Was he a good villain?

Was he a good villain?

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Flowey did literally nothing wrong.

He was a victim of his own circumstance. There's nothing he could have done differently given his nature. Like Hal9000 or the scorpion who stung the frog.

the scorpion is still a nigger though

>Tries to kill you the first time he sees you
>Which is at the very beginning of the game

Literally the best thing about the game, he's like the Dio of Phantom Blood.

Context? I don't play meme games.

Flowey yes, Asriel no.

Literal Autistic edgelord shit

He's a good villain but he's really not present in the game as much as he should be. He just turns up at the end

He tells you to kill everyone. If you don't he gets mad and becomes an admittedly impressively designed monster that closes out the game when you lose and messes with the game window.
Then if you never killed a single enemy you fight his true form which is the main character's goat brother and it's just a generic evil wizard who you defeat through the power of friendship.

Those were friendship pellets.

WE'RE IN UNDERTALE

he spooked me, I felt his 4th wall presence was well done, not too trope-ish but not too overdone

Unique and memorable, that's for sure.

In b4
>he was just edgy
He was edgy, but not "just". That's a specific kind of edge, certainly not the common edge of the
>I was mistreated and want to destroy the world now
kind

Undertale was pretty good.

Sup Forums blew the meme out of proportion, those who played the game early after release know that it's good.

Blundertail....

as opposed to playing now?

the controversy is bound to effect a new player's view of the game when going in.

kys

hi leafy

I hate Grass-types. Don't ever call me by such an offensive nickname ever again. "Darky" sounds cooler.

chara was a fucking amazing antagonist

but thas raysiss mane

*protagonist

What the HECK does "raysiss" mean, faggot?

but thas homophobic dude

Villains don't apologize.

Why do the japs like Undertale so much?

>it's cute
>it's similar to mother series
>it has parts similar to 2hu
>author is a weeb and wants weeb audience - weebs like jap stuff so japs are likely to like weeb stuff

Not a clue

that sounds reddit as fuck

>beat him
>"M-MASAKA! BAKANA!"
dropped

So, what happens if you DO kill everyone?

you go to the Genocide route, which has the best and hardest fights in the game

He acts as though he's your ally and even tells you about his past and origins. At the end he begs you not to kill him, obviously to no avail.

He's a child with god powers. He felt no remorse to anything because he could just reload over and over again to see what would be different, plus the fact he had no soul or empathy. I thought he was compelling enough.

>Kill everyone!
>Wait shit not me AW FUCK

>cute character designs
>jrpg
>the music
>"save the world with friendship" ending that's in shonen manga

THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA!

Sup Forums was filled to the brim with people saying Undertale was fantastic before it got super popular and became cool to hate. Pretty much like usual.

I always found it funny how you attack him multiple times when most characters fall in a single hit.

No, she was.

Not usual - it only works like that for games everyone can play.
If it was playstation exclusive, it would stay overrated until it was ported.

Villain? He's my best friend!
He reminds me of myself when I was an edgy teen.

Actually he continually follows you throughout the game and you can see his influence everywhere.

If you backtrack a half screen or so in certain places you can see him for half a second before he burrows back underground, this happens in several different places all the way up to the end of the game.

In the conversation with Sans at Grillby's he mentions how a certain flower has been whispering unsettling things in the ear of Papyrus.

In Waterfall I believe you can briefly see him next to an Echo Flower and if you later listen to that Echo Flower it says some rather disturbing things.

He's not really supposed to be in your face all the time, its not the kind of villain he is. He's much better suited to influencing you and other people from behind the scenes which I think is portrayed pretty well.

And if you really want to know and learn more about him, as well as see him get significantly more screen time, Play the Genocide route.

Post more moondick.

>I don't play meme games.

>comics about specific characters never
>alarm app never ever
Fuck you Toby.

Where's my Mettaton comics REEEEEE

Why was that, anyway? Was it because he had no soul?

