So how exactly were they planning on getting the bullet out of him to proof the bullet was involved in the DL-6...

So how exactly were they planning on getting the bullet out of him to proof the bullet was involved in the DL-6 incident?

Also Ace Attorney thread I guess.

surgical removal

Better question

Why couldn't he wait until after the statute of limitations had passed to set his plan in motion?

how exactly did they get this fucker on murder again? I remember playing through it and having absolutely no idea what the fuck was going on

Who was the best, Damon Gant or Manfred Von Karma ?

It was the last day anything could happen for DL-6. You're telling me they would have been able to schedule and perform a surgery before the courthouse closed?

With advanced 2016 technology.

this is definitely one of those "hard to remember" cases because it's so long, I recommend you go back and rewatch it

Because the whole point was to get Edgeworth convicted for killing his father.

I would say Gant. He gave off an aura of cool calm cockiness that made me love and hate him at the same time.

Manfred was too distracted with trying to get himself out of suspicion that he had forgotten that they would have to do surgery before the limitation was up and as a result broke down and confessed. I'm sure he thought back on it before he was executed.

Finished DD recently, and it's not bad, there's is no god-tier turnabout, but mostly of them are fun.
Besides that, holy shit, they really stole a lot of shit from Ghost Trick.

But he was going to be convicted for murdering someone else until Phoenix cross examined a fucking parrot.

>stayed awake until like 3 am to watch the stream
>AA4 port that we've known about for months, seiyuu shit and other garbage no one cares about
Fucking hell.

The entire idea is to get the killer to panic and admit it

A lot of the time this is the case

They even parodied it by the literal last resort lying bullshit in Reciple for Turnabout to catch Tigre

Better yet why do anything at all? Von Karma was home free for Gregory's murder until he decided at the last minute that he needed to ruin Edgeworth for no reason.

Did you play the DLC?

Play the DLC, it's really fucking good

well, better than cross examining a piece of wood

>There is no God tier turnabout

I am of the opinion that Turnabout for Tommorrow had the most ape shit dramatic set up in the entire series

Like holy shit they went all out

>for no reason

Manfred didn't care about Gregory
He got shot by a fucking kid and he wants revenge by ruining and dictating his entire life

I suppose the metal detector would be enough proof for the jury.

Shit, mever actually realized this. Despite all PW went through, it still wouldn’t have been enough if von Karma hadn’t dun goofed.

Nope.
>Phoenix used metal detector
>"Sorry, that bullet's from something unrelated. You'll have to prove this bullet is a DL-6 bullet"
>"Oh, well I have the other DL-6 bullet right here. Let's compare them."
>Von Karma freaks the fuck out and admits guilt

>jury
>AA1

are you dumb?

>tfw Ace Attorney Investigations 2 explains exactly why Manfred cares about Gregory a shit ton

He was penalized once due to Gregory in a past case and he was mad as all hell, but I think in the same year if not week the earthquake happened that got Gregory killed

>Phoenix shows Manfred the Fucking evidence

>Phoenix balantly lies to De Killer before realizing what the fuck to do

>Phoenix almost gets raped by Tigre and Armstrong because he talked too much with Viola

>Phoenix just presents evidence he gained from a literal who loli magician

>Phoenix takes a fucking gamble and says the bomb isn't real when everybody else fucks off

Surely Phoenix can't get anymore retar-

>Phoenix tells Queen Gar'an about Dhurke's son

This was explained in AA1.

>Gregory vs von Karma
>von Karma wins but Gregory calls him out on falsifying evidence
>judge gives penalty
>von Karma blacks out for a while
>earthquake happens
>von Karma goes to elevator
>gets shot by young Edgeworth
>power comes back on, elevator opens
>von Karma picks up gun and shoots Gregory

don't forget
>phoenix runs across a literal burning bridge
>phoenix doesn't fuck off when it looks as though a murder can be pinned on him
>phoenix learns about how/why he lost his attorney's badge yet does jack shit to get it back/put a criminal in jail(at least from the beginning)
>adopts a random girl despite being an unemployed adult
oh phoenix....

