Horizon Zero Dawn's world is populated by, beside hulking great machines, humans separated into tribes...

>Horizon Zero Dawn's world is populated by, beside hulking great machines, humans separated into tribes, and these factions can intermix with one another with no little friction. The protagonist, Aloy of the Nora tribe, is very white, very redheaded, and very much not Native American.
>Dia Lacina, a Native American writer, highlighted the game's use of terms like "braves"—which is the collective noun used for the Nora's warriors—"savages", "primal" and "tribes" as being, if not disrespectful, then certainly not afforded due consideration given their historical connotations for Native Americans.
>"Nearly every aspect of Horizon's world building has been critically praised using terms that explicitly and historically have applied to indigenous peoples often to disparage our ways of life and oppress us, all while ignoring that unique and refreshing world building has been lifted almost entirely from our cultures.
>"The uncritical use of words like 'primitive' and 'savage' to describe appropriated cultural signifiers on large media platforms serves to reinforce racist and colonialist ideas about indigenous people."

Uh oh, so much for its progressiveness. Can a game appropriate a culture, Sup Forums?

Good thing Horizon is trash

>today on shit that never ends
>SJWs find something to complain about

they've even started attacking the games made to cater to them
maybe devs will realize they can't be pleased

Scored higher by GameSpot than Twilight Princess

You can please some SJWs some of the time, but you can't please all SJWs any of the time.

>cultural appropiaton
Get rekt, whities

I really fucking hope a muslim massacres a fucking SJW fest like serious they make everything more complex and ruin things they dont even care about they just want something to cater to them. I wish death upon them all.

nothing they are talking about dont make any sense

>handsome guy with a bow
Why does sony keeps pushing their fujoshibait crap

Being white will be illegal soon fuck me this planet needs to end pronto

nice meme

Seek mental help ASAP.

>sjw game gets sjw hate anyway

t-twilight princess is also trash!

who cares, that game is trash

it will have sales like that DA:I chart and be forgotten in a month

most people have the same opinion as he does

>Being white will be illegal soon
imagine being this delusional on a board about video gaming

I used to think Cultural Appropriation was a thing, back when Big Bang did it with the geek/nerd-subculture
But then I saw that video where some black girl was bullying a guy with dreadlocks.
And then a realized that civilization in general was built on cultural appropriation.
And that people either need to appreciate for what it is, or fucking grow thicker skin.

No excuse me while I eat my culturally-appropriated Luck Charms.
Because I'm fucking Irish and I'm allowed to eat them.

SJWs are mentally ill so they will always find something to complain about, give them a hand and they swallow the whole arm.

>trusting gamespot on anything

I only trust Polygon reviews

>sjw game
this

Wow this game sounds like a racist bigotted piece of shit. Luckily we still have Zelda. Better luck next time, Sony.

>and these factions can intermix with one another with no little friction
no
"savage" "primal" and "tribes" are not terms unique to natives history

Basically no white people allowed in anything ever or you'll upset someone somewhere.

you retards still think this game is sjw

see image in:

Give them an inch and they'll take a quadrant of the known universe.

>Celt tribes didn't exist

Okay.

fuck you, fucking piece of shit

why the fuck would she need to be a native american if her tribe isn't a native american tribe?

I wish I could take out like the 10% native I have, I don't want to be associated with those reservation monkeys at all

>use of the term tribes having any direct connotation to Native Americans

as if there werent tribes anywhere else in the damn world

>tribes being savages being marked as an insult

um hate to break it to them but some of them were... and cannibalistic as well

just fucking sjws trying to stir up shit but there is nothing there to base such shitflinging

>Can a game appropriate a culture, Sup Forums?
Yes Stalker stole whole world and idea from russian novel.

>this is the only attention this game gets anymore

only conversation is see in relation to this game is about the social issues. red flag

>this illiterate
hmmm my gears are really processing...

>An ideal society would have a culture that changes by improving as that society gains knowledge
>An ideal society would adopt aspects of smaller cultures it absorbs and incorporate it into the larger culture
>People go apeshit when this happens because "WE CAN'T LOSE OUR CULTUUUURE DON'T STEAL FROM US"

Do these people genuinely think that their culture has stayed the same for a thousand years, and will still be the same and around a thousand years from now? It's almost as bad as people who unironically believe their country will exist five hundred years from now.

Minority group nationalists always bitch about anything relating to them. They arent that much sjw even if sjws worship them like the retards they are.

