Has there EVER been a sequel that is more of a disgrace to its predecessor than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the...

Has there EVER been a sequel that is more of a disgrace to its predecessor than Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots?

Devil May Cry 2

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Came to post this. At least MGS4 has good fanservice.

Breath of the Wild
Sonic Forces
Super Mario 3D land
Pacific Rim 2

Half-Life 2
Metal Gear Solid 2
Super Metroid
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Age of Empires 2

Yeah. Metal Gear Solid V, Dead Space 3. Spiritually Final Fantasy XIII, which is probably the worst game I have ever played and finished.

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Hands down.

Can't think of one.

But its predecessor was MGS4.

MGSPW is way worse. Story wise and gameplay structure wise, MGSV is shitter too.

>MGS
8/10
>MGS2
8/10
>MGS3
9/10
>MGS4
10/10
>MGS5
9/10

Shit taste as usual.

im sorry are those numbers meant to indicate the quality of a videogame?

>Devil May Cry 2
You know what, I have to agree, at least where it concerns gameplay. Plotwise though, there's nothing wrong with DMC2.

I played DMC2 recently and I do not understand the hate.

It was still as solid hack'n'slash with a style meter, I had fun.

Fallout 3
and when you thought it couldn't get worse
Fallout 4

>At least MGS4 has good fanservice.
>good fanservice.
Namely... what, exactly? Did you really like the fact Johnny had diarrhoea still? Did you like it when he got married to Meryl?

Did you also like it when it was revealed that the movie nerd, the jovial blackman and the British stereotype were the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?

Did you like it when Big Boss comes out of nowhere, kills the vegetable that used to be Zero, then dies of Fox Die?

What fan service did you actually like, user?

Without hyperoble, this has got to be one of the worst videogames ever made.

It's not horrible, just incredibly mediocre and feels very disconnected from it's own franchise.

Dat armour tho.

The only one I can think of that is even close is Deus Ex: Invisible War. But even that is meager compared to MGS 4's trash.

Good taste as usual

No. Max Payne 3 comes close though.

>Do I fit in yet, Sup Forums?

>>Do I fit in yet, Sup Forums?
Are you implying that Dark Souls 2 isn't as bad as people say?

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Act 4, as lackluster it was at times, especially the music, the SOCOM and the Rex fight. Pilotting a Metal Gear. The final Ocelot fight. Old Snake allegedly dying and being miserable and still kicking the "most advanced" units ass.

What about everything being explained away by nanomachines, was that also great fanservice?

Hey, remember that guy that behaved like a vampire, flipped around, ran on water, got shot in the head and didn't die...

It was also nanomachines.

Nevermind it was all supposed to be a virtual reality simulation, though.

MGS1 was absolutely groundbreaking in vidya. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge it was the best is too young to be able to appreciate it.

I like mgs4
I like dead space 3
I like dark souls 2

You guys need to separate obsessive fanboyism and objectivism.

None of these are bad games, they just don’t live up to the impossible hype that you faggots build around them.

Yes

Nanomachines is a really overused meme. It mostly concerns Vamp, Naomi and Ocelot. Mantis for instance is still a magic.

Well, you're wrong. Objectively so.

Nice try

Yeah, it set the ground for decades of moviegames with shitty gameplay. Thanks MGS.

This felt like the culmination of the 3 other main games in the series, unlike phantom pain. I swear you assholes like that game ironically because it's somehow anti-fun.

Eeeh no...i just played thru the HD collection 1 & 3 were a blast 2 was a chore with a retarded plot (not that the plots were that great anyway)
But i mean if you reeeeally love DMC than yea its good

I like it

I loved this game but I was really annoyed by how Kojima suddenly got a massive hardon for Big Boss after it

Just wait till fallout 5! xD jesus christ... whatever Bethesda comes out with next is going to be so fucking shit ;_;

>Nanomachines is a really overused meme
You're talking about the game itself, right? Nanomachines became a meme because the game talks about it so much.

>It mostly concerns Vamp, Naomi and Ocelot
Nevermind all the PMCs, which is what, hundreds of thousands of soldiers across the world? How about Meryl and the RAT unit? The B&B unit?

>Mantis for instance is still a magic.
He also popped up for no reason, as well as The Sorrow, just for your "pretty good fan service" and incredibly, tonally out of place 4th wall-breaking humor.

It was a giant letdown in the greatest franchise to ever grace this earth but its still better than 88% of any games out now

>It was a giant letdown
>in the greatest franchise to ever grace this earth >still better than 88% of any games out now
Superlative hyperbole to justify shit taste.

