply touted it as the better console because it played multiplats in 1080p. if console has better graphics it will gain more attention than others which will definitely be a selling point for the Xbox scorpio because at the moment no other system will be playing games in 4k.
another major thing is that you don't need a 4k screen tv to see 4k graphics, People still watch 4k porn on 1080 screens,but you do need a 4k screen tv in order to fully appreciate them .
this is why xbox scorpio will be outselling the neo if it drops in the same year.

...

See It's MS vs Sony, not Xbox vs playstation.

Releasing Xbox games on Windows 10 doesn't hurt the Xbox. They're two completely different markets.
Only difference is now they are bridged.

Did you actualy read the post?

One point I made is that its CHEAPER to go PC only rather than split the cost over a pc and console. You also get a better gaming experiance for the price.

Not everyone has access to a high end PC yes but thats missing the point. If someone has the oppertunity to gain access to both a pc and an xbox then they certainly DO have access to a pc good enough to play these games. The ONLY thing that could stop a person from realising the better deal is that they are too stupid.

even if microsoft wanted to bring down walls with nintendo and playstation, they would say no.

you act like this is a one-sided deal

>we're "#4thegamers" and we do the consumer-friendly thing
>except put our games on other platforms, that would be crazy

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Based BBC sums it up

Not only that but I bet:

Cost of xbox+pc> PC capable of beating xbox
Cost of scorp+PC> PC capable of beating scorp

There is no reason to buy an xbox outside of being too stupid to PC.

Sony have ran with the consumer first gimmick for years mate and they still run with exclusives

Not that building or using a pc is hard. if Sup Forumsfags can do it than anyone can.

>There is no reason to buy an xbox outside of being too stupid to PC.
So the majority of people

MS make no money on the console itself, if they can sell games on their own store that is much more profitable.

the level of idiocy in these post are so unreal.

>nigger understanding how things work
nice try

care to explain why instead of just shitposting?

So what you're saying is PS4 owners are more likely to make knee-jerk purchases based on marketing hype, memes and E3 presentations, while Xbone owners actually had the foresight to realize Microsoft is a much larger company that can actually afford to fix any mistakes and improve their console?

Yup. Sounds about right.

This. When will you dumbfucks realize that MS makes bank by forcing you to either get their console or upgrade to Win10 so they can data mine your shit? Either way they win, they want you to use their software, they don't give a fuck what hardware you use. This has been Nadella's philosophy since he became CEO.

Alright but why would I or anyone else buy one apart from they are too dumb to sort a PC out?

Oh its probably going to make money im sure but im not asking WHY has microsoft done it im asking WHY would anyone buy an xbox when pc has it beat in every area including price. The only answer is that dumb people exist.

what part of
>buy box
>don't need to build it
>plug it in
>games work
don't you get
this has always been the appeal of consoles

>Win10 so they can data mine your shit
If you have ANY MS product, they can do it without you noticing. Even IF they do datamine yourshit its only so that they get info on what YOU want. That way they make tons more money. Anyone who knows anything about marketing understands this.

Let's say you're a typical 30yo parent who likes watching tv and movies, has a laptop already but the laptop is obviously shit at vidya but your kid keeps nagging you for games. You get an Xbone, because of it's perfect home media center integration as well as the capability to play games.

because you'd have to be socially inept not to understand why the majority consumers who sees a console and buys a console.
its easy to see you're viewing the xbox with extreme bias.

Not him, but thats exactly what i've done with my laptop.

That's literally the reason, and it's a good one at that. You may have the patience and the time to build a PC and deal with all the optimization issues and whatnot, but most people don't. Microsoft knows this, so they accounted for it with the various Xboxes.

You want to plug a piece of hardware in and play games with no hassle, occasionally getting free games via Live? Get the Xbone.

You want to still have that luxury while having a little bit more processing power for a bit more? Get the Scorpio.

You already have a high end PC and just want to play the games? Get Microsoft's Windows 10.

In this fashion, they account for all price ranges and mentalities while still keeping their exclusives away from Sony, their real competitor. It's not hard to understand.

>He can't even imagine owning a console to entertain friends

We don't all sit alone in dark rooms, user. Now bring on the inevitable epic memes about how I'm a casual.

For one you can do exactly the same with PC.

and two if the only appeal a console has is that its easy to set up, and that single thing is the only reason you are gimping yourself and buying a console then you are an idiot at best.

exactly, the simple devices appeal to the masses, it's easy to work with.
we have desktops because we are enthusiasts. We are a minority.

>Microsoft have made it completely pointless to buy an xbox because its all out on PC.
Its out on W10, and all the W10 exclusive games run like utter shit

And dumb people are the ones more forthcoming with their money, and they'll spend it on something that they can plug in and make work, something which their friends are more likely to do as well.

>For one you can do exactly the same with PC.
did the
>don't need to build it
escape you?
>inb4 you mention laptops or prebuilts