>Phoenix shows Manfred the Fucking evidence
He knew at that point it was von Karma's handwriting, so yeah. Bad move.

>Phoenix just presents evidence he gained from a literal who loli magician
Lowest point of his career.

>Phoenix takes a fucking gamble and says the bomb isn't real when everybody else fucks off
To be fair, it wasn't real.

>Phoenix tells Queen Gar'an about Dhurke's son
Retarded.

Prosecutor Power Levels

>Literal Gods
Manfred
Fan the Hammer Mother Fucker

>Truth Mother Fucker do you speak it
Edgeworth
Blackquil
Klavier

>Rookie Killing Mother Fuckers
Payne

>Punk ass bitch
Franziska
DeBeste Beta Form
Gaspen

>I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, I'm just here
Godot
Nahyuta

>DeBeste Beta Form
Where's DeBeste Alpha Form on that list?
And don't even say it doesn't exist, since that's literally the form that took down Blaise.

...

Actually, fun fact: Japan removed the statute of limitations for murder a few years ago, including for all past cases which haven't had their statute of limitations date pass yet.

As someone who loves seeing people lose their shit, DD was easily my favourite. Drama and ridiculous shit everywhere, even by AA standards.
That part with athena's memories was 1-4 with ten times the emotional impact.

The only thing I was let down by was Phantom's face-swapping shtick. That sucked. I liked a lot of other things about him. Especially the whole fucking with the mood matrix thing.

I like the idea of the mood matrix getting used on people with mental illnesses and coming out abnormally. Then you look over it again and see what's really out of place when you take their condition into account.

Because he is a petty fuck.

I think the logic is that mightier the swagger, the more skeletons in the closet a person has.

I'd argue that Blackquill is better than Von Karma because he can make cases as stacked against the defense as the old man without needing to rehearse and prepare for every contingency

Blaise should be above Von Karma for two reasons.
1. He was Von Karma's boss.
2. He was the one that started the entire snowball that pushed Von Karma over the edge.

Usually people seem to come down pretty hard on DD's final case while they love SoJ's, but it was the opposite for me. SoJ's was all over the place and while it had some really cool twists and powerful moments, it had an equal share of stupid and trite moments like Nahyuta being a good guy after all, who could've seen that coming?! Or Garan and her "NO U I'M RIGHT UR WRONG *rewrites law* shtick which got old after the first time she did it.

reminder

GK2 > AA3 > AA1 > AA6 > AA2 => AAI > AA5 > AA4

Von Karma killed a man and tried to destroy the life of that man's son over a court penalty and a shoulder wound. He's an unhinged motherfucker, and I'd put the blame solely on him.

wasn't the whole point of using the metal detector because there was no time to wait for a medical procedure?

>spoiler
I see people complaining about this constantly in AA threads, but the only time I remember it happening is as a last-ditch desperation effort at the very end of the case, with all other instances of Ga'ran rewriting laws only being done so the trial could continue rather than to make her arguments legally valid.
>other spoiler
They have now retread Edgeworth's original character arc six times (more if you count Franziska and Godot, which I don't) and Nahyuta is unquestionably the worst execution. The fact that he is in the same game as a character who pulls off the arc pretty well makes it even more painful.

Is DD worth finishing?
I got through case 3, but none of them have really impressed me.
Case 1 was an okay tutorial
Case 2 was pretty annoying with all of the spirit and village tradition stuff. Also the murderer was made apparent from the beginning and I was just waiting for the moment when everyone figured out the asshole character was actually the murderer.
Case 3 was alright, but I thought the murderer was also pretty obvious after a bit and I didn't really care for most of the people introduced.

They're both pretty meh to me. For AA5, the Phantom is the worst main villain in the series and I couldn't give less than a shit about Athena, so the entire case jerking off to her the entire time on top of her backstory just being a copypasta of Edgeworth's makes it underwhelming to me.

