>Brood War has Zerg utterly ravage everyone post-credits as ultimate evil including Dominion >Beginning of SC2 has Terran dominant and Dominion fine
>In Brood War Raynor vows to kill Kerrigan at all costs for killing his friends and allies >SC2 has him romantically long for her
Why?
Matthew Allen
Because the story is for wow lorefags. It's a competitive game. Get good.
Brandon Perry
You are the reason RTS is a dead genre.
Thomas Sanchez
No, unlike you. I fucking play the game.
Blake Wood
Didnt Kerrigan say she would allow them a reprive, because she was going to test "their resolve" later?
Christopher Ross
>competitive game >Nowhere near the audiences of BW
Owen Murphy
why is leader of the zerg a human female
Nicholas Roberts
Blizzard is a shit company
Justin Cook
Yeah no shit. So what?
Jaxon Edwards
Most zerg were originally a different species.
Angel Robinson
It has received millions in subsidies and they killed Brood War for it, and Brood War is more successful as a profit driven competitive scene.
Luis Torres
dear god
Jaxon Fisher
She had xboghueg psychic potential as a human so she was captured and zergified
Jeremiah Smith
>Beginning of SC2 has Terran dominant and Dominion fine The zvz part of the Brood War and the UED using the Overminds zerg to fight might have gutted the numbers of zerg to the point where Kerrigan just didn't have enough to go on the offensive.
>SC2 has him romantically long for her Because Blizzard is shit at stories that aren't lol corruption/boss goes crazy.
Caleb Gutierrez
You say that like you were the first person to know it.
Gabriel Bailey
Was it ever explained why she could just take over the Overmind though? I mean the Overmind is a fuckhuge powerful alien psychic mass and she can do its job just a swell
Also >tfw the Cerebrate you played that took care of her is ded I like to think the Brood War Cerebrate is the same as the original one and Kerrigan went to it because it was the most likely to sympathise
Matthew Scott
SC2's story is shit but Kerrigan flat out says at the end of BW that she's going to give them a respite and eventually return. The responsibility's on BW for that.
Joseph Sullivan
>Was it ever explained why she could just take over the Overmind though? Did she? I haven't played SC1 in ages but from what I can recall the Overmind was destroyed by Tassadar when he crashed the overloading ship into it, after that the cerebrates and Kerrigan became free so you had a bunch of independent cerebrates and of course Kerrigan, who was strong enough to control her own brood.
Gabriel Hall
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Jordan Murphy
As in, take the Overmind's job. And even then she needed the player Cerebrate to do shit with ehr own brood. I'd be willing to accept she could control just one brood of her own Zergg though
Caleb Russell
I'm guessing the Overmind gave her those abilities when she was in stasis. Again, I haven't played the campaign in forever but I recall there being some zerg vs zerg missions against rebellious broods (which weren't controlled by the Terraan psi-devices) so it's possible that she can't control cerebrates outright. It could just be a case of Blizzard writing :^)
Hunter Johnson
>Oh yeah by the way the Overmind was a good boy dindu nuffin
Jacob Rodriguez
Blizzard's incessant need to provide a good side to everything is sad.
Aiden Bailey
>the xel'naga's autistic spawn wants to be a hardcore rebel and kills billions of sentient beings
Tyler Thompson
SC2 is fucking cancer.
I hate to say it but WOW ruined blizzard. Overwatch is proof that Blizzard should just let everything die and focus on meme games instead.
Logan Walker
I'd say it's Metzen's fault because the dude flat out admitted he thought his writing was "too edgy" in the 90s and he just wants to write cheesy Silver Age comic stories now, but I'm familiar enough with Blizzard to know he was just in good company: all the writers there are terrible.
Oliver Williams
>No wait guys the overmind was good all along! >No wait guys the Xel-Naga was EVIL! >No wait they were actually good all along, It was Amond's fault! >No wait Amond was actually good too! He just got corrupted! >Save us SSJ 2 Kerrigan!
Aaron Sullivan
why did she become black?
Benjamin Bailey
>OY VEY YOUR VIDEOGAME HAS HOW MANY BLACK GUYS IN IT?
>IT'S A SHOAH MAKE THAT PROTAGONIST STRONK WYMYN BLACK RIGHT NOW OR I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU PAY FOR THE HOLOCAUST YOU'RE CAUSING
Bentley Cooper
oh Heroes of Newerth. You tried so hard
Caleb Sullivan
Look at her starcraft 1 unit picture, she has nigger lips and dark skin, in fact it was stranger to see her whitewashed at the start of sc2
David White
did bobby kotick actually say this?
