Alliance players kill true patriots for the sake of corrupt nobility and few gold coins

>Alliance players kill true patriots for the sake of corrupt nobility and few gold coins
And this is why I play as a horde

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Edwin literally did nothing wrong.

ERRYONE, GET IN HERE!!!!1 Xd

but he drop ebics

>A free man just doing what he wants
>His viewers and crew mate turns him into cancer
Truly the life that is Edwin

>Get manipulated by a black dragon to ask for a flibbity gazillion gold
>King offers you the original agreed upon amount from his own coffers
>Throw an autistic tantrum and murder thousands in a giant riot, including the queen
>Turn to banditry
>hurr i dindu nuffin wrong!

>King offers you the original agreed upon amount from his own coffers
He didn't, and this is was problem
Varrian literally said "working for alliance is big enough honor, no money for you"
>Get manipulated by a black dragon to ask for a flibbity gazillion gold
Nope, didn't even met her

Onyxia manipulated the council of nobles to offer a paltry sum of gold.
Onyxia manipulated the masons to ask for a ridiculous sum of gold.
Varian tried to meet them in the middle and pay the cost out of his own pockets. Of course, that wasn't enough because black dragon, and the masons turned to violence.

>And this is why I play as a horde
Horde players kills their own heroes and sacking their own cities because bunch of numales say them to do it

>Onyxia manipulated the masons to ask for a ridiculous sum of gold.
Never happened
>Varian tried to meet them in the middle and pay the cost out of his own pockets
Never happened and couldn't happen, Gilneas and other north alliance countries paid for rebuilding of Stormwind, Varrian was just a jew with rage issues

...

Dont listen to this black dragonkin

>Neglects his whole fanbase who made him, despite he being a cancerous turd without charisma and skill
>Waahhhh fuck those people, being their memelord for 6 hours each day is just awful and I'm getting depressed because of that! My fanbase sucks!

He should try getting a real job for a week to realize how much of a cucktard he is

You're confused.
Edwin WAS offered payment but he was one of the few, and he was only offered it because of his influential position with the rest of the masons. Edwin refused on the basis that everyone should be paid, not just the higher ups. But the generally idea among the nobles was that these lowly workers should be happy to contribute to the City, and the honor alone was payment enough.
They were starving, a lot of their homes were destroyed and now Stormwind wasn't paying them for their work and resources, so they rebelled. ...and Stormwind killed them. But remember guys, the Alliance are totally the good guys.

Elves of every flavor are pretty fucked up too, almost every problem Azeroth has right now is directly a consequence of the highborne.

You kill the queen you are gonna have a bad time

>Start playing WoW again in WoD
>See a cool set of shoulders
>Google what they are
>Garrosh shoulders
>"who the fuck is that"
>Finally read some actual WoW lore
>Garrosh is a pretty cool dude
>Wonder why there is a raid where we(the Horde) have to fight him
>Blizzard then kills his character a month later when the new Xpan came out
Fuck you Blizzard

Blizzard likes to kill any popular character by putting them into a bad light first so they won't be missed

Watch Jaina and Sylvanas being killed after doing stupid shit

>Nobles oppress the people
>Staving and desperate people riot because they're staving and desperate
>Queen is killed by a thrown rock.
>Wow guys, this legitimizes everything we've done up till now. Kill them all.

The King and Queen weren't exactly helping, I bet that they got three hot meals a day while all the workers were making literally mud stew to try and not starve to death. Fucking Stormwind, man.

Just like every other streamer.

Thrall is guilty for everything Garrosh did.

>Garrosh you're now warchief
>But I don't want to be warchief, I'm just a warrior
>Don't worry, I'll help
>Thralls leaves
>The rest of the Horde resent him
>Garrosh acts like a warrior instead of a leader
>Thrall comes back, holy shit man what are you doing. kills him

>the absolute state of alliance players

>A promising character killed off via bad character development and equally bad writing and plot development.

And Thrall is mainly to blame. The other characters simply contributed fuel to the fire.