>i don't even know what the game is about but Sup Forums told me not to play it
kys nog

Oh yeah you just reminded me that he promised those and now I'm mad. I really wanted to get some canon comics that expand upon the characters instead of this endless fanwankery.

>kikestalmud (((promises)))
It was inevitable

I guess he isn't even a monster, made of magic like everyone else, but an actual flower that was injected with Determination.

He still had a bit of determination in him.

He really would have got old quickly if he was used more as being edgy in a good way and save mechanics are his main schticks.

WHERE'S MY HARD MODE TOBY

I wouldn't mind it done by Archie, I'd just brace myself for the inevitable Sonic crossover.

>flowey doesn't pull off a Irisu and pop up outside the game to talk to the player
>instead just waits for the player to come back like a faggot
Wasted potential desu

you fight the midget skeleton who is actually the hardest boss of the game, kill Flowey and you destroy the world yourself
Also your save and steam account is tainted and the good ending is replaced with a bad one

The only legitimate criticisms I've ever seen this game get

>Humor is hit and miss, if it's a miss you won't enjoy the story
>If you have any experience whatsoever in bullet hell the game will be painfully easy
>Alphys (based on his ex-gf, of course)
>No hard mode, not even working on a second game anymore due to Toby being an idiot who's micromanaging his money to support his friends' families

>get to lava map
>game takes a steep decline
why is this?

The (((reptoid)))

Toby was pandering to a specific person with that part of the game and ignored the rest of playtesters

Alphys is an annoying weeb and she won't shut up.

He is a physical soulless flower injected with Determination, you probably don't even kill him by tearing him apart. (in the neutral ending he is dissolving back into the flower, not in the genocide one)

The same could be said for like 92% of this website.

*interrupts ur game*

Well remember Sup Forums use to just be an anime board way back in the day.

>Alphys (based on his ex-gf, of course)
>No hard mode, not even working on a second game anymore due to Toby being an idiot who's micromanaging his money to support his friends' families
Sauce?

>Sup Forums having actually managing to discuss Undertale
I guess enough time passed.

The dust has settled.

The dust has finally settled.

neat

absolute hivemind

>DUDE, ANIME LMAO
I liked most of the cast, but she was just irredeemably obnoxious.

Ayyyy.

It's the kind of character that reminds you why nerds get beat up all the time.

True Lab's still the best part of the game.

It's great the first time but unfortunately it's not a very replayable part. Should have some sort of secret alternate path.

It's pretty speedrunable at least. It's like a survival horror game in that regard.

It takes the story in a direction it never should have gone and makes the whole package even more embarrassing

nigga, it was a great way of explaining flowey, shut up

Your post if the first time I've ever seen someone call True Lab "embarrassing."

true lab turns undertale from a 9/10 into an 11/10

the game does a MASSIVE tone jump and delivers great narrative, redeeming/fleshing out at least 3 or 4 characters at the same time.. like, you realize that while you were dicking around above ground THIS place existed. it's amazing, stfu

youtube.com/watch?v=jb8E8NQCErg

>Alphys
>Redeemed

If anything it makes you hate her even more.

She'd be on death row if Asgore wasn't so Beta.

it redeems her from a meme character, shown by the date with undyne directly preceding truelab, and shows that she actually has a personality that just wasn't shown by her previous dialogue.. it also explains why her dialogue is so quirky.

She's literally trying to hide all her pain and despair over experimenting on dead monsters by acting like an obnoxious lesbian weeb.

yeah, that sounds like a way more interesting character to me than "eh i just like anime and boobs"

A FLOWER?!

But nobody came

Reminder that Chara had a plan to free the monsters but asriel screwed it up!

reminder that this is all just a game.
chara did literally nothing wrong.

Alphys is what makes Undertale a 6/10 instead of a 7/10 for me. She fucking ruined Hotland.

The scorpion did nothing wrong and is falsely accused as a treacherous animal in nature despite sacrificing themselves to save others.

mmmmmh...
I wonder who could be behind this post.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_and_the_Mouse
The frog is the true treacherous bastard. Also the scorpion sacrificed itself to kill Orion and save everyone else.