Toxicity of a gaming community compared to its average user age

What are your opinions of the average age of a gaming community and it's toxicity. Do you think the average age of a community has something to do with the toxicity to a community, is there a causation? Or does it only have to do with what sort of game we are talking about (compare CS:GO with ETS2 and then compare the player communities).

I know that toxicity is difficult to define, but I'd specify it as how friendly the community is to new players and ideas differing from the meta. All in all how nice and helpful the players are towards each other. A community where no one is friendly to anyone would in that case be very toxic.

My hypothesis is that there exists some value between 10 and 16 which we call "t". When you calculate the absolute value of t minus a players age "a", you would get an estimate on how toxic that person is in average (the lower the value the more toxic). For example: if we say t is 13 and a players age a is 16, we would get the value |13-16| = 3, compared to a person that is 30, |13-30| = 17, in average the person of the age 16 would be more toxic to a community than the person of the age 30.

Why the absolute value? I think very young kids are too naïve to even be able to be that toxic in games, and the older a player is the more mature that person should be (i think) so there would exist less people yelling stuff like "i fucked your mom" or something similar the older the average playerbase is.

What are your thoughts on this? Is my hypothesis complete bullshit and/or do you have a better hypothesis? Do you think there exists no causation at all between the average age of a playerbase compared to the toxicity of the player community?

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Calling something "toxic" when it's not actually poisonous? You may as well just scream "I'M FROM TUMBLR" and be done with it.

This is complete bullshit. The toxicity directly correlates to how competitive and team reliant a game is. ETS2 has no fucking competition whatsoever. There are no winners and losers. CS GO is heavily team reliant and each match has both winners and losers, plus there is gambling to boot. So even if you win at the game, you can still lose at gambling and become salty.

>is there a causation?
No one likes to lose. This is trivial for some and not for others.

I don't see toxicity, I see people using language to communicate freely faggot.

Calling a gaming community toxic is something that can be done without being from tumblr. I've visited the site perhaps twice, yet I use this word.

What would you suggest being a better word for this? Unhelpfullness, unfriendlyness? Bottom line is that you know what I mean by toxic.

Thank you for your input. This would indeed also explain the difference in the playerbase on TF2 compared to CS:GO, even though they're quite similar in a multitude of ways (except for the hardcore competition which is most likely the cause).

>toxicity

This is the proper equation.

(A + B) - C = toxicity

>A = population/amount of userbase
>B = Competitiveness in game
>C = Accessibility of game (ex: High Skill Floor, niche genre type)

>An Indian Poo Powered Computer

Ages 12-22: avoid at all costs

what the fuck is "t"

you didnt even describe how you get a "t" value

tl:dr
kys
gg

No one has to adhere to those academia fillers definitions. But thank you graciously for the fucking clarification of world view. Either way, your question is in itself moot because your topic is under-defined.

Classic case of fpbp

Lol didn't read
What was the topic of this thread again?

Disorder, disorder, disorder.

I tried to define what I meant by toxicity. Read more than the headline before commenting please.

same as above. What would be the correct term to use? So that I can use the correct term in the future.

Concerning C, that would mean that games intended to all gamers, no matter the age, would add to the toxicity of a game. In other words making a specific age as a requirement would lower the toxicity of the community, but the actual age of the players would not matter, as long as it is restricted in some way or another... interesting, thanks for the input!

>I know that toxicity is difficult to define
>Doesn't make it quantitative.


Fuck off with your noise.

>toxicity
How to make me disregard your entire post with 1 word.

That's a very long-winded way to say that teenagers act retarded online. I don't think this surprises anyone.

I didn't. I used t to be 13 as an example. How would I know the actual value, if such a value would even exist? I called it a hypothesis from the get-go for a reason

Banter. Y'know, what everybody used before that one pretentious cuck at Riot tried to impose his thesis on vidya?

OP's autism

it's just the person and the culture of the game. I love shit talking so I don't see myself stopping. I'm not one to fly off the handle like some retards though, I prefer to be the guy saying obnoxious shit to the guy who is already tilted so he goes into over drive.

