Why do most video games that include religion always have it set in either an atheist or pantheist setting...

Why do most video games that include religion always have it set in either an atheist or pantheist setting? Why do they so rarely (if ever) have a proper "fire and brimstone" singular God?

Because it would be boring?

Do you meant polytheistic? several gods are generally more interresting than one.

How is that boring?
>Dude I'm the god of justice.
>Dude I'm the god of like... forests.
>Dude I'm the water god
>I'm like the leader god
This shit gets really stale.

I mean it's amazing how all of these developers live in western society but they borrow almost nothing from Abrahamic religions even in general, let alone Christianity.

I mean why do we never see a video game God raining fire on the homosexuals or melting people like slugs for their transgressions? At a minimum it would be a nice change of pace.

>Do you meant polytheistic? several gods are generally more interresting than one.

Woops. Yes that it what I meant.

Polytheism has it's benefits because you can see the gods as having generally limited power, and their involvement with the plot usually resolves you helping to settle things that they can't themselves. They generally just become quest givers as their plot-based weaknesses are crafted for you to help resolve (e.g. one god steals another one's sacred staff and you're tasked with getting it back otherwise they are helpless). This approach lends itself to easy quest design but it's very boring narratively.

Almost always leads to the worse villains who is a literal for the evulz satan and deep down we know a good god allowing evil and only the redemption of mankind through weird predestinated narratives don't make sense and undermine the story despite all the mental gynmastics of religious people.

>Because God doesn't conform to my atheist, postmodern worldview on morality he's illogical and doesn't exist

Some games do, such as Shin Megami Tensei. However, it's rough ground to tread due to Monotheistic Abrahamic religions being the norm. It's a difficult sell to the mainstream who would fear retribution of God/YHVH/Jehova for playing such a blasphemous game.

Because each of those Gods can represent a character and offer opposing views.

>Oh I am the one god, everyone worship me or be fucked over

Polytheistic gods already have to be dumbed down to be surmountable in vidya, any depictions you'd see of Abrahamic God would just be a weak caricature and not remotely similar to the real deal anyway.

>Abrahamic God
>Real deal

The idea of a belief in an overpower is debatable, but Why people assume a kike-god is the real god is questionable.

>but Why people assume a kike-god is the real god is questionable
Didn't say real in real life, meant as depicted in the religion (omniscient and omnipotent). That isn't beatable outside gags or if you're a retarded weeb.

>It's a difficult sell to the mainstream
Don't think a JRPG high school simulator is trying to appeal to normies user

because video game audience is a bunch of kids and manchildren who are fedora tippers and edgy faggots

Christian God is existence itself. It's literally unfeasible to have something bigger than it in fiction.
>And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
St Anselm also defines God as "that of which no greater can be conceived", Aquinas defines him with "ipsum esse per se subsistens". He's by definition the greatest being possible hence he would be boring to have as a character in a game.
t. a Catholic

Because there are far far far far more pantheistic and polytheistic religions than there are monotheistic ones.

>A bunch of kikes said it, so it must be true

There is literally nothing that adds more weight to the Abrahamic god than anything else.

Dragon's Dogma.

Just it turns out your Omniscient and omnipotent god is just a slave to reality too.

The christian god would probably be represented in a disrespectful way, or too many atheists would complain he was in the game in the first place. People avoid the subject on purpose.

Personally I'd like to see a game about a holy war, angels and god vs satan and demons.

>Aquinas and Anselm
>"bunch of kikes"
Please go back to Sup Forums you illiterate nigger

I was reading a thread the other day about Gnostic Christian stuff and other Jewish mythology that makes the Final Cut version where the Catholic Church picked and chose what they liked to create the Christianity we know now even less believable since they were just trying to create a more palatable religion for the masses by cutting away 50% of it and rearranging what was left.

