Console Doomsday

Does anybody else fear the day that consoles stop being a thing?


I know some peoples gut instinct will make them want to respond immediately with
>haha cuuuuuuuuuucks! consoles should die!!!! PC MASTA RACE!

These people dont get how pretty much 95% of all games people like to discuss on here, and especially outside of here, exist only because of consoles. Not just because of what they did in the past, but because their business model allows a clear lane for companies to make and sell high-budget, technically-complex games.

How would you be coping in a future where "games" refers to "apps" almost exclusively. where the mobas and team-based shooters with randomized accessories as a business model is the most high-tech and mechanically-deep game on offer? would it be easy for you? would you just tell the hobby to fuck off and only watch movies/read/etc?

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PC is dead outside multiplayer FOTM and niche crpg players. Look at game sales and steam stats. Consoles are still strong. Mobile is a big threat however.

>Sony PlayStation 4 sales rise to 53.4 million after holiday boost
cnbc.com/2017/01/05/sony-playstation4-sales-rise-to-53-million-after-holiday-boost.html

nah

I dont think they'll go away anytime soon.
In fact, we've been shifting from a multipurpose machine (PCs) in the early 2000 to a diversification of devices.

If one of the big three were to drop the market, I'd see someone like AMD joining the market, they make cpus, gpus and graphics APIs after all.

I don't think they will. Yeah you could make the argument the market isn't as big as another but it's still there and it's still large, games still sell its a very profitable place.

Consoles won't die but I do feel like it will be a while until we see bigger upgrades since shit is so good right now. In the case of the PS4 it's all pretty inclusive. You can do pretty much anything you want on that console and play most games. Everyone's just gonna focus on phone tier upgrades every year or two. I don't have an issue with that honestly, because then you aren't forced to update to play the new games.

as long as third world countries cant get decent internet connection and be able to afford $700 vid cards + import tax, consoles will still be here forever

What happens when mobile finally takes over traditional gaming in Japan?

it already did. consoles are outright niche now. in japan its safe to say consoles are for "nerds".

700 vid cards are top of the line fag you can get amd cards for cheap as shit even in 3rd world countries, youre the normalfag by the way since you arent the minority faggot. Remeber OVER 55 MILLION SOLDDDDDD

there are many shit-stain countries where pc gaming is legitimately cheaper than getting a console.

I dont mean like they say in those bullshit pc threads, i mean it literally costs more to get the console system than a good gaming pc. certain brands get the shit kicked out of them by tariffs and stuff.

Consoles in their current form will die, but idiot proof game boxes will always exist they just won't be separate ecosystems. Open platforms like PC may or may not be the future, but generic ones definitely are.

no dipshit. third world countries rely on console cafe rentals. a guy can buy few consoles on the cheap, specially hacked, few games and set up a console cafe, cheaper electric bill too.

much cheaper than buying computers that needs to be updated or be left behind by other computer cafes and have original software or the swat comes busting your ass.

even arcades are just buying xbox360,xbone and just dance setups.

consoles are pretty interesting

by and large they are weaker PCs, but the stabilized hardware difference between users let them optimize games to squeeze out as much performamce as they can whereas pc ports have varied performance on every machine. so consoles have good performance/price ratio.

however, they have nothing in the high end market for power users. now this is interesting because people as it stands, are willing to settle for shit frame rate and refresh rates and worse visuals. maybe its because gaming on a TV on a couch lessened the problem or they are too casual to recognize it

i think as long as games are treated as a fun past time as opposed to something that needs seriously investments, consoles will exist. the target audience is perfect for consoles

>95% of all games people like to discuss on here, and especially outside of here, exist only because of consoles.
Hopefully they will all die off then.

You consolefags are the exact same thing as phone 'gamers'. you have a cheap shitty walled garden machine that has nothing but shit of the month games and you keep paying whatever they ask.
They charge for online, you pay, they invent 'dlc' and preorder and all that shit and you pay.
They make 'run and jump man rehash 4432' and you buy it and think it is great.

Right now the hot issue for you scum is horizon vs zelda. two very shit games, with 'exclusivity' (another consolefag cancer). You try and say that shit framerates and sub 1080p (that can never be improved as you cannot do anything to improve the hardware in your locked down shit box) are ok when the company you are loyal to does it.