For AA6, the investigation portions of the case somehow being the best parts while the court parts are meh. The case ended up being a lot worse for me considering they copied several plot points from past games, but did it worse.

They would need to prove it was the bullet from the same gun with the ballistic marks

Cases 4 and 5 should have been one case, but it's pretty solid, I think twist is good, finish it.

However, I personally find main villain to be actually most disappointing one in all of series.

You also want to finish DLC case. 4-6 is actually DD's main strength.

Case 4 is probably the best case in the base game, but it's also the shortest after the tutorial.

Case 5 is okay. Nowhere near as great as a finale case should be though.

DLC case is very good and the best in the game.

You realize that a lot of shit about Ghost Trick also came from Ace Attorney right? Many of the original character designs from AA served as inspiration for the Ghost Trick characters

I wonder of Von Karma would have shot Gregory anyways even if Edgeworth had never shot him in the first place? Makes me wonder if Karma did it because of the adrenaline or because he was already a crazy murderer from start

>6-3

>Maya tells Nick to pick something up that she left in her bag but to be careful because it's only for her eyes

>Phoenix drops his spaghetti and has the Lady Keera packet spill open on the floor in front of Rayfa

NINCOMPOOP

It's actually a fair thing to say DD stole from Ghost Trick.

Ghost Trick was created by Ace Attorney's original creator years before DD was released. And then DD is released without any input from the original creator of AA.

Shit like this reminds me that time Mia pressured Payne into drinking the poison in the bottle, the prosecutors have all the right to shit on him because the times he wins are because of dumb luck and magic rather than logic, no wonder Edgeworth just stopped giving a fuck after a while

>Apollo and Nahyuta's relationship is a rehash of Wright and Edgeworth's relationship in the first game, but worse

>Paul Atishon kidnapping Maya is a rehash of Engarde kidnapping Maya, but worse

>Ga'ran/Amara relationship is a rehash of Morgan/Misty, but worse

What were they thinking

How dangerous would Courtney be if she was a full time prosecutor?

1-2
>Needs the help of his dead gf and only won because Redd White is a bitch
1-3
>Needs the help of the Prosecution to take down the murderer

>Phoenix Wright is suppose to be consider an Ace Attorney

Gant
Manfred did what he did because of ONE (1) penalty in a case he still won.
At least Gant was trying to cover up the fact that false evidence was used,something that would've absolutely destroyed his career and the legal system in japanifornia

No, actually. Phoenix becoming a true ace attorney is a major part of AA3's story.

>Miles will never fuck the shit out of her and produce the world's greatest attorney

>Jacques Portsman calls everyone 'Jim'
or rather
>Jock Sportsman calls everyone 'Gym'

Probably my favorite pun in the franchise.

Pretty sure she's already /ss/ing John.

First game is our dating, stop pretending

Even AJ is better than AA

>GK3 never ever with this

why even live

At least Maya Kidnapping 2.0 let them do something new with the "Phoenix defends guilty client" concept. Nahyuta and Apollo's "oh btw we knew each other all along LOL" is something I can't remember without rolling my eyes. The absolute worst part is the actual case in the second half of 6-5, the part that wasn't just as many clumsy plot rehashes as they could fit in, was quite good.

AA4 ruined the series, but here's your (You)

In 1 he's still fairly inexperienced

3 is where he comes full circle and surpasses Mia

4 is where he goes Death Note L intelligence tier

>Edgeworth has a kid
>kid wants to be a prosecutor just like him
>some bullshit happens and Edgeworth dies
>kid becomes an evil attorney

Nahyuta's Boogaloo only served to make Apollo and Dhurke's relationship and overall situation better

It sucks that he himself is just a cuck tool that didn't benefit but it was worth it

>Eats a necklace that may or may not have poison in it

Does your enjoyment of a character depend on how OP said character is within the game? I see a lot of tier lists but I wonder if this is ranking their ability as attorneys, how good of a character they are or those two are indistinguishable?