Enjoy playing with underage banned LoL players and PUBG rejects, faggot

Compared to the Horde which has been run by literal Orc Hitler and Lich King 2.0 sure

Garrosh did have his share of the blame but yeah Thrall ditching the responsibility of Warchief on him right after the fucking CATACLYSM when everything was in a horrid state was kind of shitty

False equivalence
If I kick a puppy but you rape a baby, that doesn't suddenly mean that I'm the good guy outta us two. It just means that we're both dicks but one is a bigger dick. Horde and Alliance both have their own troubles, I'd side with the Horde though because I can see them being isolationists, however the Alliance will always be meddling cunts.

I'd rather have a real job over streaming a steaming pile of shit like Hearthstone for 6+ hours a day desu

Actually, the stone masons guild also asked for a ridiculous sum and the nobles themselves offered them a ridiculously low sum. Varian did try to meet them in the middle, and then when he wife went to calm down the rioters they unironically killed her.
This was at a time when Stormwind literally had no money, and the masons knew that.

Stonetalon Mountains in Cataclysm was one the best quest series for Horde.

>promising character
He was garbage since bc
Making him more or less likeable in cata was a mistake because people would forget 2 expacks of him being pansy bitch and annoying faggot who didn't cared about horde.
His development in precata books(during ashenvale invasion) was garbage too with "Victory or death, wait king of alliance is stronger so I run away while you fight"
The only wrong part about killing him was the fact that Thrall did it and felt bad, Varrian or Baine would make more sense, at least I heard that in one of books it's mentioned that Baine did the job in the alternative universe right after clearing his capital from the grim totem.
Generally only Jaina is worse character than him

>Actually, the stone masons guild also asked for a ridiculous sum and the nobles themselves offered them a ridiculously low sum. Varian did try to meet them in the middle
Stop with your headcanon
>This was at a time when Stormwind literally had no money, and the masons knew that.
North alliance paid for rebuilding and this is why Gilnes left

I suppose you can view it like that but its kind of a larger distance from scamming some masons vs someone who wants to kill everyone or someone who wants to turn everyone into fucking zombies

Pls source
This information
Is what I learned from actually reading the quest logs in-game, I've never heard of any money being offered other than to a few high-ups.

>Thrall was a mentor and a father-figure to Garrosh
Stopped reading there
Garrosh is alot older than Thrall

Don't worry.

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Where the fuck is that from? I refuse to believe Blizzard has the self awareness needed to make this.

>Scamming some masons
>Half the city is destroyed, so the masons pull all their resources and time into rebuilding. They bankrupt themselves and when they ask for payment, the nobles go lolno. They're staving and a lot are still homeless, so they riot. Stormwind brands them traitors and kills them. The effects of this treatment is still seen generations later, (their children's children) with the area just outside the city being so poor that they have to eat dirt. All because they wanted to be paid for their work and not starve.

Only one is true

tfw old forsen is dead and gone

>The rest of the Horde resent him
Maybe if he didn't cheated in duel with respected tauren leader.
Maybe if he didn't threaten to kill every friend of this respected tauren leader before it
Maybe if he didn't send assassins after troll leader
Maybe if he actually had balls to fight alliance instead of running away everytime things didn't go his way
Maybe if he didn't tried to use forsaken as a cannon fodder

I don't think that matters even if it was true.
Emotional maturity would be the only thing noteworthy.

Nah he's just sick of Hearthshit.
PUBG isn't much better but the stream-snipers have made it some of the best streams i've ever seen

>be horde
>do stupid evil shit
>cry when alliance fights back

>He's a blunt instrument that can't do anything but fight.
>He admits this and says he doesn't want to be warchief
>Is forced to be warchief
>Fucks it up big time

I am le shocked
Its like saying you can't play an instrument or sing but being forced into a band. You're going to make a big fucking mess, and as much as I value personal responsibility. The person who forced you there is to blame.

more like edwin vanqueef amirite

>Be you
>Be fucking stupid
>Think Edwin has anything to do with the Horde

It's actually ALWAYS other way around
>Alliance invades all horde starting zones in vanilla
>Alliance sends war machines and instructors to the south shores and provokes them to attack forsaken
>Alliance literally backstabs horde during northrend siege and attacks their fleet(and gets rekt)
>Alliance and Jaina invades barrens during cata
>Alliance sends farmers to the andoral and tries to take if from the true lordaeron citizens
>Alliance backstabs horde in the legion, because your petty issues are more important than fight againse demons
And many other cases like literally all bg