I like to roast enemy teams though, but that comes from lan days where you'd blast cunts when you style on 'em

for what it's worth im 24

The second reply has a completely different opinion. I discussed this also with a friend of mine who also thought my hypothesis is pure bs, That's why I made this thread to begin with, to get more opinions concerning this matter.

> In other words making a specific age as a requirement would lower the toxicity of the community, but the actual age of the players would not matter
In theory yes, but no one takes age rating seriously. I was thinking more in lines of accessibility within the game itself. For example, I have seen little to no kids acting like shitters on RTS's, but plenty of them on FPS's.

fpbp

I always thought it has more to do with the fact that we have become so used to the internet and communicating with anonymous people that a lot of people forget that they are actually playing with and against other people. I used to play on a lot of LAN parties, not just with friends but with teams of people I didn't know, and I don't think I have ever really be insulted. Back than that was a given, because how can you play effectively as a team if you get into an argument and insult your teammates at the first opportunity you get? From my experience, a lot of people in online games these days don't really understand how playing together works.

But I suppose age also is a factor, all the people I met online who are above or around 30 I've never seen shittalk or act out.

fpbp

i thought "toxicity" was like trolling, IE its as much the group's reaction as it is the "culprit"? if someone whines like a fagot in a team game, but the rest of the team mute them and all remain positive and helpful to one another, then congratulations, you just defeated toxicity. by growing the fuck up and taking charge of your own emotions. trolling and toxicity seems to be primarily a problem among bitches, and bitch games, like LoL.

FPBP yet again. The whole phrase toxicity is bullshit, it just refers to people who suck at games getting shamed by people who don't suck at them.

>toxicity
Stopped reading there friendo, grow a thicker skin.

the riot definition is where it came from and that was like bad behaviour that makes people mad, the mad people then carry the bad behaviour into the next game. So it spreads like toxicity through idk what, im not an analogy wizard, but that's the point of the term.


I think its dumb fwiw but w/e

>It's toxic

Op destroyed.

>le toxic
Its like i am back at reddit

Oh yeah, somehow I didn't think of the fact that people act very differently when playing different games. More or less following that specific games norms and rules.

For example it would actually be impossible to act the way many do in CS:GO in for example chess websites. But then arises the question, how does a game get the amount of banter in the first place. The reply explains quite a bit about this, but there's further research that needs to be done in order to come up with a good theory.

I mean, we have the fact that competitiveness and team reliancy can affect the amount of banter in a community, but at the same time we can see that such games with high competitiveness often have much more you players compare to other games. Then there exist games such as EVE Online where the competitiveness and team reliancy can be raised to a whole different level. However, EVE Online contains a huge amount of banter between the alliances that are at war, yet the whole community is extremely friendly and helpful to new players (eg. eve university) so I don't think the word banter really encompasses what I meant with the word toxic concerning a player community.

For having said that, I don't think your opinion would even have contained that much of insight.

once again, give a better word. Banter is simply not a good word for this since banter can be done in a friendly/joking way.

>BAWWW how dare someone tell me to learn how to play the game
>I just want to be a retard forever
>I'd have more fun playing the game if I knew how but that would bruise my fragile little ego

I can explain Eve online too. Eve online might look like a competitive team based game on the surface, but it's actually at its core a role playing game. You're not strictly competing to be at the top, you're also playing a role. Failure is part of the role.

Eve Online is an extremely unapproachable game for people who aren't in the correct mindset, so any hyper competitive people who can't accept anything but being at the top tend to drop out quickly. Think of Eve as a job simulator. You can't be a raging lunatic just because things aren't going your way because it hurts your future job prospects. The same is not true for games like CS GO.

that sounds intredasting

>toxic
End your life.