Consoles are simply the casual, normalfag option. They are for kids and those people that don't care about their gaming experience at all.

I cannot wait for you to all move to tablets/phones and you will argue samsung vs apple or whatever your shitty run and jump man cartoon shit game is on.

>technically-complex games.
On a console? hilarious. DF is a complex game. OTTD is a complex game. The most complex console game is civ 2 on on the ps1.

Console gaming is a fad that is coming to the end of its lifespan.

>These people dont get how pretty much 95% of all games people like to discuss on here, and especially outside of here, exist only because of consoles.

That's a nice delusion and all, but the only reason consoles exist is because they're an easy way to put a leash on consumers because the industry hates the piracy boogeyman and used game reselling.

If consoles didn't exist, your beloved games would simply come out on the PC.

Literally the industry standard in game engines since 3D graphics became a thing, Unreal Engine, allows you to compile for any platform. There's no reason at all anymore why games should come out on consoles at all. All they do is hold back progress. It's 2017 and consoles still struggle with 1080p which was introduced 11 years ago.

You buy your shitty console, say, a PS3, it breaks, you gotta buy it again because there's no backwards compatibility. PS4 comes out, you buy it because PS3 games aren't coming out anymore and you end up with a paperweight that's not going to survive the next 5 years and your whole game library = useless unless you go on ebay and buy a new PS3.

You only get yourself locked down to a platform like Apple locks down their customers to iCloud, iTunes and the App Store. These people won't switch to Android or any other platform because all their money they invested is with Apple now.

When Steam goes under, I can just download all the games, crack them and play them for years to come. If CPU architectures (or anything, for that matter) change again, I can just emulate the games that no longer run. If a game's official servers close, someone inevitably will reverse-engineer it to run custom servers. You faggots can't do that because you're slaves.

You can't even play PS2 games on your PS3 without buying them again on PS Store, you cucks. And nintendo is pulling the same trick on you again with the Switch.

>If consoles didn't exist, your beloved games would simply
not exist
>come out on the PC.
lol nope
PC is unable financially support buy2play games.

This is correct
There's always going to be a market for billy bob's "I want mah plug n play boxa games"

Consoles were good until microsoft shit hammered its way into the industry.

>consoles don't exist
>the only way to play games is on the PC
>all games come out on PC
>literally everyone buys games on PC
>somehow that's not enough to support buy2play games

You're retarded

All it takes if for all the normies to realise

1) PC is cheaper (due to the need for a normal PC/ paid online which all normies buy)

2) PC has the games normies want to play
Normies only really care about multiplats and PC/nintendo exclusives (ps4/xbone top sellers are all multiplats and a few PC ports)

3) You can be a braindead retard and play a PC

Most people who aren't underage or in America already realise all of these, honestly only a matter of time until they go.

>the only way to play games is on the PC
Pic related wants to have a word with you.
>all games come out on PC
All games you are fantasizing about aren't even made in the first place. Just like nobody makes VHS tapes again, just because DVD players go extinct.
PC always was a port machine since its inception.
>literally everyone buys games on PC
1 % of the Steam user base actually buys games. The rest is just playing F2P garbage.
The vast majority of PCs is never made for and never runs video games.

>PC is cheaper
Yes

anyone who isn't underage or retarded can work out it is due to the onljne Jew.

Well the newest console released seems to have wifi signal strenght of only 10 meters until you cant get a connection anymore. If you own a switch, try this and be suprised. You can not use it as a handheld while still having a connection. (if you're not living next to your router at all times)

i´m predicting that games will start dying hard within a year, it´s reached the point of no longer being fashionable

>paid online which all normies buy
20 % of the PlayStation audience never connects their console to the Internet and play physical games offline.
50 % of those who get their console connected subscribe to PS+.

gamespot.com/articles/2016s-best-selling-games-in-the-us-revealed/1100-6447090/

>50 % of those who get their console connected subscribe to PS+.

Literally just people who aren't using it. Normies all play cod/fifa/overwatch/gta.

There hasn't been a high budget, technically complex game in a decade

>Children all play cod/fifa/overwatch/gta.
Fixed that for you.