Tl;dr athena a best

I rank based on how good of a charac-

>Tl;dr athena a best

Kill yourself

Current playing through the series and holy shit this without a doubt THE worst case out of the PW games with its only saving grace is Maid Maya.

At Least Big Top had Acro.

Not him, but I think Athena is a great assistant, just a subpar lawyer.

I wouldn't mind AA7 having a big Athena focus to flesh her out more.

Wait until you get to AA4, my man. You'll run into two cases worse than 3-3. In a row.

A bit of both, there are people who like Godot for looking cool but still acknowledge all his fuck ups as a prosecutor, a competent prosecutor is fun to fight against

It has a good ending

I rank villians based on how much "power" they had over the law

You better not be talking shit about Turnabout Corner

I like recipe, it started slow but picked up after the first half

I like Apollo because he's a cynical fuckhead who also kicks ass

Athena's great too,I enjoyed her cases when she surprises everybody with her bullshit thinking

Third cases are almost always the terrible ones or drag too long for their own good

The newer games are the only ones with decent Case 3's starting from AAI2

>Franziska hears the news that her father Manfred killed Miles and then proceeded to ruin his life, and then tried to get Miles convicted of murder for a petty as fuck reason
>Still gets upset at Miles for not "following the Von Karma way"
what a bitch.

*killed Miles's dad

I2-3 wasn't that good, as cool as it is to play as Gregory. The case itself sucked.

>Phoenix Wright is suppose to be consider an Ace Attorney
It's not even called "Ace Attorney" in Japan.

Holy fuck
Phoenix is fucking retarded

>only like one /ss/ pic of John and Courtney in existence and it isn't even that good

>a competent prosecutor is fun to fight against
True, but that's not necessary. What's important is the challenge, which can also come from cheating, or just dumb luck. How many times have I told myself "well, I have everything I need, this is pretty underwhelm-" just before I got my evidence stolen or my autopsy report updated.

>Phoenix almost gets raped by Tigre and Armstrong because he talked too much with Viola
Wait how is this one his fault?

>The case itself sucked.
Nah.
>Captcha: Court one way

No wonder he faked his own suicide, would've been really hard trying to learn what being a prosecutor really is with a whip wielding perfectionist as your sister

iirc he himself introduced a piece of evidence that implicated him in an attempt to bait phoenix and get the evidence throen out, or something along those lines. a piece of evidence that nobody would habe known about unless they were in some way involved in the murder iirc

MY FELLOW KURAINIANS

WE NEED TO BAND TOGETHER

TO FORCE CAPCOM TO LOCALIZE DGS

WHICH I WILL DO WHEN IM ELECTED AS YOUR MAYOR

My problem with Athena is more from the meta aspect in the sense that she was a completely superfluous character nobody asked for that derailed the series even more after AA4 already managed to fuck everything up as is

> the prosecutors have all the right to shit on him
I get that the past couple of games sort of make shit up and then instantly drop said shit to suit the plot and all so it's slightly more obscured than before but the system is too fucking skewed in the prosecution's favor to say that prosecutors have any right to shit on anyone. They're in charge of the investigation, they have free reign over what's in the court record, on top of what's implied with how much leeway they're given when handling witnesses. The reason the protags keep getting superpowers and shit is because they outright need that nonsense just to try to even the playing field here.

Dunno if it's the inner contrarian insisting that the protagonist is always wrong in every game (not just AA) that's popular here nowadays or what that makes people forget this shit.

Why is Athena allowed to preform therapy in the middle of court cases?

Do they need to? He makes a confession after being defeated, yeah?

dark age of the law

It doesn't stop it from being dumb, sometimes I wonder why Nick is still an attorney when he is too dumb to even read Mia's books in the office

Maybe he gets distracted easily.

haha would it be funny if he touched dead mia's boobies haha just for laughs haha