There's no such thing as toxicity. Internet newfags never lurked and never learned how to properly deal with trolling or flaming and then Riot came along and offered that fucking retarded system that tells people when they take action against a player that the user reported and gave the entire fucking newfag userbase an addiction to """""justice""""". Not actual justice, it's revenge because they don't give a shit how the person acts on its own, they just project their own experiences on the situation and get their revenge at all costs. You can't even fucking teach these idiots how to deal with it because
>YOU CANT JUST LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT
Newfag internet users are the absolute worst kind of people. They're the people who threaten physical violence at people over the internet because someone said something mean to them. They're the people who don't fucking know how to use ignore functions and instead demand that the developers do something about their problem. They don't fucking understand that if everyone ignores the guy spewing vitriol in chat, he'll either change his behavior or he'll just be ignored by everyone.

God fucking damn I'm pissed.

Nice blog faggot.

it's all banter faggot. if somebody call you a nigger jew who should commit suicide in an Auschwitz gas chamber, it's banter. ESPECIALLY when it's on an online game.

she lost. grow up.

Ah true! Thanks for the insight!

Is it impossible to discuss about something objectively? I am genuinely curious to what can cause toxicity/banter/maliciousness in a games community. Nowhere have I said anything about toxicity/banter/maliciousness is bad or good in a game community.

Your logic as a flawed as saying that someone who studies history and specializes in studying what caused the ancient roman empire to collapse is a pro-ancient roman. Having an interest in A doesn't mean that one supports A or ¬A. Completely idiotic.

Gamers are cancer and censorship is the cure.

Leftists are cancer and Trump is the cure.

Esport type games turn the games from something where play for for fun into something where you play for reasons other than fun
Esport games are designed around small player pools meaning if one play in your overwatch team is shit youve already lost
Becaude overwatch is designed with a very low skill ceiling that maked it very hard to carry your team
And the entire e sport match making infastructure is based around making each match as much of an obligation as possible.

Also esports game balance is alot more turbulent because of consoles, which encourages a seasonal patching because they have to pay $10k + for each console patch which results in MOM SAID IT WAS MY TURN TO BE OP patches instead of small gradual adjustments to get the character perfectly balanced so they dont have to touch the character ever again

Theres so many other reasons why esport focused games breed the toxicity some people i need to fucking make a paper explaining them sometime

its funny to say mean things, and also people say mean things when theyre angry or they say mean things when they shit on the enemy team.

thats the reason it exists

Why put effort into caring or understanding it? If someone wwans to scream their head off or act like a cheeky dickwaffle thats their problem.
If you play competitively then dont play with randoms.

But that would make FNAF and Undertale "safe", which they aren't.

No it wouldn't. The userbase is large and they are extremely accessible games. The only thing they don't have is competitiveness.

I'm fairly certain we have very differing opinions on what toxicity means. And again: I am here to discuss objectively about a thing. How come you can become so frustrated about that? Where have I ever said that we should have an internet police which fines anyone who uses bad words in the internet. What the hell man, if you're going to write that much, at least read more than the headline before making assumptions.

quote from original post: I know that toxicity is difficult to define, but I'd specify it as how friendly the community is to new players and ideas differing from the meta. All in all how nice and helpful the players are towards each other.

telling gg after a game or calling someone a nigger jew who should commit suicide in an Auschwitz gas chamber whether you won or lost is not what I'm trying to discuss about. The "All in all how nice and helpful the players are towards each other." had more to do with how helpful people are to new players (example, In Sup Forums most of the people would only mock and mislead a person new to this site instead of offering sound advice (once again, there exists no "this is good" and "this is bad". I'm only trying to find the hidden variables that determine a game community's stance regarding to what I just explained. All in all my explanation was quite hard to understand and also misleading so you can blame me for that (which you've already done :D))).

age doesnt mean shit. You can be 100 and still be toxic in games. Calling something toxic is a relatively new term in gaming and just about everyone that isn't a nu male faggot that jerks off to trannies thinks its stupid.

fuck off newfag

the point of my post is that toxicity doesnt exist and numale cuckolds like you trying to make a mountain out of a molehill are the ones making online gaming "toxic"

kys

He even explained what he meant to you a second time and you still don't get it? Do you even read his posts or do you just type what you wanted to type in the first place anyways? The OP picked one of the worst places in the internet to discuss a topic objectively, I know, but the fact that you still completely miss his point is just baffling.

