Why was he the best character?

Why was he the best character?

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I honestly felt Ignis was extremely one note in his DLC. Made him fell flat and shallow. No conflict nor anything, just blind devotion bordering on fanatism.
There's very little done with him there.

The food. But real talk Prompto's skills were so good

he's like your mom and friend at the same time

>blind devotion
kek

But now that you mention it, I do see your point. Hearing him tell Ardyn that he didn't give a fuck about the world felt out of left field. I guess the devs were a bit too inspired by 9S going nuclear in N:A.

I mean he went nuclear because he found out that noctis had to die to save the world, it's not told anywhere else, just that they go to the crystal and use its power in the prophecy. I'd go nuclear if I just found out my lifelong friend had to be nothing more than a lamb on the altar.

Oh yeah, one other thing. The whole fight between ardyn and the crystal is petty as shit, no point in needing to sacrifice notcis in the first place.

But it still feels like he went way too far. If Noct's life wasn't in danger, he made it clear he'd be fine Ardyn dragging the entire world to hell. It's not like he doesn't have other friends, and until Ep Ignis he seemed like a guy with a good head on his shoulders. Compare that to 9S, who had nothing or no one and grew mentally unstable because of that.

The other user is right about the fanaticism. There should have been hints beforehand about Iggy not being quite right in the head.

>The whole fight between ardyn and the crystal is petty as shit
Yeah, but when you've been immortal for what, 1000 years? And you see how a dynasty forms from something that was taken from you can you blame him?
He says so himself, he doesn't want to have his revenge on Noctis himself, the boy is merely a conduit to ending that lineage.

It's really odd because it conflicts with his character everywhere else (It also doesn't help that it feels like they went a bit with the shipping angle, what with the "I don't want to die without him" and all), he's always been a pragmatic person. The only way I can see it is that it caught him completely off guard and he's still digesting the information. He just realised all the work he put into grooming Noctis was not so he could be a King among Kings, but a human sacrifice.
But he's still odd about it, that "you can let the world burn for what I care" line I feel doesn't fit.

fine with* Ardyn.

Also, "not right in the head" probably isn't the best expression, but I would have never pegged Ignis to be that cold and nihilistic.

>a bit
They went hard as fuck on the shipping angle ("I won't let you take him away!"). It was almost a Homura-tier obsession with a single person.

BTW, letting the world burn is an AT line, right? Main timeline Ignis is more in character.

It seriously annoys me because I absolutely love Ignis but playing the DLC I can't see him as anything other than bland in that.

Maybe it makes more sense if you've seen the anime? I havent, so I only know Iggy's character from the game.

It feels like they're trying to appeal to the fanbase so hard because they have no faith in the game.

iktf. I only came back to XV just so I could play his episode.

At the very least they could have added to his background to make it more obvious why he is the way he is. As far as I know the poor guy never even had a family, so that's already a red flag. Unfortunately none of the DLC episodes seem to be good for characterization.

Because the game had no good characters

You're not missing much. His episode in the anime doesn't tell us much about his character at all, only that he's stressed over teenage Noctis being a brat and the worsening political climate.

Prompto was okay

You could at least see Prompto's make a bit of an attempt, with he coming to terms with his past, he had an internal conflict and stuff, but yeah, you can tell they're pretty much half baked, and even then I'd go so far as to say Episode Ignis is one of the best parts of XV, with all the problems I have with it.

I get the feeling the DLCs were made with the price tag in mind. And it worries me for the next batch we're getting this year.

>but a human sacrifice

Wait, then why is Ignis fine when Noctis sacrifices himself in the base game but totally lose his shit in the DLC episode? He does realize the gods were basically screwing Noct over the same way Ardyn planned to?

I thought I'd hate that skinny fuck, but he ended up being my favorite. I found him fruitlessly trying to lighten the mood during the second half where the whole party is in shambles with Iggy being blind and Gladio and Noct being at each other's throats to be pretty relatable.

The first time you camp after you get off the train and he just meekly asks Noct if he wants to see some of the pictures he took and Noct just blows him off hit me a good bit.

>His episode
You mean there's only one centred on him? I suppose I overestimated the length of the anime.
Thinking about it, maybe the problem is the English translation? I heard the German one was better.

Yeah, there's only 5 episodes, 1 of which that is only there to establish its small setting.

>Translation
Doubtful. There really isn't much at all in that episode. In fact the actual conflict lasts less than 3 minutes, most of which are spent on Noct yelling about how he's angry his dad is dying. Ignis tries to reason with him but soon just ends up leaving.