Isaac Barnes
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Christian Kelly
The GSL games had a similar amount of viewership on twitch as the ASL games that are shilled on Sup Forums and both of them had full stadiums.
Luke Myers
>UED is never brought up again Why?
William Miller
>raynor clearly wanted her vagina >she is betrayed and ends up being turned into an evil mutant thing >she kills a ton of people and leaves >in the moment raynor is mad and vows revenge but given time to cool down and reflect (and drink profusely) he has second thoughts and isn't so sure
Not sure why people are so buttmad about this, it's a pretty simple arc and perfectly natural.
Chase Gonzalez
ded gaem
;_;
Carter Murphy
She was a pasty white grimey looking redhead with dreadlocks. Wish they kept that look as it was fairly unique. They made her into a generic pretty redhead in WoL and then i don't even know anymore in HotS
Connor Miller
The overmind needed the cerebrate too, user, why do you think it existed in the first place?
Jaxon Miller
Blizzard has only themselves to blame for being shit now
Benjamin Barnes
Jim was flirting with her since he met her
Dylan Perry
They didn't cast the overmind as good, he just wasn't necessarily evil, he was a primal Zerg who wasn't under his own control
Thomas James
She's still an unrepentant genocidal monster who killed his protobro and betrayed everyone under the sun. Character development is one thing, complete retardation is another
Christopher Foster
>primal Zerg
Literally the moment when Starcraft was irredeemably ruined
Jeremiah Gutierrez
jim is a cuck >girlfriend gets RUSHED by Big Zerg Cock >she turns into the zerg queen >kills a billion of humans and protoss >still love her, despite her loving the BZC HOW CAN TERRAN BOIZ EVEN COMPETE?
Daniel Walker
someone post the image, I've lost it
Ryan Cruz
No wonder the game is dead.
Xavier Brown
She got taken over by the swarm, how she is acting isn't how she would normally act. Then when she goes full Zerg the second time (which she only did because raynor went mia) without amon corrupting her she's not killing everything, she's directing her attacks at the emperor and even goes out of her way to not kill random people.
Really simple shit user.
Hudson Richardson
>le cuck meme No, user, you are the cuck
Hunter Fisher
>She got taken over by the swarm right and there's no known way to turn her back until the end of the first sc2 where a magical macguffin appears
but raynor doesn't know about that but has still forgiven and fallen back in love with the genocidal monster who has killed everything he held dear and has shown literally no remorse for it, and whom he promised to kill
Nathan Nelson
>Blizzard apologists.
Leo Walker
Her vendetta against mengsk isn't some righteous war, she just wants revenge. You say she goes out of her way to not kill civilians, but she still killing millions of soldiers who are just trying to defend the only organized Terran power in the region when the Terrans are desperately trying to survive in a hostile universe. Never mind that she still goes around murdering random Terran and Protoss bases long after she was cured of amo a influence, including a Protoss colony simply trying to not die after Auir was lost. Don't give me that dindu nuthins shit for Kerrigan. She has blood on her hands and Jimmy should have seen it clearly.
Gavin Howard
Yeah this story was fucking stupid. If Jim can magically forget his quest for revenge you might as well just turn mengsk into a good guy too overnight.
Let's make everyone good guys...
Ryan Martinez
You have to brake eggs to make an omlete.
David Richardson
I don't think anyone but people here see her as black. wtf
Anthony Garcia
I never claimed Mengsk was a good guy if that's what you're implying
Brody Cox
My problem is that one one ever acknowledges those broken eggs. There's never any consequences for it. Everyone just forgets they were ever broken and live happily ever after
Nolan Phillips
What I was implying was how they butchered the story line and made someone who vowed to do something and turned him into something different all together.
Jacob Collins
He never stopped being in love, and he's torn on whether to kill her or jot right up until he gets her in his sights later in the game
Blake Clark
>soldiers Who cares about soldiers? It's cannon that 99% of them are psychotic murderers.
As for the rest, they are in the way of her revenge, and everyone will attack the swarm without restraint, so who cares. And it being revenge is fine for raynor since he's out for the same exact thing.
Jackson Thompson
You said, genre, not game. Also, yeah no casuals play it because it's time consuming to get decent.
