So basically players proven to be the bad guys?

So basically players proven to be the bad guys?

We killed him and he did nothing wrong.

>"did nothing wrong"
>allied himself with degenerate sneks and crack elves

many armies have been responsible for horrifying acts and collateral damage in the relentless march towards victory. we shouldn't be fighting amongst ourselves now. Gul'Dan brings Legion, and this time, he dies for it.

HE DINDU NUFFIN
#DHLM

He attacked Shatt or something for some reason.

He probably had a reason (if they can think of one) but its not like we knew that. plus I'm pretty sure as far as the alliance/horde knew he was allied with the burning legion unless someone informed them otherwise.

Whether Illidan had gone off the deep end and needed to be put down is going to be a big conflict for the demon hunter order quests and they make this pretty goddamn clear from the starting experience.

This is always what Illidan's character has been, him doing progressively crazier and more questionable things. It's just Metzen's such a shit writer that it's not been clear.

Well, it's conceivable that Kael'Thas was already acting on the behalf of his new masters and effectively framed Illidan (although his allegiance to the Legion was revealed before before Sha'tar assaulted Black Temple, so probably not, A'dal should have known better if it wasn't Illidan who ordered the attack)

Or let's consider the possibility that Metzen is a fucking hack and there is no continuity to Legion if he ever had thought of a reason for Illidan, Sha'tar and nameless adventurers behaving such as they did in the first place.

>He attacked Shatt or something for some reason.
No, Kael attacked Shatt and Illidan got the blame for it

Or you could just choose Kayn and stay loyal to Illidan.

I did but this is clearly where they're trying to go with it.

Characters were just uninformed.

Illidan was, and is right. He has sacrificed literally everything personally, got cucked, and still hasn't accomplished his goal. (priestess pussy or being a savior)

He might have lost his way a little bit, and been off the track some, but he was largely misunderstood overall. Especially when they fucked up his spellcasting because they didnt even understand what he was doing.

He did get his shit slapped by arthas and went a little overboard twice though.

>fighting the Legion and suppose to be better than the demons
>building a new army of Fel Orcs from the last remaining peaceful brownies

who is doing that? or has done that?

Building a army to attack Argus and Demon Hunters are willing to do anything as long as it brings the Legion's downfall.

>legion wipes out the entire fucking planet
>illidan sacrifices a tiny percentage of the population

pick one faggots

says the bitch who has the smallest smile when vol'jin took the spear
the one who is able to create a mind altering pest, was alone with the warchief who gave her the power because the "spirits" said so
I hope we'll finally be able to kill her

Legion are the good guys. They're trying to destroy the Void Lords.

>suppose to be better than the demons
That is the opposite of what demon hunters are supposed to be.
They basically are demons only they're on team Azeroth. The harbingers video for Illadin even has him say the only difference between them and the legion is that they're defending Azeroth instead of saving it

I didn't get that impression honestly, although I haven't watched Altruis side of the story because fuck him and Akama.

for

Illidan did that in TBC after he captured Maghteridon and used his blood to create a new army of Fel-Orcs by capturing Maghar Orcs in the Blood Furnace and injecting them with it.

>there are people on Sup Forums Who still think my main man Illidan did any thing at all
>there are DH who sided with the NE guy who sent people on quests to kill people in the illidari

No they're not, they are just denying them access.

>I hope we'll finally be able to kill her
Not going to happen especially considering how popular she is. From the lore perspective the first generation Forsaken can't survive without Sylvannas

>flying over hillsbrad to invasion
>the place that was once green and colorful is now gray, boring and dead
Muh zombies

>baine is useless, offensively so
>slyvanas is literally worse than arthas, despite not even being corrupted yet
>thrall is a fucking cuck and pointless, will hopefully die/merge with the world soul to keep old gods at bay this expansion so he's out of the story
>lor'themar is ignored for no fucking reason
>vol'jin died to a quest mob
>all retreated like bitch bois when their fucking main phrase is VICTORY OR DEATH

>leader sacrificed himself to protect the few, solo'd a fucking unseen demon amalgamation
>silver fox madman
>based dwarf ghost + trio
>meme mechengineer
>guy that is massively self sacrificing and did so to save the earth in AU draenor, intelligent and powerful
>son of a hero, slowly growing into more than just a retarded kid or a literal dragon fuckboy, wields his weapons after his death in the comic

Give me one fucking reason you are playing horde this expansion

>the first generation Forsaken can't survive without Sylvannas
another reason to kill her then
sadly it's true, they would never kill a popular character

>People sided with the nelf
I refuse to believe anyone could do that after looking into the remembering pool

What the fuck did you guys expect? He was going to be a dindu the instant they had to go to the DH well for a player class.