I suppose he had time to accept it after the ten years. I think the ending scene of the DLC offers a nice explanation when he offers Noctis to abandon his responsibility, but Noct refuses. He sees they can't run from that so he tries to come to terms with it.
Some user said that there are hints in the game Ignis tried to look for a way to prevent his friend's demise. It could be interesting to look into that.

I'm still puzzled by all this. Who would ever think taking something's story and splitting it across multiple media was a good idea? The whole idea of the 'FFXV Universe' was a disaster waiting to happen.

because there is no competition despite him being the generic butler
>Gladio talking about how much he respects the royal line constantly while he fucking MANHANDLES the current king over stupid shit like in the Titan sequence
>Prompto tries to be the uh "cute pet party member" but is comes off more as obnoxious
>Noctis is a whiny prince. This is his entire character and it literally does not advance from it except in the ending campfire scene

He's not fine with it at all. As pointed out, he outright offered Noctis that they should abandon the whole quest, their country, their friends, etc. and just leave. There are also multiple hints he never really accepted it, to the point he went half into denial.
>during Noct's 10 year imprisonment Gladio and Prompto moved on and found a life for themselves; meanwhile, Ignis kept searching the Lucis Caelum tombs with only Talcott for company, looking for something he apparently never found
>there's a dialogue in Insomnia where Noctis guesses where his thoughts are going and clearly doesn't like it ("Noct, once this is all over-" "Don't. Take it one step at a time, okay?" "...Alright.")
>his "please be safe" plea on the Citadel steps; it's pure desperation and denial at that point

And Ignis has always been extremely attached to him. During their private tours, Noctis himself points out that "you were always all about me"; they joke that Ignis made him into his hobby, but they both know there's some serious fixation there. His last words when KO'd also tend to be "Noct" and such, which makes sense, considering the whole "I don't want to die without him" in the EI bad ending.

Don't die on me.

>His last words when KO'd also tend to be "Noct"
I always took this as him expressing regret for failing to fulfil his duty.

>Gladio and Prompto moved on and found a life for themselves meanwhile, Ignis kept searching the Lucis Caelum tombs with only Talcott for company, looking for something he apparently never found
Really? I never saw this.

Noctis' whole shtick is that he never whines, actually. It's the reason why Gladio, Prompto and others misread him so much often: he's either distant and unreachable (allowing others to project his thoughts and frustrations on him) or pretending everything is fine.

As for Gladio, the guy just doesn't take fear and uncertainty well. And since Noctis is the one who is supposed to give him stability and is usually the most rough and resilient of the group, he becomes the lightning rod for Gladio's frustrations.

That begs the question of just why is Ignis so fixated on Noct. I seriously doubt it's a romantic interest. Maybe it's because he's an orphan (if he's not he just gives that impression for some reason) and Noctis and Regis were his shot at being part of a family?

Talk to Talcott and watch their conversations around the Hammerhead. The group had apparently gone their separate ways during Noctis' absence and were rarely seen together anymore. Gladio had found himself a steady girlfriend, Prompto made himself useful hunting demons and helping around, and Ignis fixated on solitary tomb raiding.

This also contrasts with Verse 2 credits, where Ignis is shown getting proactive instead of depressed.

He's not an orphan; in the prologue novella he and Noctis talk with Ignis' uncle and it's a pleasant, casual talk. They're not very close, but it seems to be an okay relationship.

I think for Ignis, Noctis just gradually became his everything, both in the romantic sense and the rest. They were together most of their lives, lived together through all the gloom and shitiness of the dying Lucis Caelum dynasty, Ignis nearly lost Noctis twice as a little kid (to Marilith and then the Tenebrae assassination attempt), etc. They practically grew around each other. Hell, even Prompto's photos show their relationship to be different from the rest. The rest of the group poses and clowns around; Ignis and Noctis hug and get comfortable.

>Verse 2
You mean the alternate timeline of EI, right?
Makes you think what will become of Ignis after the credits roll in the main ending.

Because he was willing to pay the sacrifice.

The alt fight is just them basically pressing snooze on the prophecy. Ardyn would still be able to come back in the alt end, they just delayed it.

That's pretty fucking gay.

Because he's loyal, like Tom in the Godfather.

So what you're saying is that Ignis basically became this fucker, just slightly less insane.

ignis mentions he wants to open up a resturant during chapter 14.

literally how

>purely get into cooking because it's part of your job, but have no personal interest
>end up opening a restaurant
How

IIRC Gladio also has poses where he wraps his arm around Noctis' neck.
Not to shit on your theory, it's interesting, but I got the feel they saw each other as basically brothers.

It's either that or an hero yourself, like he tells Noctis in his DLC.
>You won't be going alone, I'll-

gonna need some context

Woah, shit. I took it as he accompanying Noct up to his final moments, not that he would kill himself to be with him.