>cod/fifa/gta are the most popular games on the ps4
>Children all play cod/fifa/overwatch/gta.

Children play video games

This. I hate MS so god-damn much. They are the ones who introduced the cancer that is paid-online, and it forced the competition to adopt the same model to not be at a disadvantage. They wanted to push even more shit onto us with the Xbone (no physical discs, no possibility to share games, always online, etc.), but fortunately didn't get their way. I'm glad to know that consumers still have a limit for how hard they let themselves be screwed.

I wish Xbox would die but it's never gonna happen, since it's backed by one of the biggest companies out there. Other than that, no I don't want consoles to die out.

It's just Amerifats who keep Xbux alive.

Consoles today are just general purpose hardware running operating systems that remove all the hassles and problems of Windows.

Most consoles achieve this by using superior UNIX based operating systems which naturally avoid all of those problems.
Microsoft on the other hand will never fix those problems in Windows itself because they want to force you to buy an Xbox.

As hardware gets cheaper, and Linux gaming gets more mature the niche that consoles currently fill in the market place is going to get narrower and narrower.

Not really no. Consoles dying will only mean more quality coming to the market, since most AAA devs won't be restricted to archaic hardware and controls.

PC is currently the strongest market, with mobiles at a close second. I suggest anyone with a console to accept the fate and move on.

>sharing/trading games

Literally piracy. It's a good thing physical discs are going away.

>They wanted to push even more shit onto us with the Xbone (no physical discs, no possibility to share games, always online, etc.)

pretty sure valve invented that.

Honestly, the time is due for another viedeogame market crash to start from a clean slate and remove all the horrid business practices that have stratified over the years that people accept because they are blinded by brand loyalty. Too bad it won't happen due to consoles being either produced by megacorporations that can take on the losses from their console divisions without any issue (Sony, Microsoft) or by Nintendo, which has a net profit from any unit sold and will therefore never go bankrupt

We're already passed that point. I was disappointed to find that my Xbone is basically a 360+.

I think it happened when Netflix was made for 7th gen consoles.

Never ever rdr
Never ever Horizon
Never ever Bloodborne
Never ever Bayonetta
Never ever TLOU

kek sure is masterrace in here

95% of all games discussed on here are complete fucking garbage triple A trash that you should stop playing.

>Console gaming is a fad that is coming to the end of its lifespan.

40+ years on market and still growing is a fad now kek PCbros

Y-y-yes! I only play superior low budget fanservice n-nipponese games myself as well! Fucking triple A plebs don't know what they are missing!!!

No, I only play 10+ year old games and the occasional 5 year old game I got on a steam sale for less than 10 dollars.

>technically-complex games.
>consoles

lol. good one. had me going there for a while

Consoles in their current incarnation are blatantly anti-consumer devices.

In the past, they had their advantages, either superior graphics, easier plug-and-play gameplay without any troubleshooting or patching, couch multiplayer, what have you. Exclusives also had reason to exist, because they relied on specific hardware present in the consoles.

Now console have none of these advantages, they're basically locked down PCs. Exclusives these days basically exist as a way to hold games hostage to convince people to choose a platform. There is no technical reason for exclusives to exists, it's just plain anti-consumer practice.

The next logical step is an idiot proof generic game playing box.

Valve had the right idea with the Steambox concept, but unfortunately the market wasn't ready yet, and their implementation sucked. Give it maybe another decade, and someone will come out with something like a Steambox that actually works, basically a generic console.

Xbone isn't 360+, it's PC-.

I used to be a console dude all the way until this gen hit. I own a Gamecube, DS, GBA, PS2, and xbox 360. With the announcements of the Xbone and PS4 I got my doubts and built a PC instead. I'm glad I did since the best games to come out have been multiplats anyways. The only console exclusive I'm interested in is Nioh, but fuck getting a console for one game. I can get all the xbone games on Windows 10, so getting an xbone is pointless too. The Switch launch has been just as shit as its competition so I'm waiting for my cheap Wii U to come in to pirate games I missed out on.

It's pretty pathetic that the only objectively good thing to come out of this console gen is a fucking controller.

>PC is dead
The PC enthusiast market is growing faster than ever. PC components are becoming cheaper. More and more games are getting PC releases. Stop talking out of your ass.