Out of all the ways they could have done it this one was moderately inoffensive. All it would take to push him to full on dindu status would be the cruxifiction of Kael as the real badguy.

I forgot

>malfurion
absolute fucking retard and fucked over illidan way too hard
>jaina (doesn't really count)
literally just fuck my shit up

I was going to, I was really indecisive the main thing in the nelf's favor being Illidain said "No matter the sacrifice" and I felt like he was referring to putting down other DHs if need be.

Which if th Dhs fell to the... Fel.. and the Burning Legion, shit would be pretty fucked.

My king.

Because all my characters are horde. I couldn't imagine paying for that many faction and server changes.
Played Alliance on the beta and loved every minute of it. Tired of mud huts and MUH ORCS

It's funny how horde has continually gotten screwed

Kael was the real bad guy in TBC though, Illidan was far from innocent but at least he has a really good reason for his actions

We got manipulated by the Legion.

kael was just made with power, basically corrupted

BC did not have a true "villain" other than the three fucking eredars (malch, archi, KJ)

>Who do you want as you second in command of the Illidari:

>The loyal blood elf who values his fellow Illidari as family
>Or the night elf with a history of paying strangers to murder his superiors

We didn't kill him though.

I mean not for lack of trying.

>There are people who would pick Altruis
It's like they want him to hire adventurers to kill them

I know, just saying all they have to do at this point is give him a real push over the edge by having a scenario where you see Kael do some dirt.

This is more directed at those who didn't play BC, I.E. most of the playerbase at this point.

The whole POINT of the DH is "destroy the Legion, even if we act no better than them in doing so"

Easiest choice of my life. Especailly after the well sequence. That Nelf faggot just keeps proving how shitty nelfs are in general. Zero commitment to anything other than m-muh morals despite getting slaughtered.

Nelfs are the fucking worst, almost as bad as undead.

we did

play the DH starting zone my dude. Cinematic shows Maiev immediately after the BT fight ordering Illan's "Lifeless corpse" be brought back to whatever the fuck the Warden prison was called that I can't remember.

Fair enough.

Which the Death Knights are now starting to adopt as well

That dilemma was resolved in the Illidan short though. The theme was are we really better than the Legion? And the answer was yes because while they'll stop at nothing to destroy the world the DH stop at nothing to save it.

Those that know the lore could go on to argue that Sagereas is stopping at nothing to save the universe. That's the whole reason he's trying to destroy Azeroth afterall.

I have literally been saying this since Warcraft 3.

Burning Crusade was a great expansion in terms of content but the lore was a fucking mess

Come to think of it, why are there nelf demon hunters in the illidari anyway? I know DH is their thing historically but how did a bunch of Night Elves end up in Illadins service on Outland? At least Kael could have given him the belfs

We knew ten years ago that TBC was fucking retarded about it.
TBC is the worst lore expansion.

>Sargeras fights void lord but goes to far
>Illidan fights burning legion but goes to far
>Arthas fights lich king but goes to far
>Garrosh, Malygos who's next?

They all had good intentions

>after looking into the remembering pool
Did they add the Cinematic into it yet?

Garrosh and illidan are really on different levels of being portrayed poorly.

Metzen literally fucked over garrosh because he wanted thrall to be top.

No, he was a dindu the moment his character was introduced. You LITERALLY cannot point to a single thing he ever did wrong, even if you look at Burning Crusade in isolation.

Yeah

the question wasn't "are we better" it was "are we different" and it turned out the only difference was the side they were on. Both will stop at nothing to achieve their goal, and like you said, both are even trying to save something.

What the fuck were they thinking with Garrosh anyway.
>emo in BC because his dad fucked everything up
>gung ho in Wrath, but incredibly devoted to the horde
>shit leader with a moral compass in Cataclysm
>Azeroth's hitler in Mists and Warlords

What happened in the remembering pool?

when blizzard gets an idea for an xpac plot they do it without regard to what they've done so far.

At least we're getting the "and then the bad guy started the next expansion" stuff to feign some continuity

It plays Illadin's harbinger video as a cinematic.

Fair enough

Whoa since when is the Burning Legion trying to save something? Last I checked they were just cookie cutter villains

They are going to save the universe by taking control of it preventing the Void Lords (master's the old gods) from coming into our universe.