IIRC only Noctis and Gladio's relationship is described as truly brotherly. Going by Ignis' DLC, he was groomed to be like Noctis' brother, but then he went full Heaven's Feel and basically tossed away Regis' role for him (he was supposed to help Noctis save the world, not burn the world to save him).

Gladio is the only well-adjusted character in this game.

Even Prompto is more well adjusted than him, Gladio is borderline autistic, getting angry at Noctis for mourning or being sad for the death of his loved ones, and constantly shouting at him for it.

The Jap version makes it more obvious through Noctis' answer.
>You must have something (else) to live for, don't you?
Ignis' real intention was to die with him. It wasn't something they could've discussed with the other two around, though.

Ignis is definitely Homura.

That's something that should have gotten more spotlight than an optional line while exploring.

To be fair, their whole situation was really fucked up and nobody knew how to handle it well. I really like one dialogue where Gladio gets all creeped out and frustrated by Noct's summoning and Noctis wearily replies "You've been around me for years and you still aren't used to it?".
There's no way to be well-adjusted around him. Prompto comes across as the most normal because he was spared all the crazy of the Caelum court.

The royal bloodline is really fucked up when you think about it. Hell the whole world is a mess. I wish the game had at least a Codex like XIII had so I could read up on it.

Ardyn ironically feels like the most sane man of them all, with how shitty everything is I can't blame him for wanting to end the line, get rid of the Crystal and say fuck you to the gods. As petty as he is, they are colossal assholes.

There are hints. When he and Gladio are looking for Noctis in Zegnatus, he gets increasingly frantic, culminating with "If anything happens to him, I'll-!" (not that there's much to worry about; even poisoned and depowered, Noctis is still hard to kill). The Homura comparison is pretty accurate.

Would the story be better if it was played in Prompt's perspective instead of Noct's?

It should go from Ignis' perspective, all things considered, with an unlockable mode with Ardyn's view on things.
Prompto is rather a side character for the main plot.

Cooking is his hobby.

This thread actually made me depressed for the night. Thanks Sup Forums.

Why tho

Prompto doesn't understand shit about what's going on, so no. Gotta love the difference in perspective:
>Prompto (in a dark dungeon): Bring out your shiny sword!
>Noctis: What 'shiny sword'?
>Prompto: One of those fancy ones!
>Noctis: (sigh) You know...
>Ignis: The power of kings, reduced to a torch.
It's funny until you realize that for Prompto, Noctis' ancestral weapons are just pretty magic tricks. For Noctis, they literally eat his life.

Just the talk about suicide and being obsessed with a person that's out of your life and having nothing to live for anymore. I'm just going through some shit right now irl.

Anyways, thanks for reading my blog.

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It was a nice detail when the tables turn, Prompto expresses concern for the MTs they've been killing which Noctis doesn't understand since he sees them as just robots, to which Prompto answers with a "Yeah, right".

For some reason I thought that was a Tommy Wiseau edit of Wojack. Fuck me, I'm blind.

I see. Not to the same degree but it's also upsetting to me to learn how what seemed like an upstanding person with his priorities set straight is an extremely depressed and obsessed individual in reality.
I don't know what you're dealing with, but I sincerely hope you manage, try to go step by step if applicable. I'd read your blog anytime.

It's a shame that it's only in a limited time only DLC and not the actual game.

Disregard what shills/people with shit taste about anything positive regarding FFXV. Avoid it like the plague.

Calm your tits, no one is telling you to buy it.

Exactly. I didn't think I'd relate to a character this hard.
and thank you very much user.

FFXV is full of jarring design choices. I don't know what they're thinking.

The entire game is just a jarring design choice. Tabata was clueless.

It's there in the main game too. Noctis and Ignis call them "buckets of bolts". Besides, there's nothing human left about MTs. There's no point in feeling sorry for them; they are lost causes just like the daemons.

Even if they're a lost cause that doesn't mean you can't lament the loss of life. It's still tragic.
And Episode Prompto actually tells you that they take a huge effort to make sure the MTs retain their consciousness. They're more human than they look.

Some daemons retain pieces of their human personality too (like that Naga that kept looking for her kid). But there's no way to turn them back and they'll kill you if you feel sorry for them. As Noctis and Gladiolus put it, it's kill or be killed.
Those screams MTs make when you destroy them are still creepy as fuck.

We all have our problems, I can only hope you make it. Be strong, man.

While in a sense I regret learning about this side of Ignis and thus destroying my idealized view on him, it's a side of him that is important for how he is and what he is. Sure, it's no longer nice and happy (relatively, of course), but it's a better understanding of a character I like and something I value, and gives me a new appreciation of the character, getting to know who he truly is. It actually makes the 'happy ending' rather bittersweet, since he lives out his ultimate fantasy, his delusion. He's still a sick person, but Noctis lives so it's ok. The poor man.