>After the city's reconstruction was finished, the House of Nobles, under the influence of Katrana Prestor refused to adequately pay, with the House of Nobles only offering meager compensation while the Stonemasons continued to demand extravagant sums. Though the Stonemasons were compensated for their work, they received only a fraction of the pay they felt they had earned. Edwin spoke out, demanding restitution for their works. In response, the Stormwind House of Nobles ordered the Stonemasons' Guild disbanded, which, understandably, angered VanCleef.[4] And so Edwin VanCleef and the Stonemasons set to rioting in the streets of Stormwind while they escaped the city.[4] The riot was dangerous and chaotic and in the confusion, Varian's young queen, Tiffin, was brutally murdered. Edwin VanCleef fled Stormwind with the Stonemasons and formed the Defias Brotherhood.
>However, the guild did have some noble family supporters, such as Tiffin Wrynn or Count Erlgadin and his son S. J. Erlgadin.
I was always under the impression Varian offered money from his own coffers but I can't seem to find it. And I was almost certain through text quest Alex Barastone or whatever his name is made it clear the guild purposefully ran up costs.

Heroes of the Storm aka the blizz game with the best devs, doing whatever the fuck they feel like.

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I like how nobody ever brings up the civilians from Theramore that Garrosh put into an arena to kill each other.

LFM VC 18+

Lol!

DM > VC

>put into an arena to kill each other.
Never happened
And despite me not liking Garrosh, just compare
>Garrosh literally waited 3 days and didn't bother to stop Jaina evacuating civilians(mostly because he waited main bulk of alliance forces)
>Jaina and alliance waited until all warriors will left for the hunt and started terror bombings at night killing as many civilians as possible, and claimed it as a glorious alliance victory
>vc
It's dm, wotlk kid

to be fair Voljin basically threatened to kill him early on after Thrall was like "Nah man its cool that I make you warchief, my pals will totally help you out"

he also didn't knowingly cheat in that tauren duel. That was some twilight cultist shit if I recall right, but yeah things eventually spiraled out of control with Garrosh going apeshit on anyone

As for the forsaken, they are being run by psychotic nutjobs who have betrayed both factions more than once so fuck em

To be fair, the Horde had gladiator slave matches even back when Thrall was the warchief, it's literally part of Varian's story.
You'd think Thrall would be against that shit since he was formerly one, but hypocrisy thy name is orc.

>The tavern keep is pinned to the wall with arrows and used as target practice in SoO.
Garrosh just needed child soldiers at this point, though I understand its because of Blizzards bad writing more than anything. I was hoping personally that Garrosh wouldn't be a retard, or a mustache twirling villain, but rather someone that came to grow in to an important leader.

WC>DM

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>>Maybe if he didn't tried to use forsaken as a cannon fodder
I mean that just makes sense.

>Muh taurajao!! he says despite fact the forsaken are literally plaguing it up, up north
>Even though the Alliance leader purposefully made a line so the soldiers could escape
>Jaina and alliance waited
That was a single solitary Alliance captain under his own jurisdiction, in charge of a penal unit.

Man. These tiny regional conflicts were way better than the nonstop barrage of intergalactic scifi high magic shit we've had in WoW lately. Don't get me wrong, some of that is nice but it'd be nice to have some storylines that are more relateable like the Stormwind/Defias brotherhood or regional conflicts in general like we had in vanilla.

garrosh has been around since TBC and he was a main character in WotLK and cata and panda
are you saying you only played in vanilla or something you little homo

>Maybe if he didn't cheated in duel with respected tauren leader.
You mean the duel in which Grimtotem poisoned his weapon without his knowledge and he got fucking furious at her when he figured it out?
>Maybe if he didn't threaten to kill every friend of this respected tauren leader before it
Eh?
>Maybe if he didn't send assassins after troll leader
The troll leader ACTIVELY. FUCKING. REBELLING. AGAINST HIM.
>Maybe if he actually had balls to fight alliance instead of running away everytime things
didn't go his way
Again, what?
>Maybe if he didn't tried to use forsaken as a cannon fodder
The Forsaken are essentially cannon fodder. Sylvanas began raising people in large droves to shore her ranks.

>despite the fact that the Forsaken are literally plaguing it up
Well if we're going for the "it was just X" angle that's literally the one race that even the Horde despise.

A line the should be good for all Garrosh fanboys who ploughed through Stonetalon mountains.