>game about a holy war, angels and god vs satan and demons.
Darksiders did it kinda. The angels always refer to God as "the creator" though. I'm guessing they did that to avoid offending people idk

Because "God is Dead" and theres a ton of people trying to write their way out of a nihilisic shithole and just going with such an all encompasing answer feels too easy.

I would be down for something that shows more respect from an abrahamic god if it doesn't inadvertently make characters into mary sues.

Also, charcters going through crises of faith, disbelief, and failure will garner much more sympathy than someone who simply grabs faith by the horns. Unless you're going for a paladin, in which case they still need character developement.

>too many atheists would complain he was in the game in the first place.
This is honestly what will happen. PC culture and SJWs. See this thread for example. Just let them fight over their politics, don't drag them into gaming, they're bad enough in their own native environments.

>He thinks Aquinas and Anselm were the start of the Abrahamic God.

>heheh I want to shitpost about this non-vidya topic, if I put "video games" in my post then the mods will be none the wiser!

Wow totally subtle OP, I'm sure they'll fall for it.

The absolute madman

>implying most of us atheists dont see the fedora tippers and identity suckers as spooked retards fighting for scraps

well no shit, that's why it's able to do those themes. That user is saying that's why most game devs DON'T do such a game - because it would be a hard sell, in the West at least.

Japanese games dont' care, and will use Abrahamic religions, but their understanding of it can vary wildly.

When did I say that? What I did was quote Exodus which is congruent with other, later definitions.

Polytheism is objectively better than what ever shit you believe in

multiple monotheistic faiths have always antagonized each other. there was never such a thing as Christian hegemony.

in any case, Dragon Age seems to be what you have in mind.

>let's worship contingent beings!
Laughable, might as well worship a literal chair.

>Dragon's Dogma.
There was no omnipotent entities in that game.

>Just it turns out your Omniscient and omnipotent god is just a slave to reality too.
I suggest you look up what 'omnipotence' means, it might prevent you from looking retarded in the future.

This, Christian Larpers are essentially coin tippers giving money to greedy Jews called by a different name.

>better
I never said that polytheism should be practiced I merely stated that it is better.
>let's worship contingent beings!
From a faith perspective there is no difference between polytheism and monotheism.

Yes there is, most monotheistic religions revolve around a necessary being. All polytheistic religions revolve around contingent beings.
Hell even Plato and Aristotle had to make up other, bigger Gods (very much like the Jewish one) because their polytheistic gods couldn't handle the chain of causality, and only sophists believed in past-eternity.

no religious doctrine can survive basic skepticism, unless said skepticism is actively repressed. in an age of religious freedom and free speech, it simply cannot survive and will die within our lifetime.

it doesn't matter who wins an argument between a neckbeard and some inbred christian hick, it's pointless. it's already over. accept this before you argue unsubstantiable beliefs for 400 posts.

Monotheistic deities are more Lovecraftian and absolute, polytheistic deities can be overthrown or even killed, and often tend to be city/location specific.

>muh Current Year
Stick to comedy Oliver.

Calling it "the Abrahamic God" is a bit misleading.
The Christian God theology is in a way more a legacy of Aristotelian thought than Jewish one.
Jews don't really have the whole "unmoved mover" thing going on.

t. retard that has never picked up a single philosophy book in his entire life
Scientific method is permeated by theological assumptions, kys. At the very least pick up Hume or Stirner if you don't want to come off as a blatantly illiterate retard.

Shin Megami Tensei has YHVH, sure, but also basically every god ever exists. And though YHVH is extremely powerful, he's a bit of a poser and more of a demiurge than the one true creator god he would have you believe.
Persona isn't SMT

We have made a New God however, and opposing it means you get a angry mob after you with the sole objective of systematically destroy you.
The same mob that, a second before, said exactly this

>no religious doctrine can survive basic skepticism, unless said skepticism is actively repressed. in an age of religious freedom and free speech, it simply cannot survive and will die within our lifetime.