I'm simply interested in finding a pattern for such behavior. Is the game the primary cause, is it the average age and so forth. So far the posts that have something interesting to add to the conversation (more or less actually discuss about the subject of this thread) are:

found the Trump cuck

hownew.ru
user's swinging base-tier memes like "numale cuckold", he's clearly trolling.

a thousandth time, the word toxic was misused in this discussion.

how come objective discussion can make so many so butthurt?

And what he means doesn't exist. "Toxicity" with regards to online communities is a nebulous term almost exclusively used by Left-wing ideologues to browbeat the native userbase into being good little cuckolds who toe whatever line the mods/admins set.

Stop samefagging nigger

I don't think he is, none of that sounds like trolling to me, more like someone being hopelessly unable to comprehend written text.

>Toxic
Please, fuck off.

>or calling someone a nigger jew who should commit suicide in an Auschwitz gas chamber whether you won or lost is not what I'm trying to discuss about
But you should because this is the exact kind of person who's more likely to be toxic to new players.

In fact, I'd say that this kind of apathy that you showed is exactly the reason why people are toxic to others. They always go without opposition and without punished so why even change? Especially when you're a white dude so there's no way for others to offend you without offending the whole room.

not everything you dislike is toxic. Toxic refers to behaviors that promote and spread a bad behavior that affect the whole community.
"gg" was never a toxic thing. People that get the mods to delete things they dislike, on the other hand, is totally toxic.

Add D = how much furry pandering the game has.
Alternatively C could go into the negatives.

>Sup Forums tolerates tumblr coming here and calling shit toxic now
>faggots are also using the buzzword toxic unironically
Sup Forums has been claimed to be dead before, now it truly is too far gone.

read the last paragraph of Once again, what I mean by toxicity has nothing to do with any left-wing ideologies. I didn't know the word was imprinted on everyone as being an extremely left-cuckold-antifa-shillary-whatelse term.

"Left-wing ideologues" is a nebulous term. The OP clearly defined toxicity in his initial post. You might have heard the same term in a different context somewhere else on the internet, but that is completely irrelevant to the discussion. He started with a definition of the term so that everyone would be on the same page for the discussion, but somehow that is too hard to grasp for a lot of people and they discuss a completely different definition of toxicity that the OP has not mentioned once.

>boohoo someone said something mean on the internet

you are cancer

That's advanced faggotry now.

You meant that toxicity is a problem, and that's why you're a newfag and need to kill yourself. The most obvious shit is right fucking here
>example, In Sup Forums most of the people would only mock and mislead a person new to this site instead of offering sound advice
So fuck off and die.

What in the ever-loving fuck do your retarded American politics have to do with morality and good sportsmanship?

>how nice people are to nooobs
If you're a noob you should expect to be yelled at. That's how things go so people learn quickly. There's also a mute button if things get too """(((toxic)))"""

Every instance of "muh toxicity" I've seen with regards to videogame communities has come from far left ideologues.

>Mock and mislead a new person
THIS IS WHY NEWFAGS ARE SUPPOSED TO LURK. This is one of the biggest goddamn issues with Sup Forums in general now. Nobody lurks. Nobody tells the newfags to lurk. Everyone just comes here to shitpost.

Did you read the sentence below that?
>once again, there exists no "this is good" and "this is bad"

>go to Detroit
>wassup my niggers?
>what do you mean nigger will make people upset?
>Wait I meant wassup my People of Color, honest
>STAHP
>Why is everyone so butthurt?
I don't even

us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20759295745

You're the cancer. To the point where you're making games objectively worse.

>compared to its average user age
This may be true. I realized that engineering games like Factorio, Space Engineers, etc have an average age of in the 30's and 40's.

ffs. I came here to ask Objectively about player communities overall, I even tried to explain what I meant by the term toxic. It has nothing to do with left-wing ideologies.