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I remember reading a story about how Garrosh was written by someone who worked for Metzen and due to miscommunication the writer accidently portrayed Garrosh as a relateable and honorable past his brutish and aggresive style of leadership and that this was rectified by Metzen punitively trying to paint Garrosh as a cartoon villain cause he couldn't stand it.

Anyone else hear that?

from beta to two months into TBC, I quit and came back when Pandas was ending.

Yeah that actually happened. I don't understand why they didn't run with the rough but honorable Warchief thing. Instead we got Garrosh, who even in his blindest of rages was never truly a complete fucking idiot, ignoring the parallels between his fathers greatest mistake and his current actions. Parallels so fucking obvious a random fucking panda cunt who has only known him for 5 minutes can see it.

>Muh taurajao!! he says despite fact the forsaken are literally plaguing it up, up north
They tried once and decided to never do again because clearing is too much trouble
And in southshore they killed warriors, not just civilians
>Even though the Alliance leader purposefully made a line so the soldiers could escape
Did you forget that alliance tried to do with him? Tribunal and execution for the treason, horde got to him first.
>and he got fucking furious at her when he figured it out?
Furious usually doesn't mean I will sit and do nothing and wouldn't even care about her walking in the horde lands
And news for you, people don't care "I didn't know", literally worse excuse ever
>Eh?
Cairne challenged him to duel because many druids including Hamul were killed or seriously wounded. Garrosh just few days before says that he will personally kill them if they go to the druid meeting
>The troll leader ACTIVELY. FUCKING. REBELLING. AGAINST HIM.
Did nothing until assassination
>Again, what?
Ashenvale, theramore, durotar
All his book charictization is about him running away from the alliance king while leaving his forces to die
Who would follow such leader?
>The Forsaken are essentially cannon fodder
They aren't
>Sylvanas began raising people in large droves to shore her ranks.
She did it because they would die out otherwise

>He thinks we're going to forget what happened in Icecrown when Garrosh ordered orcish troops to massacre the Alliance when they were fighting the scourge
The Horde has done massive amounts of dumb shit, I don't normally favour one faction but neo-Horde players are turning in to literal DINDU NUFFINS HE WUZ A GUD BOY!

>when Garrosh ordered orcish troops to massacre the Alliance when they were fighting the scourge
Never happened
Garrosh literally killed this orc for it
Can you say the same about alliance killing Varrian because him ordering attack on the horde fleet during their battle with scourge? No
Because alliance has no honor

>Did you forget that alliance tried to do with him?
I try not to go to heavy on the facts because nuHorde get triggered. At the oldfaggots appreciated the Horde wasn't perfect and owned it.

>Literally worse excuse ever
Except it's not an excuse. Garrosh literally had no idea what was going on. Grimtotem is still around because of shitty writing, if Garrosh not killing her is such a crime what the fuck do you call BAINE not killing her?
>Hamul
You mean the druids who were actively calling for his head for something Garrosh didn't do? Garrosh told Cairne not to associate with people who wanted him dead. Cairne was going to do it anyway. Real big crime there.
>Did nothing until assassination
>Literally states he'll be there laughing as Garrosh dies from a blade in his back
>They aren't
Yeah, they fucking are. Syl did it to stop them from dying, that is correct, but she's making a new army with her Valk's and they are literally cannon fodder. It's why the recruiters shrug it off if people refuse to join you, there are MORE to be raised.

>Ordered
He told Saurfang he should hit the Alliance when they're distracted. Saurfang called him out on acting dishonorably. Garrosh shut the fuck up because Saurfang was his mentor. It's not about "dindu nuffin" because Garrosh was a guilty character. It's just arguing against the idea that every single fucking action was pure guilt and he had no redeeming qualities. That's bullshit.

>The Alliance soon launched its own assault on one of the region's first obstacles: Mord'rethar: The Death Gate. Though both factions sought to seize the strategic fortification, the Alliance ultimately struck first, engaging the undead horde manning it.[32] A large Horde reconnaissance party, however, spotted the Alliance force and proceeded to attack it from behind, surprising them and succeeding in breaking up some of their formation. The action served only to leave both sides open to the considerable Scourge army on the Broken Front.
Nope.