The one that can give me the name of the New God will receive a (You) as a prize

don't give me that "the bible is a methaphor for reality" bullshit
99% of religious people do not see it that way

Nah, there's always going to be people who need that fairy tale to keep them from wallowing in their own despair because the idea of Heaven existing is the only thing keeping their lives from falling apart, apparently. Some people need that delusion just to function.

>post-modern morality is so degenerate why not basing good and evil on reasonable common good with a balance between the individual and society when you can just base it on a book telling you not wanting to marry and impregnate the wife of your dead is good and explexitely brainwashed a decent pharoh into an hellbound monster to teach your chosen people a lesson

give me the name of the conspiracy forum you frequent and ill give you the name of your god

I'm honestly jealous. If I could bring myself to believe in an afterlife I'd probably be a much happier person.

If you have multiple deities, you can have a number of shitty/boring/whatever irrelevant deities, as well as more important ones as varied players in your story. If you only have one, you need to REALLY make sure this single deity is worth their grand stature, which leads to poor writers doing one of a number of things:
>Single God is an overbearing, cruel asshole, so everybody hates them for a reason, meaning that there's no real reason for worship, making the existence of this god purposeless
>Single God is a goody two-shoes who just pampers humanity at all times, and doesn't ever demand respect, meaning that humans who are worshippers need to be aggressively kind/stupid in order to feel a need for pressuring others into faith
>Single God is some human expy in an attempt at humanizing a fucking deity, rather than exploring grander deific concepts
>Single God is pointlessly grand and majestic and is so all-encompassing that their presence might as well not even be there
If you don't have one God, you can make any number of traits and dudes and call them "gods". If you have only one, you need to explore why this god is relevant, why this god is worthy of the respect and faith of their followers, and what reason this god would have to do what they do. If you're a shitty writer (ie: most video game writers), you choke up when you realize that one god takes more to write than many, and instead write many "I'm a Fire God, I'm an Ice God, I'm a Mountain God" characters.

>post-modern morality is so degenerate why not basing good and evil on reasonable common good with a balance between the individual and society
Like communism did.

As far as conspiracy goes i'm a Sup Forums user
I'm a shitposter-y guy
Everything i say is made of baiting and lies

Other than that i'm a avid SA goer, don't have an account though but the fact they managed to intertwine a CMANO let's play with a Phoenix Command one is pure fucking gold

>Create a philosophical concept that is both existence and the first cause
>Call it God and say it makes Jesus and the Bible true
Medieval philosophy and apologetics in a nutshell, not saying they weren't geniuses but it's not an argument for the abrahamic god and even them weren't trying to do so, it was philosophy of religion.

Actraiser did it pretty well I think. That said, I'd like to see more games where there's a single god, but not an omnipotent or infallible one. I've always been very interested in certain Gnostic ideas of God, that he created an imperfect universe that needs to be redeemed by another power.

>communism
>balance

I can only think of religion being portrayed as "le evil christinz maymay! XD" like the eternal fire idiots in the Witcher books and games. Religion in games is always portrayed as:

>genocidal christians (witcher 3)
>naive child-like idiot christians (girl from the train later dying in the desert, red dead redemption)

By the way, i'm waiting for your answer now

But the scientific methode is methodical naturalism.
And are you basically the numerous contributions of the catholic church to science makes science religious forever? that's not how it works.

Ok you were just baiting.

>Hell even Plato and Aristotle had to make up other, bigger Gods (very much like the Jewish one) because their polytheistic gods couldn't handle the chain of causality, and only sophists believed in past-eternity.
>make up other, bigger Gods
>make up Gods
My point is that if you're going to bother making Gods then why worship one that was created in a different region by a different culture.
Also >Gods handle the chain of causality

>naturalism that assumes reason to be true
>holds the principle of sufficient reason to be true
>holds that our observations are valid over time (universe wasn't created a moment ago with an appearance of age)
Among many others, these are all axiomatic assumptions no different than foundationalism and reformed epistemology.

>axiomatic assumptions
Just like the existence of God/s

best guess is some memeligious god, like Kek, or FSM, maybe even that bird one (thoth was it?)

