Can we just talk about how good pic related is?

Can we just talk about how good pic related is?

In comparison to what?

Nu-"RPG"s like PoE, and The Witcher 3

It was alright back then, because of the D&D license. All the Forgotten Realms and shit.
Now? Personally for me it just doesn't hold up anymore. Compared to 'recent' RPG I think Divinity Original Sin is doing things right.
Witcher (series, not just the last game) is a good game, but it is in its own league. PoE is different to BG in too many aspects to even compare.
You could compare BG to Tyranny and Pillars, but not the two you've mentioned.

>BG3 by Beamdog

As soon as Imoen fucks off with the Wizards yeah this game is enjoyable.

Fuck off, Obsidian is doing gods work keeping cRPGs alive

BG2 holds up fine. Always fun to boot it up once a year to go on an adventure. So much character building, open ended quests, parties, etc... Now if you said that one doesn't hold up I'd agree. Too much low level dnd combat. Definitely holds up better than the Ultima or Fallout games. Also by PoE I mean Pillars.

>Nu-"RPG"s like PoE, and The Witcher 3

>Nu

Way to kill your own thread with faggotry.

>As soon as Imoen fucks off with the Wizards yeah this game is enjoyable.

this faggot again...

>Fuck off, Obsidian is doing gods work keeping cRPGs alive
Nope. Obsidian shat out one gem and it was New Vegas. A shit covered gem at that. Requiring so much mods just to make the damn thing playable without a crash. Pillars has had to have been one of the most dull experiences I've had the pain of playing through. Just dumping shitty fanfictions on me throughout the whole game. Josh "if it's not balanced it's not good" Sawyer is a hack. The White March was good I guess.

God no.

It does not. I mentioned that I feel that way, personally. Reason for that being I am much older now and I don't have the same tastes in games anymore.
The game is nearly 20 years old. I am older by that much now. Too much time passed reading books and playing tabletop games.
Sorry, I mistakenly assumed you've meant Path of Exile with PoE. My bad.

Some men want their eardrums punctured I guess

Strongly disagree. Combat is much better in PoE than any Baldurs Gate expansion, the maps are gorgeous. Subjectively I can't argue against you with stories, but what you're bitching about are anonymous town NPC's that you can run straight past, no problem.

Protip: buy or pirate the original games from GoG (comes free with the EE), and play on a CRT or just with a high res mod on your regular screen.
The EE might have been the perfect way to get these games on the iPad, but the revamped bilinearly scaled graphics look like blurry dogshit

Only if you write it in a pretty poor way then hire a godlike voice actor to salvage it, all the while capitalizing on the fact that you have zero competition because you're the only one holding the licence to make your kind of posts.

What

Baldurs Gate writing sucks, their voice actors are awesome, and they get away with everything because nobody else has the forgotten realms license.

Have you played Baldur's Gate 2?

How does the writing suck? It's bad. I mean It's not Torment quality but it gets the job done.

The only part i hate is fighting mages.
They always start fights with one gorillion spell resistances and you have to memorize which counterspell counters what.

Which game is better, Baldur's Gate 1 or 2? I played a bit of the first, but was a wee bit annoyed that they gave your character a backstory for you.

How is it bad? It's fantasy, if you want to read about some philosophy dilemmas, get a book.

BG2 combat is Catch-22: if you don't know what you're doing it's chaotic and you die in a second, but if you know what you're doing it's piss easy and you one-shot bosses.
This game is only fun on repeated playthroughs with some self-imposed challenges. I never tried playing it ironman style, probably tedious and impossible.

I actually meant to say it's not bad.

1 has better companions and arguably story, 2 has better everything else - quests, combat, locations etc

They give you a typical crpg backstory,
other than being Gorion's pupil nothing is stablished,same as fallout starting with you living in vault 13.

is this actually good or is like PoE or any other Obsidian game that you have to like to be considered a "real" and "smart" videogame player?

No, you can actually enjoy bg.

>that shit guard that won't let you sleep or cast magic in the city

No it's genuinely good. No game gives you such a large amount of content and replayability. Along with the sense of classic fantasy adventure done right. Obsidicucks will deny this but most likely have never even touched a single black isle game.

I can dance on the head of a pin, as well.

The writing is serviceable except sometimes your 10 int character is forced to act like a complete retard sometimes.
This is specially true in throne of bhaal, seriously fuck throne of bhaal.

in all honesty without a single iota of irony or without the feeblest attempt at shitposting or baiting, with complete sincerity and the sole intention of instigating a legitimate discussion, and absolutely no contrarianism involved - looking back BG2 is pretty fucking overrated. in all ways except sheer scope, its a very average CRPG

Name three above average CRPGS or it's bait.

Fallout 2
Arcanum
Tyranny

I must agree, baldur's gate 1 and 2 really lack in reactivity unlike fallout 1 & 2.
It's still a really fun game.

*blocks your pathfinding*

As soon as I saw that nigger, I didn't even mind finishing up the quest and killed her right after the transformation.

>Fallout 2
ok
>Arcanum, Tyranny
no, fuck off

So, having one RPG better than you means you're average now?

>Spend half an hour banging my head against the wall trying to figure out what the fuck I need to do for a specific enemy or fight
>finally work it out and it's actually easy as shit

Arcanum is far better than baldur's gate in everything except the combat though.

Baldur's Gate also has
>better setting
>better companions
>better villain
What does Arcanum have? Better music?