>Garrosh literally had no idea what was going on.
Again, do you actually think that anyone would care?
>I didn't knew gun was loaded so I should get away with killing this child, lol
Fucking Garrosh apologists
>what the fuck do you call BAINE not killing her?
His people, his decision
>You mean the druids who were actively calling for his head for something Garrosh didn't do
Never happened

You are too high level for that and the setting turned high fantasy

Is this in a book or some shit? Source?

dark/low fantasy is almost always better than high fantasy because it's more realistic but not realistic enough to be boring

Yes, and Garrosh killed guy who did it

He has an army of warrior who don't need food, water, sleep, can literally fight forever as long as they aren't killed, and loyal enough to fight and die in your name.
Send them into a fucking killgate hoping that the enemy runs out of ammo before you run out of the 2nd smallest populated race under your leadership.
Sylvanas was right to tell him to go fuck himself, Garry is the Zap Brannigan of the Horde.

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>Again do you actually think that anyone would care?
I mean, yeah. That's why a handful of characters don't hold it against him, like Nazgrim.
>His people, his decision
Grimtotem aren't his people.
>Twilight Cultists kill druids
>Frame Garrosh
>Elves then withdraw and leave Garrosh without wood while trying to repair orgrimmar
This is shit that actually happened.

the more realistic it is the better
fantasy is overdone and bland

I think you're confusing it with the time they blew up those druid children.

>he says this unironically even though a horde warchief was the final boss of an expansion because he wanted to make orcs great again

>Loyal enough
Stopped reading there. The Forsaken are loyal only to Sylvanas and most of them hate every living thing with a comical passion. There is almost no opposition in the Forsaken ranks against the use of the plague, which is the same horrible shit which KILLED most of the original Forsaken.

Nope, alliance baby just too afraid to post it fully
> Although the Horde commander in Icecrown, Sky-Reaver Korm Blackscar, notably praised the actions of the patrol (having undermined the Alliance war effort), he was later reprimanded and threatened with execution by Warchief Thrall and Warsong commander Garrosh Hellscream.

Thats not a source

>he was later reprimanded and threatened with execution
So, nothing, basically. He was told "not to do it again."

>I mean, yeah. That's why a handful of characters don't hold it against him, like Nazgrim.
My sides. Cata book literally said that Baine and other horde leaders decided to let it go just to not ruin horde. Only because of that.
>Grimtotem aren't his people.
He leader of thunder buff and all tribes live here
>Frame Garrosh
Went easy just because Garrosh couldn't shut up even for second about wanting to kill his allies

Again, no one said a word to Varrian for backstabbing horde and losing half of his fleet in the process
Really shows difference between horde and alliance
Just like taurajo where alliance killed and bombed civilians and theramore where horde killed actual soldiers

>What is wowpedia.
>wow.gamepedia.com/Defias_Brotherhood
>wow.gamepedia.com/Stonemasons_Guild
>wow.gamepedia.com/Edwin_VanCleef

Yeah because this post is riddles with facts, no wait... You're just being a dick.

>b-but we're fighting the nobilitys corruption from within!

>Just like taurajo where alliance killed and bombed
>Opened up a gap to allow the civilians to escape, who ran off in to the green part of cata southern barrens and were consequently part of a questline
>Only people who died were those who stayed behind to fight
>Literally states this
>Varian (read: Alliance commander that was abandoned and allowed to be killed)
>Forgets that the leader of the taurajo raid was going to be executed by the Alliance
Hmm.

>Posting a wiki
Hold on till I edit it myself saying that you're a fag and you got buttfucked by Edwin at the end of the 15th expansion, aptly named 'The Violation of the Nigger-Faggot"

>Cata book
Source?
>Let it go just to not ruin the Horde
Yeah, bullshit. Not even Vol'jin blamed him for Cairne's death, and Vol'jin fucking HATED him.
>All the tribes live here
Except most of the Grimtotem who took Thunder Bluff in the confusion and had to be driven out
>Went easy just because Garrosh couldn't shut up for a second
Actually it was because Magatha was the only person that openly said she supported Garrosh as warchief and offered to bless his fucking weapon for the duel. He thought she was a shaman.

>Opened up a gap
You mean that one guy who was by no means the entire force sent to slaughter Tarajo? How kind.
>Only people who died were those who stayed behind to fight
Or couldn't run away. I'll throw back the "literally states this" right to you.