What specifically about their implementation sucked?

The only thing that really comes to my mind is developers not being on board with Vulkan, and them releasing SteamOS before Vulkan was actually released. Based on their new hires in the last year and the work that's been coming out of Valve and going into projects like Mesa, particularly RadV it seems they're hard at work prepping for a new version of the Steam Machines built around AMD's next-gen APUs.

There's also kind of a glimpse of the future in all the Raspberry Pi based retro consoles. It won't be that long until current gen style power costs $35.

Console market isfucking dying.

>Valve had the right idea with the Steambox concept, but unfortunately the market wasn't ready yet, and their implementation sucked.
That failed attempt tried to lock publishers and customers into Steam and doesn't support physical games.
That alone makes it worse than any Windows or Android PC:
The concept failed because Valve tried to create a console without the advantages of a console.

What advantages does a console have over a PC?

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Those include family and work PC's worldwide you double nigger. It's dropping because family households and firms have switched from desktop PC's to tablets. If you look at the PC enthusiast/gaming market you'll see it's been growing over the last few years.

>where the mobas and team-based shooters with randomized accessories as a business model is the most high-tech and mechanically-deep game on offer?
Consoles these days have mostly third person and first person action games, with no deep mechanics anywhere to be seen, even RPGs are a dying genre being moved into standard action games. They're dominated by large, risk averse companies that view innovation as an anathema to their business model and design all games by committee.

By virtue of the platform being more open and more powerful (both control-wise and hardware-wise), PCs have always had a greater variety of niche games that never come to consoles. Real time and turn based strategy games, grand strategy, real time tactics, economic simulators, city builders, driving and flying simulators, military simulators, space games, and a bunch of other genres. Additionally, most games aside from a couple of exclusives always come to the PC eventually. The PC also runs all the older games perfectly, there's no generations for PC and basically if I want to play a game, there's a way to do it.

If there's one thing I'm not worried at all about in PC games, its variety. That has always been one of the PCs strengths. I can always find something to play regardless of my mood.

uhuh that totally trumped raw figures of total consoles sold for the past 9 nine years you special fuck.

Consoles aren't dying. They are consolidating. Last gen, there was a reason to own all three consoles. Now, the xbox one and PS4 are the same, and since PS4 is better, everyone just flocks to that. That chart shows that handheld gaming is dying more than anything, as the PS4 is selling better than the PS3 or xbox 360 ever did, with a max of 17.37 million units in 2015.

The only ones left that I can think of are:
Forced uniform hardware setup
Low level APIs
Non-Windows OS / for Microosft-only Windows OS that is locked down with some shit fixed

If you look at Valve's Steam Machines they have two of those three, possibly all three when the next-gen ones are revealed.

As for Windows vs Xbox, that shit will never get fixed in Windows as long as the Xbox exists, but they are apparently going to lock Windows down.

PC always wins baby

>The concept failed because Valve tried to create a console without the advantages of a console.
I dunno man, that concept worked really well for Xbone and PS4.

No faggot, it's because people have wised up and are gaming on phones and pcs and not jap kike consoles anymore.

Wasn't this why the "Steam Machine" was made and and ended up flopping hard for it?

PC gaming has more of a chance of dying than console gaming.

As time goes on, people are becoming more and more lazy and complacent and are willing to put up with mediocrity because they know their poor willpower and drive to do anything worthwhile means companies can literally walk all over them and take their money.

In like two decades when the majority of the market is nothing but lazy shitheads, consoles will cater to them more than ever and all the things that work against pcfags will add up.

>It's pretty pathetic that the only objectively good thing to come out of this console gen is a fucking controller.

This

The first version of the Steam Machines were like the early alpha dev consoles that the general public almost never sees.
It felt like they were targeted more at developers than end users.

Where did this meme come from that consoles are responsible for good vidya concepts? Hardware has nothing to do with the creativity and skill of developers (except in the way that it can limit that creativity if it isn't powerful enough to pull off their ideas).

As soon as they got into consoles they started to neglect their PC Game studios over time too

>this b8
kill yourself

PC gaming is never going to die off fully because it doesn't need a huge market to live.

Small companies catering to a certain niche can make games with a small budget and still come out ahead.