>cultural appropriation
>of a "culture" that hasn't existed for hundreds of years
>literally nobody from that actual culture left to be offended, but for some reason middle class suburban """"college educated"""" 20-somethings who got a DNA test and are 1/68th cherokee are up in arms about a culture they have literally never experienced outside of reading a book
this is why nobody takes you seriously

Yeah unfortunately there are a lot of people like that across the spectrum (both politically and mentally quite frankly). And then when faced with change they just autistically screech trying to cause as much damage in the process.

Not sjw? Really?
>evil white men end up destroying the world
>muslim scientists, the most prominent one being a black woman, try and save the world
>evil white men kill them but muslims have back up plan
If you don't think thats sjw then you have downs

>No no no, everyone stop liking things and appreciating them for what they are and pay attention to meeeeeeee!
Jesus fucking christ. It's the god damn oppression olympics all over again.

Theyre right

What fucking right do white people have to """"""regress"""""" to a """""""Tribal"""""" state after some vague bullshit apocalypse

What did the only thing that survive into human knowledge was fucking John Wayne movies? Disneys Peter Pan??? What could possibly motivate the erasure of all human knowledge and turn them into fucking feather-toting """Braves"""" (a meaningless term invented by Europeans and classified as part of the long line of Native cultural stereotypes).

Its complete utter fucking nonsense and horribly racist to steal what has existed and what still in part exists today and turn it into a vehicle for some generic scifi horseshit

Foreign cultures are not your creative stepping stones, white people! They deserve respect and the right to define their own stories

ok so what does this half to do with the main story and matter

Don't be a cheeki breeki, that's like saying "LOTR the movies stole a whole world and idea from a novel".

Dont project your inability to read on others.

>cultural appropriation
How is "cultural appropriation" not "cultural winning"? If other people are adopting your culture then your memes are winning, dumbassees!!

Who cares. I can say the game glorifies Mongolian rape culture but that doesn't make it true or mean anything.

>no y-y-you
Typical.

>evil white men end up destroying the world
that didnt happen a glitch made them go out of control and self repatriate

>muslim scientists, the most prominent one being a black woman, try and save the world

she was just uploading history not impotent at all


>evil white men kill them but muslims have back up planok
now you sound fucking retarded

Don't worry, they say that about themselves, so it's ok

>Deserve respect
Ahahahaha

>Tfw as a Cultural Anthropology major I get to watch dumbass minorities be mad at people for the same process that's existed since history began
>Will espouse the virtues of long-dead civilizations who aped other cultures wholesale
>"I-It's okay when historical figures do it!"

Also this, honestly. Other cultures adopting parts of your culture means you have created something superior that will now be added to a larger collective, if anything its in theory the ultimate cultural compliment.

I mean then you remember the cultural 'appropriation' of rap-music and twerking and remember that people are fucking morons, but in theory it sounds nice at least.

Does the game actually use the word "savages" from the mouth of a character we are supposed to like and take seriously? Otherwise I don't see what the author's point is.

Since when did redskins take ownership of the words primitive and savage?

well you know, in the real world all the big bad are actually white

>cultural appropriation

who the fuck came up with this retardation? it's the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard of and I'm certain the concept didn't even exist 5 years ago

who's teaching people this shit?

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Dude, what? The concept of braves is innate to tribalism. Males go out, they hunt, they fight, they come back. Call it what you want, that's a brave. Amerindians didn't invent tribalism and even if they did and the Americas were the source of all humans and tribal culture, that doesn't change the fact that if civilization collapsed to the point in the game and we resorted to tribalism we would invariably fall into the same tribal structure.

Already did and they failed. Im not mental i just see whats right and if it aint white its left. you feel me my nigga?

>I don't understand implied meanings the post
If you have a triple digit iq then it's pretty easy to tell what they actually mean. They obviously can't outright state it because that would get them a lot of hate and would be the only focus on their game by the media. I mean look at what posted. It's blatant without being direct

Let me describe the premise of Horizon Zero Dawn

>Back in the early 1800s, Mexico controls much of the South and West territories of what is the modern USA
>down there, cattle ranchers wear big boots and bigger hats and call themselves Vaqueros
>dipshit cultureless white people start swarming down in droves
>Mexicans teach them the land, farming techniques, cattle ranching, all manner of livelihoods
>Naturally, the Mexicans are driven off, the land is stolen, and men women and children are murdered due to the inherent barbarity of the white people
>150 years later, dipshit cultureless white people ride around in pickup trucks with "Made In America", "Build The Wall", and a "Trump 2016" bumper stickers on the back and with big boots and bigger hats and calling themselves Cowboys


It's par for course for white people to steal another culture.

White people are naturally evil

>what is fantasy
>what is a vidya gam

Who fucking cares.