Your average fight with lich on the first playthrough.

great graphics and story

Everyone who claims that BG2 isn't at least one of top 3 WRPGs of all time is factually wrong.

I prefer NWN

I love how the dragon slaying was done in the game.
>getting to the dragon usually involves long, foreboding quest
>none of the dragons are outright hostile, you always get prep time and to attack first
>dragons seem to be the only enemies in the game with working AI and you can't click circle your way through it Starcraft-style
>fights actually feel epic and exhausting with tons of shit flying from both sides, since they're not just elemental pokemons, but masterful magic users

Left or right?

Both are awful

Better role playing.

Right. Always hated the classic female portraits. Everyone looks like a 50 year old roastie. Pretty sure Imoen is supposed to be like 20 something but her portrait makes her look 40.

Right

>it's fantasy so it doesn't have to be good
Genre fiction writer here, get cancer and die.

>better setting
Fuck off.

>Genre fiction writer here
Post your novel fag

>it's only good if you shove philosophy concepts into it

You don't like Forgotten Realms?

>Genre fiction writer here
Joseph is that you? Where's the next video, bitch?

>better setting
Lol forgotten realms.
>better companions
Jesus christ no.
>better villain
Emo elf on a temper-tantrum, only justified in his ire in that everyone else involved in the plot is a short-sighted imbecile? Irenicus' voice actor was great. Irenicus himself sucked.

It's the most generic setting there is, nothing wrong with that but i vastly prefer arcanum's victorian setting.

Left, right doesnt even look like her.

Forgotten Realms is generic but it's also very well realized. Arcanum's setting is completely nonsensical. Sometimes more original doesn't mean better.

I think the fact alone that BG2 manages to keep its level of quality throughout the entire game's length is fucking impressive.

But I also disagree wholeheartedly that any aspect of the game is average. You go through so many different locations, talk to so many different characters, deal with such varied scenarios and you have so fucking many combat options

The only flaw is that you have to play through ToB to get the full conclusion.

>nonsencical
What?
The only reason forgotten realms is more realized is because there are millions of novels set in it and arcanum only has one game.

>The only reason forgotten realms is more realized is because there are millions of novels set in it and arcanum only has one game.
Exactly. It's not even a competition.

>I've never read a decent book in my life so I assume the only possibilities are 'pulpy trash' and 'pretentious drivel'
Bioware writing is garbage tier.

You did the right thing.
Fucking overpowered garbage and for some reason as a good person you're not forced to kill her.
You fucking watch her murder someone you know is mind controlled and you aren't forced to fight her.
Fucking beyond retarded.

Most of those novels are pretty poor, though, and describe a world far more nonsensical and arbitrary than that of Arcanum.

>the only possibilities are 'pulpy trash' and 'pretentious drivel'
That's exactly how you're acting while calling bg2 writing as garbage tier.

No games have good writing. It's a meme

>Baldurs Gate Series
Awesome Music
Colorful locales
Good variety of D&D fantasy creatures both good and evil
Simple but engaging story
Villain isn't a total splerg
Only game where spell system was jacked up to the max and its still fun as fuck
Jacked up RPG mechanics.

>With Imouto Mod
Questionable wincest
Plugs the gaping hole in the story where your kid sister, enduring tons of torture was suddenly chirpy right after
Wincest

9/10.

Sadly, Imoen and MC are just half siblings, which isn't the real deal wincest.

Go back to your /lit/ shed

What are some games with good writing?

>wanting to romance Imoen
>having Imoen in your party, ever, period

Good post.

Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn

Which makes me wonder why mod author didn't change it so they have same mother. He only had one fucking job.

Imoen's actually one of the best characters because she is a slot-saver, its either her or Jan.

Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Duo mage run with Imoen.

The mod would probably be blacklisted or some shit by the community, even with a god-as-father which is no fucking big deal in the Lore Setting it triggered tons of faggots.

I can't enjoy Baldur's Gate, but I can still play and enjoy Fallout, Icewind Dale or Planescape Torment, how can I make myself play it normally?

>I can't enjoy Baldur's Gate
>I can still play and enjoy Icewind Dale
Convince yourself that there can be other decent game devs besides black isle.

Good game, still holds up pretty well even though like everyone else said, the combat is catch 22.

I enjoyed the first Baldurs Gate, but Baldurs Gate 2 seem to get the story going more.

Either way, it's a pc version of AD&D and I like that.

Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer
Neverwinter Nights 2 itself, come to think of it

No, you illiterate little mongoloid.

>there are people that think Icewind Dale was better
>there are people that think NWN2 and expansion were better

BG2 has pretty good writing
Even if the story is pretty forgettable, the actual dialogue between characters is good (ignoring the romance obviously), playing it after reading all the tryhard lore-dumps in PoE felt like a breath of fresh air

>ignoring the romance obviously

>fallout 2
>baldurs gate 2
>planescape
why were old rpgs so good and nu-rpgs are such garbage?

>REEE FUCK ROMANCE! IT'S PANDERING GARBAGE!
>let me make a black race just to pander to diversity
Why is he such a hypocrite?

Mass Effect killed cRPGs.

>let me make a black race
What?

I wish the modding scene wasnt so dead and gay

>Mod maker gives you a multiple romance option.
Actually this is like the only romance mod i know that did this.

read about his thought process beyond the black venetians in PoE

Divinity: OS 2 and ELEX will make RPG great again

I'm on Mellisan right now with a Cleric, a Thief/Mage, and a Sorcerer and I'm getting fucking wrecked. Any tips?

Why would I care?