That's why games like ArmA 3, DCS or Wargame: Red Dragon can exist on PC but can never exist on the consoles.

PC has a little something for everyone, while consoles need to cater to as large a population as they can hit, thus they have to focus on large-budget games with mass appeal.

Valve has nothing to do with that
Valve didn't force 3rd party publishers to release empty physical disks versions of their games with a steam code inside them

Not to mention there's DRM-free alternatives like GOG and there's DRM-free physical versions of PC games out there(mostly indie shit though)

Game sizes becoming bigger and Blu-ray not being widely adopted on PC has something to do with it as well

>PC gaming has more of a chance of dying than console gaming.

This much is true, but your reasons are bullshit. Windows gaming at least will die at least in its current form because Microsoft plans to force the Windows Store.

"10 ain't done till Steam won't run" was the unofficial motto for the new version, just like many other versions of Windows and DOS before it when it came to competing products. They're pushing that agenda forward just slowly enough that no one in the Windows software ecosystem at least will really be able to challenge it.

Their only problem in achieving that goal is that Linux gaming has actually been doing pretty well and is now somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million players that are x86 Linux-only (no Wine or dual booting). At this point though I think Microsoft is fully willing to lose the entire enthusiast market, 5-10% of their current user base, in order to more efficiently extract money from the users who are left.

>Does anybody else fear the day that consoles stop being a thing?

At the rate the PS4 is selling, it's obvious that there is still a place for consoles and likely will be for the foreseeable future.

At the end of the last generation you had PC gamers squawking about how consoles are dead and how everyone will switch to PC.

The PC market is growing sure but so is the population.

In answer to your question, do I fear it? No. Do I expect it to happen soon? Absolutely not.

I do however fully expect Microsoft to pull out of the console market when the Scorpio inevitably fails.

Playing games off the disk/cart(it's still appalling that PC's don't have this feature)

Well they used to have it... not anymore(except for the Switch)

It's born from the fact that consoles are their own, defined entities and there is a push for creating games for that hardware, manufactured by the company behind that console by striking exclusivity deals with developers, among other means.

The PC does not have a singular entity behind it attempting to amass developers under its wing, and this is why console kids think that there's no interest towards PC.

Yet PS4 software sales are abysmal

The PC used to have a lot of devs who created games for it once upon a time

Since then a lot of those devs either died off or sold out to consoles though

PC is where serious gaming belongs, the ps4/xbone are just prisons (one being a very tiny prison) for games. They aren't doing you any favors by existing. Devs would also benefit from people buying their games from them and not used game stores when production of physical copies end and that generation is over.

Don't worry, consoles will never die as long as there are stupid kids to swindle. Its getting interesting how far devs and companies are pushing their luck, these kids will fall for fucking anything and adults don't care to really protest it. Consoles as we know it will die but the future consoles will be more like a nintendo switch to compete with phones as they become more viable for real games. They all deserve to have consoles survive forever.

Really? Because if you look at most AAA games the largest playerbase is almost always on PS4.

>What advantages does a console have over a PC?
Presence in the retail market
Physical games
Long-term platform support
Financial support (for game developers)
"Steam Machines" were never more than Chinks shitting out overpriced garbage PCs with SteamOS preinstalled.
Means they had less features than any Windows PC and than any console. If you want to develop a game for that, you were on you own.
Therefore nobody fell for that trash.

My biggest problem with pc is that i have fucking nothing to play besides mobas/team shooters and early access basebuilders/survival games. Literally pc in a nushell whereas consoles have fucking crazy good exclusives like Bloodborne, Nioh, Botw, Uncharted, Last of us the list goes on and on and on..

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Microsoft bribed a lot of developers to get them into the Xbox ecosystem early on.
They even went as far as buying out certain developers to remove their games from other platforms in order to try to force the Xbox.

Many kids forget, Bungie was pushing Mac and Linux gaming back in the late 90s. If they hadn't been killed, skinned, and had a Microsoftie wear their skin and pretend to be them we could have been looking at a very different computer gaming landscape in through the 00s.

>I dunno man, that concept worked really well for Xbone
I don't see anything, that worked well for Xbone.