>Because I'm fucking Irish
1/64

keep cry fag

>hehe dude they're not actually pandering to the globalist sjw crowd it's just under LAYERS of terrible, stale gameplay, awful animations and braindead story!

mcfucking kill yourself

>that feel when you were so shocked at one moment in your entire life that your eyes opened so wide that you got permanent flabby scars to make room for your saucer eyes

Two idiots arguing over not the same thing.

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You'd think a game that uses so many Native American mythology and terms would, you know, cast a Native American instead of a bunch of whites and blacks.

Are Natives not hip anymore or what?

I don't know the plot of the game or anything but it looks like a post-apocalyptic thing and I doubt after whatever the fuck happened to the earth that the remaining people would be native americans

I'm not even sure how this cultural appropriation being so fucking taboo became a thing anyways. The number of things that ANY culture has created on its own pales in comparison to a culture modifying or straight up copying from another culture they've conquered, absorbed or are even next to . This is basic human nature, this is like finding the idea of farming offensive.

If civilization collapsed and most of humanity got wiped out do you really think the million or so American Amerindians left would so disproportionately survive that they would take over the world? To be blunt, in the last 500 years SURVIVING is not something Amerindians have been very good at.

This is obviously bait, but I still need to nibble on one particular part of the hook:
>the right to define their own stories
No one has taken that away from them, nor can such an act be done. No one can prevent a culture from defining its own stories; it's precisely what this silly game is an example of.

If you're going to say it like that then yeah I can understand why that would make sense. I'm not pushing for every game to feature a fucking sepia rainbow of people but it'd certainly fit the game better and at least make it stand out.

>not hip anymore

I think they stopped being hip when America flat out murdered most of theirs and Canada stuck all of theirs into reservations. AKA, they were never fucking hip.

fact

The more I think about it the more I can imagine why the term was invented. Here you are, trying to keep your culture together among a broken people and here come some of the people that broke you using your culture. It's all well and good in theory, but they invariably misrepresent aspects of your culture or acknowledge the failings that led to yoru people being broken in the first place like being technologically inferior and illiterate. Mix in an example or two of destuctive stereotyping and you REALLY want to stop those people from fucking around with your memes like a bunch of newfags. So you come up with a new meme, "cultural appropriation", to convince the newfags from misusing your vintage memes and making oldfag memers such as yourself look bad.

delet

Fuck that guy.

>Can a game appropriate a culture, Sup Forums?
Nintendo of Americuck thinks so; otherwise they wouldn't have forced the Indian job into a Cowboy job.

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Nope. Now they just exist on Government reparations checks and gut-rot moonshine.

I fucking love it, imagine if they actually got someone who looked more like Tucker and he took his daughter to a con dressed as the hybrid, even occasionally letting her say shit like "Daddy, help" or something.

People would lose their shit.

why do people think its a SJW game? is it just because a girl is the MC or is there an actual reason?

>doesnt even bother to read the thread

Obviously you've never heard of Pol Pot or Robert Mugabe...

Nice bait.

some retard made some fake post now retards believe it

>great games on two consoles
Best timeline?

One already shot up a gay bar user. SJWs are masters of mental gymnastics.

>christianity is an outdated and oppressive religion and it needs to change to get with the times
>islam is a beautiful religion of peace and if you criticise it in any way you are a RACIST.

So, can Sup Forums explain to me the point when something stops being "inspired by culture" or "reference to a culture" and becomes "cultural appropriation"?

Just because they are tribes does not mean they need to be Native American. It is a fantasy world where many animals are made of electronics and obviously something happened to humanity. OP is trying to be offended.

>some literally who writes a literal blogpost calling a game racist
>this is somehow news

must be a slow news day for gaming """journalist"""

READ THE THREAD.

The answer is "C: Actual Reasons". As in plural, you dingus.

The name of the game should have been "Interactive Racial & Gender Discrimination, Cultural Appropriation, and Religious Intolerance for Teens".

Anyone here actually enjoying the gameplay?

The voice acting is kinda iffy, but the world is cool and having an overridden Longleg beat the shit out of a Ravager because it's weak to fire damage is awesome.

>inb4 I don't have to play your shitty SJW game to know it sucks
nu-Sup Forums, folks.

I know its asking a lot of Sup Forums to be able to read, but I said CAST. As in, hire a Native voice actor or actress.

But hey, I guess that would cut into paying wealthy white women.

>11 out of 15 people on my friend list are playing it
>all of them are from/v/
Really makes me think

Someone got paid to do this and then write about it and then have the gall to call themselves an expert and for that the white hot fire that is my rage and disgust will never be extinguished.