No you wouldn't. Being religious for a rational (ironic you will say, I know) is difficult and it's a life of doubt, reassessment and perseverence.

Yes? I literally stated that right after. Hume discards both religion AND science because predictive modeling is no different from religion in that regard.

>faith perspective
Faith: 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. 2.strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Nope, thoese aren't the ""gods"" i was taking about

On second thought, you probably would, but that doesn't mean it'd be easy.

WASN'T YOUR RICK N MORTY THREAD ENOUGH RELIGIOUS SHITPOSTING FOR ONE DAY?

Just because r/atheists are obnoxious twats that doesn't mean you're any more welcome here, Christfag.

Monotheism you're believing in some transcendent ideal, polytheism you're believing in comic book heroes. The latter seems relatively more ridiculous.

God don't do anything while the minor gods give you magic.
Heck most polytheistic people had a contract-like relationship to their gods and believed they got nice things by worshiping them.
I mean why especially wanting to worship the creator god when the closest equivalent was the primordial chaos?

Abrahamic God toys with primordial chaos to amuse himself.

>Scientific method is permeated by theological assumptions

I read statements like this and have to wonder if you know what the Scientific Method is and its origin and how you became so retarded.

>Hume
>Stirner

It is funny how anons pretend to have some sort of education by bragging how "well read" they are on 18th and 19th century philosophers

>transcendent ideal
Wrong, Abrahamic God isn't a transcendent ideal it is an actual entity.
All Monotheistic religions came from Polytheistic religion until people decided to pool every Deity's power into one. Realistically both are ridiculous.

Aidios in Kiseki games is pretty much the only god.

>protesticucks

>God don't do anything while the minor gods give you magic.
Wrong he answers prayers and heals the sick
>Heck most polytheistic people had a contract-like relationship to their gods and believed they got nice things by worshiping them.
Just like Christianity "I'll change forever if you do this one thing for me!" *doesn't change*
>I mean why especially wanting to worship the creator god when the closest equivalent was the primordial chaos?
What are you trying to say here?

>Wrong, Abrahamic God isn't a transcendent ideal it is an actual entity.
That is the transcendent personification of good.

>Realistically both are ridiculous.
And polytheism is even moreso for the gods being vulnerable and basically superhumans as opposed to Azathoth+.

See You literally can't have an intelligible universe without theological assumptions, because stating that the universe is intelligible IS one. Don't pretend to know more than you do.

>predictive modeling is no different from religion

Except one of them uses empirical measurements and is constantly updating itself when new data is presented in order to improve and provide a better understanding of the universe, and the other is used as a justification for mindless zealotry in the name of an imaginary sky man.

The assumption of God he exists no matter what.
The assumption of science is that something held true can be considered invalidated with objectivity.
I wouldn't consider these to be equal assumptions.

WHY DOES ANYONE PATRICIPATE IN THESE THREADS? THEY ARE ALWAYS THE LEAST FUN SHITPOSTING THREADS. WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THAT NIGGER PROTAGONIST FOR BATTLEFRONT

YOU EITHER GET BRAINDEAD RETARDED Sup Forums MEMERS
OR PEOPLE LIKE THIS FAGGOT WHO ARE CURRENTLY MASTURBATING TO HOW RATIONAL THEY ARE
END YOURSELVES

>Wrong he answers prayers and heals the sick
Except that has happened never.

See Also read more, I'm done arguing about modal logic with dumb atheists. The smart ones died ages ago.

>Christfags
>Christfags still trying to pass around their shitty cult as monotheistic

You faggots lost all credibility the moment saints and all the various bullshit like marianic cults became a thing, you're just another shitty sincretic polytheistic sect parading aroung as a paragon of monotheism, stop being so full of yourselves.

>That is the transcendent personification of good.
Ok Jordan Peterson.

>And polytheism is even moreso for the gods being vulnerable and basically superhumans as opposed to Azathoth+.
Polytheism is ridiculous but combining all Gods into one God makes sense?