I fucking defined what I meant by the term toxic:

"I know that toxicity is difficult to define, but I'd specify it as how friendly the community is to new players and ideas differing from the meta. All in all how nice and helpful the players are towards each other. A community where no one is friendly to anyone would in that case be very toxic."

Can it really be that hard to not to judge a post by its headline and instead read what I mean with the term toxic? I know now that it's a word that makes everyone extremely butthurt, but come on, is a single word really that powerful? This is as ridiculous as leftists getting extremely angry at someone saying nigger. Can't you see guys see that you are behaving as childishly and idiotically as those who are of your polar opposites in the political spectrum?

these must be troll posts

thanks for outing yourself OP

fuck off and die newfag

I don't care if you define it because it's a buzzword with no definition. I can define "toxic" as wanting to suck dick. Now we're at a crossroads because I think you're talking about wanting to suck dick.
>Can you guys see you are behaving as
lurk newfag.

Fuck off yoh data collecting faggot. Go back to whichever master you serve and take it up the ass

so you're saying that you're of the same intellectual level as a nigger in detroit? How can no one else see the fucking amount of irony happening in this thread.

First you say toxicity as defined by the OP is a nebulous term, now you come out and accuse anonymous people on the internet of being far left ideologists when that could mean practically anything.
But I take it you at least understood this thread now.

>people are literally defending this disgusting left wing paternalism where they think it's appropriate to dictate what the people see (bans for "MUH TOXICITY") rather than allowing them choice

Reminder this censorship is tied in with things like the YouTube censorship debacle, the "free speech for banter in online games" debate in these threads, and the PUBG bans for "stream sniping" and "horn honking harassment".

The alt-left, which has taken over the Western games industry almost entirely at this point, are pushing HARD for complete control over what ideas and media you consume and the words and actions you can say and make over the internet. This is one of the most bare-faced conspiracies ever and to just roll over and accept it is pathetic. Gamergate and Trump are the first steps. The next thing we need is a liberty revolution; a new shared understanding of liberty and free speech that is enshrined in the legal systems of the West.

No more bans for "toxicity" or "stream honking". No more arrests for criticizing muslims. No more outright censorship of video games, movies, comics or other entertainment forms.

Fight for your right to speak and think freely, rail against these leftist infested corporate monopolies over your mind, or else we will be stomped on forever by the (((communists))) and political correctness.

>don't have to argue if you just call them trolls

Wrong. If you wanted friendliness you would had said friendliness. That you don't think toxic has connotations doesn't mean you somehow managed to choose the word out of the hundred other words out there, it means you've drank the kool-aid so deeply you don't even know you're swimming in it.

Almost all multiplayer games are now team game, but you have no real connection to your team. It is very easy to blame others without thinking about how you can improve. The games also try to give the impression that the games you are playing actually matter. This could be solved by simply not letting people without a full team into the ranked mode. This would help people get the hint that they are just playing a casual pickup game where the outcome is somewhat out of your control and doesn't really matter. Also, people have learned to become incredibly sensitive. This results in creation of dumb terms like toxic and only amplifies the problem. Some desensitivity training could do everyone a lot of good.

>I don't care if you define it because it's a buzzword with no definition

Sup Forums's logic in a nutshell

>muh censorship
Make your own game and online server if you get so pissy over rules.

In fact, you might want to suicide because the real world has rules too.

>Ignores me defining it myself
Sup Forums in a nutshell

Nice attempt at damage controlling. Take your leftist raid thread elsewhere retard. "Toxicity" is merely and excuse to censor speech in online games and across the internet, and it's defined as "things that disagree with my ideology" by left wing ideologues.

>instead of aligning yourself with the extreme left, align yourself with the extreme right
lol nah dude, I'm just along for the ride, I don't care where it goes.

OP, the problem you made was using toxic as the word. It's a trigger word for Sup Forums. You should've started with something like
>How do we objectively quantitfy shitty fanbases? For example, Kirby's fanbase vs CS:GO?
Using toxic is just an easy way to stir up the Sup Forumstards and shitposters.

>wanting free speech makes you extreme right

Check out this retard!