Prompto is the best because you can switch to him and spam the shit out of the assault rifle and bazooka which destroys everything so you don't have to tolerate the game's combat, game is actually pretty fun like this. I hear this feature wasn't in the original release though.

>assault rifle and bazooka
I want my sniper and stick, fug.

The two endings are basically mirror images of each other, indicating the issue was resolved. Except one of them is surreal and ends with sleep, while the other doesn't.

I actually liked this in FFXV. You have to anticipate the enemies next move, rather than react to a tell.

>indicating the issue was resolved
How so?

So, in this ending, who does Noctis end up with?

Good post. I've always been drawn to heavily flawed, fucked up characters, so I actually did want to see a deeper side of Ignis from the very beginning than the just accepting the near-perfect servant he's portrayed as in the base game. To be honest, even for all the praise they get, the main cast of XV leaves a lot to be desired. It feels like there's something missing to their characterization.

And by god user, I'll try to be.

It helps that Noct isn't insane, so yeah.

anyone other than Iris is unacceptable.

I know Luna and Noct are rather bland, but I still loved the ending with the two finally getting reunited before. Somnus was just beautiful, and the whole king in the mountain returning to bring light to the world was a nice touch.

I never understood this, if anything realistic living creatures would be even more predictable.
They just wanted an excuse for bad design like all their interviews

>the visions are almost the same, minus Noct turning into ashes at the end
>Bahamut emphasizes death, while Astral Luna sees some potential for life
>the Lucii give Ignis a chance to change the prophecy is he's so obsessed and he takes it
>the "share the burden" actually happens this time instead of letting Noctis shoulder it all alone
>Ignis seems to have some idea what to do during the timeskip instead of groping around blindly
>the blood of the Oracle survives, keeping the chaos at bay
>triumphant Final Fantasy theme plays at the end, instead of the depressing song in Verse 1
The situation in Verse 2 is just all around more favorable than in the main timeline.

Why do you keep resposting this when you've already been called out for taking it out of context?

He's only talking about making the monsters feel like actual monsters by having more realistic movement to them instead of only just feeling gamey, and Behemoth does raise it's paw up before it attacks down, King Behemoth starts roaring loud and you can hear crystal sounds before it uses blizzard etc, only they have more realistic movement to do with that, they all still have telegraphed moves, all daemons and humanoid enemies are all telegraphed too. And there is a sense of anticipation with some enemies because you know they are about to attack buy you may not know if they'll attack you or another party member so that is why you have things like impervious for recovering hits back to neutral and blink cancels.

If you think this isn't telegraphed then you don't know what you're talking about.

t. somebody who has never interacted with non-domesticated animals

You really can't guess what they're gonna do sometimes. They can go from wary to super aggressive in a split of a second.

>Iris
I don't understand how would anyone even consider her an option given the ridiculous amount of boredom Noctis shows on their date.

The whole cast is pretty much half baked, while from a distance they might look like a well done group of friends the moment you take a closer look it all falls apart. The story being such a mess is a big part of the reason why. The characters are pretty much a 'starter idea' that never really develops into a full fledged character.

Ignis

She's forever kid-zoned for him, user.

I really don't know how one can think that. They're extremely layered for JRPG characters.

>the moment you take a closer look it all falls apart
How so?

Hi there.

>extremely layered
I fail to see it, I'm afraid. How is, say Prompto an extremely layered character? Or Ignis, given he's the focus of the thread?

If you've never read a book in your life, maybe they seem layered. But if we're just taking about JRPG characters, they're not even the best in their own series. The casts of 7, 9, 10, 12 (inb4 Vaan), and Tactics are better realized, and I've yet to play many of the other FFs. The stories of each of these being 90% more cohesive also helps.

>How so?
They make no sense as friends, plain and simple. You just don't get friends that are radically different to you, you need common interests to establish a relationship, and they don't have that. They all have their own likes that don't overlap, the only thing they truly have in common is their duty to the king.
In a game with such a strong focus on friendship this is a problem. All that dialogue in combat, puns and all feels like what a suit thinks teenage friendship looks like, not what it actually is like. The only line that makes it look like there could be a common thing going on is when Ignis makes a new recipe and Gladio offers to taste test it. That's it.

I wouldn't call him perfect. He's standoffish, rarely emotionally honest, smug, and can be rather unkind to other people that aren't Noctis (like those dialogues where he half-jokingly suggests they should dump Prompto for being useless and get extra space instead). Deep down, he's not a very nice person.

>He's standoffish,
>smug
That's not necessarily bad.

Fucking garbage
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