Liam Gray
>Overmind was good all along even though Zeratul linked minds with it and said nothing about this >Kerrigan wasn't evil, she was just possessed by Zergbits, even though she confirms she is in full control of her actions in Brood War >Kerrigan is good guy who compromises her own plans to save lives, even though uninfested Kerrigan helped Mengsk murder billions of people with psi-amplifiers >Kerrigan is no longer manipulative, just a generic villain with no stake in anything >Raynor and Kerrigan's love story is the most important thing in whole universe, even though it was literally like three flirty banter pieces in the first game >Tassadar is still alive lol >Zerg aren't parasite worms from a volcanic planet, they are spiky things from a jungle planet >UED never returns despite still being interested in Koprulu sector >Fenix comes back as robot because fuck meaningful deaths >Nova is squeezed in everywhere because fans sure loved her in that game that never came out >Nobody is bad guy, they're all being manipulated by Amon >Duran has Dragonball Z laser fight with Star Kerrigan >ANCIENT EVIL PROPHECIES
Gavin Ward
Legacy of the void was a fucking joke.
Anthony Lewis
>Overmind became Neutral Evil instead of Chaotic Evil, oh no >Kerrigan's entire mind is infected like a mindbreak duojin >Both Raynor and Kerrigan were wary of using the Amplifier after just how bad things would get >Kerrigan was never manipulative, just knew where to force herself
You got me on the romance stuff. Shit was stupid.
>Wasn't Tassadar, just a lure to fet Artanis' attention >Zerg origins never actually confirmed, other than Xel'naga tinkering >UED BTFO so hard by Zerg they decide to say fuck it and leave the sector alone >Implying Talandar isn't one of the coolest guys in Starcraft, especially considering relation to Fenix
Again, got me on Nova. Fap bait, I guess.
>Mengsk wasn't manipulated, nor was a greater portion of the Dominion, nor was Zurvan.
Duran's stuff was stupid. Not as bad as some others, but not all that smart.
>Implying 90% of high/low fiction isn't ancient evil prophecies
Logan Green
Wasn't Fenix returning justified? Dragoons were established before. (Don't tell me he returns in LoV)
Tyler Jenkins
He does. It's like some fucking personality imprint or someshit tho
Asher Myers
>he plays RTSs for the single player Literally the worst genre for single player gameplay.
David Phillips
He 'returns' in LotV as a Purifier, basically a robot with his pre-Antioch memories. By the end he decides to change his name because he realizes that Fenix was a very different person than him.
Luke Ortiz
Pretty sure most talented people left Blizzard sometime between Brood War and SCII
Thomas Myers
A lot of them are criminals, that doesn't make them not people. They're not just "in the way", they're fighting off an invasion of horrible space monsters attacking their planet. They attack the swarm without restraint because the swarm are known for destroying everything in their path. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about raynor. That he's trying to get revenge on Mengsk too? Because that's just more of Starcraft 2's retardation. In brood war he was fucking teamed up with him and to fight against the UED and then his and Fenixs forces were fighting side by side when Kerrigan sprang her betrayal on them. This is why I enjoyed brood war so much, it's less about who the good guys and bad guys are and more about the struggle between factions to gain power. Jimmy was a good character because he was loyal to his bros and didn't go around backstabbing everyone. He was always trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Starcraft 2 however insists that he and Kerrigan are the good guys trying to save the world while it ignores anything that might cast a bad light on their righteousness. To clarify, I don't mind that Kerrigan is a revenge driven monster, but it should be acknowledged and there should be consequences. Jimmy still loving her after she turns into a power hungry, murderous world wrecking monster is absolutely retarded, along with everything else in starcraft 2's story
Jaxson Martinez
>SC2 has him romantically long for her Years of bitter boozing can do wonders to a man.
Henry Jones
So you're saying you're ok with the game being about struggles for power between morally ambiguous but not if those morally ambiguous factions are in starcraft 2? Got it.
Hudson Jones
Around 2003/2004 after WC3. Some of the warning signs were already there.
Blake Edwards
And here I thought they couldn't ruin the story any further...
Mason Allen
Well, user, it's not actually Fenix. They could have made it much worse by bringing him back, moreso as a villain.
Cooper Lee
But they are not morally ambiguous in Starcraft 2. Theresa big bad for all the good guys to unite against, and anything that could be considered bad done by the good guys is completely without consequence. What part of that do you not get?