Yeah, to defeat the Legion. Illidan saw it as two choices

>1: Be willing to sacrifice anything and potentially win or
>2: All life in the universe dies

He's willing to do ANYTHING to win. That's why he enslaved the Ashtongue. That's why he recruited demons.

Old Gods serve the void lords, void lords want to corrupt titan fetuses that live inside planets (Azeroth), Sargaras decided that it's better to purge the universe of life and destroy the titan fetuses himself than let that happen.

Sargeras was trying to destroy all Titan creations to prevent the Void Lords from coming into the universe. Think of the Void Lords like the ultimate Eldritch Terrors. Their mere existence in our universe would cause reality to shatter. They're beyond ANYTHING that exists in the game world.

>Kayn: "Strong leadership and a clear vision are the only path to victory."
>Altruis: "Think for yourself."

Ah OK, I'm guessing this was introduced for Legion I don't remember that being a thing last time I played

It's introduced in a new book designed to bring some order to the lore, some of it is good and some of it is bad

Too bad this'll probably be the beginning of a training arc for thrall to become STRONGER and BETTER than ever before, knowing WoW's writing

Still, I hope Garrosh gets the last laugh

literally fuck thrall

he's been insufferable since vanilla

I think Thrall's about due for another emotional crisis that sends us all over the world to calm him the fuck down.

Surely being a dad's getting to him and I could use another cloak

watching him fall down and get carried off by Baine was the best part of the broken shore cinematic

its always joyful to see weakness removed from the horde, and it's true strength is allowed to flourish.

Illidan is a demon, he'll just take a run from a graveyard.

>Kayn: So what if we murdered a bunch of babies and raped their corpses, we needed the pwoer

>Altrius: Hey this sort of seems unnecessary, why is Illidan making us do this? It's not even helping.

If Illidan takes player casual stroll from the graveyard to his body as a sign of demonic soul, does it mean that all player characters were in fact demons all along?

No it means we have the souls of Nether Beings,
We're the Titian Jack!

If you're trying to make me disagree with Kayn you're failing badly considering the Burning Legion would wipe Azeroth clean.

Yeah. Essentially like said, they realized that there was tons of lore that was contradictory or half thought out. So they wrote some new books to say "this is what's canon" and are going from there.

That being said, Sargeras isn't necessarily a good guy. He's trying to save the universe from total annihilation, but that means annihilating us. Neither option is good for us.

Players are true neutral they do anything for loot

Everything went to shit when Blizzard decided to go full retard abour Garrosh.

>lor'themar repeatedly proves himself to be a talented leader, administrator and diplomat
>LitchQween 2.0 becomes warcheif because of muh spirits
Being horde is suffering.

the "tired of being alive" glazed over look in male Humans' eyes really fits giving them greyed hair

you forgot cuck elves

He was just trying to save us all. You let hatred and doubt blind you.

...

>Thrall is a fucking cuck and pointless.

Best moment in the pre-patch. I kek'd hard when this happened.

"I wish Garrosh was here" I'm willing to bet this was going through his mind of the writers showed his thoughts at this moment.

I miss Garrosh. I miss my god king. Leader of the master race. Still can't believe Thrall cheated in mak'gora

>you now realize Garrosh was making a stronger Horde to face the Legion with

>legion comes and garrosh is the war chief
>Broken shore scenario happens, garrosh looks down and sees gul'dan
>Garrosh jumps off the cliff
>charges through the demons like a bus through a crowd of frenchies
>Puts an axe in gul'dans head while the alliance stands there shocked.

It's fucked up but I could see this happen, honestly.

Of course he was. Why do you think Wratthion was so against anyone interfering and fighting with Garrosh's horde until the bitter end.

if anyone had the potential to create an army to rival the legion it was Kairoz and Garrosh killed him.

h-he's so sweaty

Why do you think he helped garrosh in the first place?

asdf

>Wrathion warns us the legion is coming and we must do everything in our power to stop it
>Frees Garrosh and sets off a chain of events that leads to Gul'dan summoning the legion to Azeroth
what an asshole

>I've never seen the demons expand this quickly

Literally wiped out the homeworld and countless Nathrezim by blowing it up with a destabilised portal after he was done stealing all their information on argus. This time he actually permanently kills them all.

Think we will ever see him again lads?

Probably not, he was pumped full of arcane energy not Fel energy so he's soul wouldn't be bound the the nether

He's not dead.