Heck most polytheistic people had a contract-like relationship to their gods and believed they got nice things by worshiping them.
>Heck most monotheistic people have a contract-like relationship to their God and believed they got nice things by worshiping him.
>Believed
That's what my post was referring to.

Are there any videogames that actually feature cosmic horror instead of ripping off the "le spooki octopi from space" aesthetic and calling it "cosmic horror"?

>Wrong he answers prayers and heals the sick
What setting are you talking about? there is plenty of fantasy ones where polystheistic gods give magic
>Just like Christianity "I'll change forever if you do this one thing for me!" *doesn't change*
What?
>What are you trying to say here?
You are projecting your own cultural bias here, there is no reasons why all polytheists would care about their gods not being the creator one.
Especially when in their own myths the closesr equivalent is some chaos, endless sea or abstract primordial gods ancestors to their own.

>Don't pretend to know more than you do.
I would suggest the same to you, since you are making the initial assumption that the universe is intelligible in the first place, when our understanding is just based off of initial assessments that we are constantly willing to change.

It is cute how you think you know jack shit though.

You still gave him a (you) despite him giving the wrong answer.

>you are making the initial assumption that the universe is intelligible in the first place
>when our understanding is just based off of initial assessments
You don't even know what intelligible means. Pathetic.
Again: go read a book, wikipedia summaries don't count ;)

Not an argument
>You literally can't have an intelligible universe without theological assumptions, because stating that the universe is intelligible IS one. Don't pretend to know more than you do.
We don't even know if the universe is intelligible...

>I'm the only intelligent one because I love making false equivalencies, and anyone who tries to point out a contradiction is the dumb one!

>Ok Jordan Peterson.
I'm not a leaf.

>Polytheism is ridiculous but combining all Gods into one God makes sense?
It makes more sense, as monotheistic entities are absolute, whereas polytheistic have cases of gods being killed by mortals. The latter is much less godlike.

Dankest dungeon, especially in the fight with the Ancestor
You receive the letter saying "plz, come and kill this thing"
The Ancestor fights you
He doesn't seem bothered in the lightest that you are beating his ass
Then during the first hearth phase everything clicks together and you go "wait a minute"
Tl;dr: you got baited into doing the thing's bidding, hard

>there are actual brainlets on this board who think the materialist account of reality has true explanatory power
>there are actual brainlets on this board who think determinism is what's keeping them tied to their desks and jerking off to loli porn like fucking degenerates
>there are actual brainlets on this board who think pointing out the conditionality of human mental constructs suffices for intellectual depth
>there are actual brainlets on this board who will deny the existence of truth or concepts such as the Good and then turn around and implicitly assume the hedonistic wasteland that is their inner lives automatically applies to everyone
>there are actual brainlets on this board who think chemicals somehow precede or determine mental activity themselves instead of just emotions and neural activity happening simultaneously
>there are actual brainlets on this board with such a profane, elementary understanding of religious consciousness that they think because science has proved fairies don't exist that there is literally no reason to speak of anything in non-quantitative terms ever again
>there are actual brainlets on this board with such a shallow grasp of history and religion they will immediately accuse me of being a "le christcuck xD" because if you're not a materialist you must be a rabid evangelical

>>Polytheism is ridiculous but combining all Gods into one God makes sense?
>It makes more sense, as monotheistic entities are absolute, whereas polytheistic have cases of gods being killed by mortals. The latter is much less godlike.

So are you saying that people create Gods for the sake of creating something? And that someone realized that creating something better than the next guy was more Ideologically sound based on zero evidence?

@374273076
Then give me the correct one and you shall receive two

>dude, you must assume you are not a brain in a jar or that the world is not just incoherent chaos! why not believe in Jesus???
Science isn't ideological and is a mere method, a scientist can be philosophically religious or genuinely believing the world is a creation of his mind, he's still using methological naturalism when doing his job as a scientist.