That was before the retarded "us vs them" culture that came about with aggressive console marketing. Massive hardware manufacturers bought entire studios for themselves to try and get an edge on their opposition, not caring what chaining these developers into developing exclusively for their hardware would mean for the industry going forward.

Exclusivity deals should just be banned outright, to be honest.

Exclusives, maybe. But software in general does fine on ps4

>Means they had less features than any Windows PC
This is false. SteamOS is a fully capable PC operating system. The only thing it lacks are the non-stanard proprietary APIs that Microsoft has so far successfully forced on the PC dev landscape to lock them in and restrict them to Xbox levels (or sometimes sub-Xbox levels) of capability.

> If you want to develop a game for that, you were on you own.
Valve has invested significant money in supporting game development for Linux. Even going so far as to assist some third parties with in-house porting efforts. They employ a lot of really big names in Linux gaming now, and also have a team working on drivers as well.

The main reason SteamOS has largely flopped is that right now at least you're almost always better off just using Ubuntu.

People have been doom & gloom about consoles before current gen and most people said that PS4 and xbone will go the way of Wii U.

Obviously they were wrong. And console space is as healthy as ever.

>as healthy as ever
Clearly its not when there's only one successful system this generation and its at a fraction of the previous generations total systems.

>third world countries rely on console cafe rentals.

I'm from a third world country, been to other third world countries, have a high end PC and you're absolutely full of shit.

i hope you're shitposting and don't actually consider this an argument

Future consoles will be iphones and pixels like hundreds of millions of current consoles are.

>empty physical disks versions of their games with a steam code inside them

lol i guess you never bought the physical copy of Portal 2. I did not have internet for a month, and when i went to install the game, the cd just linked to steam's download link.

Face it, Valve invented what console makers are trying to do right now. They are trying to make their own market ecosystem, the only problem is they are not that good at it.

>This is false. SteamOS is a fully capable PC operating system.
SteamOS is something that boots into Steam Big Picture. Doesn't matter what faggots can mod it into. Normies cannot installed their PC games bought on GOG there.
It's just replacing one platform lock-in with another one.

> Normies cannot installed their PC games bought on GOG there.
Its just like it is on the normal Steam for Linux. Just add it as third party software.

>It's just replacing one platform lock-in with another one.
Except that SteamOS can run any software you can run on any other version of Debian.
If that's too hard for you its not difficult to locate a customized version of SteamOS that includes Kodi, RetroArch, and other third-party utilities pre-loaded with a UI to switch between them.
If GoG or other stores ever bother to release their clients for Linux it would be trivial to add them in.

Post-lock Windows 10 will actually only allow you to run UWP software purchased from the Windows Store.

Not gonna happen, consoles will always exist because it will always be easier to buy a game and put the disc in and play it.

>Post-lock Windows 10 will actually only allow you to run UWP software purchased from the Windows Store.
It will be as successful as Windows Phone.

>slowly enough that no one will be able to challenge it

No one gives a shit about the windows 10 store user. Every release has been awful and they still haven't even gotten the balls to put a FULL Halo game on there or novelty games like Rare Replay. They're cowards.

So I really fail to see your reasoning as to how they're going to challenge platforms like Steam and GoG.

That's just it, they don't have to "Challenge" them.
They can simply disallow users from even having them as an option.

OEMs will have no option but to sell the new version because older versions of Windows won't support current hardware, and the majority of users will have trouble avoiding the update because of 10s rolling release nature.

Even if its just a soft lock that is easily undone through a burried checkbox in the UI you'll still get 99%+ of new Windows systems and a good chunk of all Windows 10 systems locked with users who will just shrug their shoulders and accept the new restriction.
Don't think that businesses will save you from this fate either, corporate admins have wanted this kind of functionality, and Microsoft has made tools available to them to re-pack their in house software so that they can make it available.

I own a business setting up console cafe rentals and xbox 360 kinect just dance for arcades, go choke on a bag of dicks and die fag.

>OEMs will have no option but to sell the new version because older versions of Windows won't support current hardware
That's a problem these chink OEMs have, because nobody in his right mind will buy this garbage hardware.
I have literally NO USE for a computer that only runs "Windows Store" apps.
Why the fuck should I buy one?
It's as useless as a Windows RT tablet.
So normies simply avoid it and go Android.
In fact, they already do.