So I gotta ask because I'm a newfag to the Metal Gear series and the lore itself so I'm sure you guys know better than I but what exactly was the M.O of Big Boss and or Diamond dogs itself? The whole time your capturing top grade soldiers with specialties in tech and mechanics and what have you.
I noticed the diamond dogs tech is far beyond anything in the 80s and even now (idroid) and they built a private military complex in the middle if sea. Was it simply just getting tons of money for mercenary contracts or did they shoot for a higher ideal? I noticed they spoke throughout the game that they were an army without a country or something like that. Did they dream of their own society and culture that wasn't beholden to some bigger government or was ripe for political takeover and subject to meaningless proxy wars that led to nothing but profit for politicians and meaningless conflict?
Hunter Butler
Outer Heaven is a soldier's paradise. Not heaven or hell.
It's a place were soldiers will always have a purpose. Those who can only fight, who only have talent for war, they always have a home in Outer Heaven.
Therefore Outer Heaven wants war for the sake of war.
There's also a deeper plot but that gets into real MGS lore but that's the surface level justification that you seem to be looking for.
Jonathan Hill
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Jace Morgan
The real Big Boss didn't build diamond dogs they were just a diversion until the true outer heaven was built.
Grayson Richardson
Diamond Dogs is just an offshoot of MSF which was the original Outer Heaven.
Gavin Johnson
I see. Some soldiers specialties are only present in time of war. In peacetime they feel lost and without purpose.
Caleb Murphy
Woah....so this is the power of Kojima...
Mason Gray
Outer Heaven in MG1 isn't in the ocean, that's what the real one builds while Venom does diamond dogs.
Nathaniel Parker
>Outer Heaven was built to give soldiers a purpose
Big Boss is a fucking autist. The are some who were forced to pick up arms and join an army, but that's just a minority. People tend to enlist in the military out of patriotism for their beloved country and belief. Building a base in the middle of the ocean with the idea to give soldiers a purpose is just stupid since Big Boss wants war either way. Fucking hypocrite. Venom is more Big Boss than him and he was a medic.
Dominic Lopez
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Joseph Williams
I see. But what was the greater ideal to big boss?
Jordan Wood
Yes but there's more to it. Outer Heaven was envisioned to be an end to the idea that soldiers were pawns for uncaring governments. In a nation for soldiers and by soldiers, with the most advanced military technology, the best trained soldiers, the best intel and surveillance programs, the best military leaders, the soldiers themselves got to decide which wars were worthy fighting and were given the chance to actually make a difference while still feeling like a nation of brothers was truly behind you. It was basically in hopes of preventing a situation like The Boss's death from MGS3 from ever occurring again.
Samuel Morales
>MGS3 >Big Boob is forced to kill his bestie just so the CIA can line their pockets >Big Boob gets angry that he just got used like a tool and fucks off to make a a haven for soldiers >Large Leader creates MSF and expands greatly >Skullface blows it up because he hates Zero and the english language >Massive Medic builds it back up again while the real Large Leader does his own thing and upkeeps Foxhound back in the states >Large Leader is fully jaded and old now. Raising child soldiers is all cool if it keeps war going and gives soldiers a job There you go.
Oliver Reed
Yes, it's an impossible contradiction of terms. He wants patriotism, without nationalism, he wants idealistic soldiers who do not fight fight for ideology. Big Boss contains the contradiction between the romanticization of war and its ugly, destructive, manipulated reality.
Isaac Richardson
Collosal Captain works too
Hudson Gray
The real purpose of Outer Heaven, Zanzibarland and all the other private armies Big Boss created is to fight a shadow war against the Patriots.
You gotta know your MGS lore to understand what that's about.
James Jackson
That's what he's using them for, but that's not his ideals.
Ian Turner
His ideal is "Fuck Zero"
He doesn't care about anything else. Not after MSF, anyway.
Charles Gomez
Where were they getting funding? What was the point of having all those soldiers? Who was their leader?
Lincoln Adams
You're asking about shit based on knowledge of the very last game in the series when all of this is explained in the games that came before it. It is your fault for playing shit in the wrong order, retard.
Lucas Johnson
They get funding by being the best fighting force in the world and getting paid for their services. The point of having the soldiers is to maintain that. The leader is Big Boss.
Oliver Sanders
MGS is so fucking retarded kojima doesnt understand anything about war, politics or even basic human emotions
Colton Foster
Basically this. It's your own fault youre confused in MGSV.
Austin Jenkins
MGS is the story of post-modern samurai who cannot function without war, a filthy Gaijin could never understand
Aiden Brown
white people fighting industrialized wars arent samurais