>Nanomachines became a meme because the game talks about it so much.
Yes, but it's still an overused meme since it doesn't explain everything retroactively that ever happened in the entirety of the Metal Gear history like some people pretend.
>Nevermind all the PMCs, which is what, hundreds of thousands of soldiers across the world? How about Meryl and the RAT unit? The B&B unit?
Yeah, let's forget that Solid Snake had nanomachines in his body already in MGS1 and this was the logical development of this technology. It's actually one of the better plot points in MGS4 that people don't appreciate enough, in my opion. The battlefield control is part of the whole "war has changed" theme. Though, even though war has changed, Snake makes it through alive.
>He also popped up for no reason
Well, that is not exactly a point I brought up as one of the good parts of the fanservice. The rest of what I said still stands.

The game of your childhood has to be something that is not Skyrim or Modern Warfare 2 to understand.

>it doesn't explain everything retroactively that ever happened in the entirety of the Metal Gear history
The fact that it retroactively explains ANYTHING is bad enough, but what's really bad is that it explains more than one thing. It's not a satisfying answer to something when you use it to explain several things at once. It's the sci-fi equivalent of "a wizard did it."

>Yeah, let's forget that Solid Snake had nanomachines in his body already in MGS1 and this was the logical development of this technology.
That's true.

>The battlefield control is part of the whole "war has changed" theme.
War has changed so much that it's a plot hole the whole war thing collapsed in on itself when it's revealed Drebin was "assigned by the Patriots to assist Snake." Consider also the fact that EVERYONE in any combat situation, PMC or militia, have nanomachines. If everything is under the control of SOP, what's all the fighting about?

The Patriots AI effectively controls the world via nanomachines and information itself. It's pretty silly that the game ended up being treated like an action movie, going so far as to give you the keys to REX to fight RAY... which was an awesome moment, of course, but when you think about it in terms of story telling... it's pretty stupid. MGS4's story is so many levels of B-movie bad that it's enjoyable and I have little against the game itself. But it's seriously one of Kojima's worst stories, though not as bad as Peace Walker.
Anyway the point I was going for is that MGS4 had the perfect opportunity to do a true tactical espionage successor to MGS1, instead it's bloated with combat situations and over the top action set pieces.
I wish it had had more like the stalking section of Act 3, and less open areas of Act 1 and 2. Going back to Shadow Moses was so disappointing when you consider it's just full of Gekkos and armballs. It also sucks that they never did any Snake Tales kind of thing to give you more interesting things to do.

>with shitty gameplay
Hey, now.

I bought This and Mad Max on the same day. Mad Max turned out to be the better game.

This. MGS4 shat on everything established by the magnum opus of MGS that is Sons of Liberty. It explained things that didn't need any explanation for no reason. It's still a better game than MGSV, even though we are comparing a shitshow against another shitshow.

Well, shitty is an exaggeration. But gameplay in MGS is kind of an afterthought, with neither the simplicity of MG2 nor the full realization of 3D gameplay in MGS2.

*block your path*

>The fact that it retroactively explains ANYTHING is bad enough
I agree, though that wasn't so much my point. Large parts of the story are still intact.

And for the rest: This got somewhat derailed, it was initially about fanservice and is now about MGS4 in general. I agree with many points you brought up. Though:
>Going back to Shadow Moses was so disappointing when you consider it's just full of Gekkos and armballs
I dislike them as well, but it wouldn't make much sense for it being filled with armed guards. And the intial impression through the introduction was fantastic and makes it, in my opinion, up for it, and not only the Rex fight was great, the crying wolf fight as well. Vamp fight was eh.

It barely has a plot so it can't really do anything wrong.

I don't know about Dark Souls 2 but you don't bring up Dead Space 3 just like that. "Didn't live up to the impossible hype" is dishonest. The game threw everything previously established out of the window and fucked up the franchise forever, and also fucked up space survival horror for a long time if not forever as well.

And MGS4 is in the same category.

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>But gameplay in MGS is kind of an afterthought
Like you pointed out, MGS is a direct sequel to the first two games for the MSX, both of which were designed the same way, with top-down video and 2D movement. At the time, MGS was the natural progression of how the game should be played even when designed in 3D. Many of the gameplay elements from those MSX games are present in MGS1, slightly updated but nonetheless effective. If you look at other games from that era, they didn't control very well in 3D space and the ones that did, were designed to be played as if they were 2D. Look at Crash Bandicoot for example... then compare it to Tenchu. Tenchu really played like shit.

All MGS1 had to do was push the graphical limitations of the time as far as they could go to make one of the best looking games on the system and it made sense to retain the simplicity of 2D movement. Making videogames look and feel more like movies when story was important was also an important evolution of the medium. Even if you were to strip away the story, you're left with a unique game style that inspired franchises like Splinter Cell and Hitman to show that, yes, you can have a game about staying out of combat and progressing unnoticed. It took skill to kill or bypass a guard without getting spotted. I don't understand how this makes for bad gameplay.

MGS2 added more options in first person view, though arguably the controls should've been changed as well to accommodate that change. It's surprising that it took MGS4 to really push the controls forward.

>Large parts of the story are still intact.
Vamp and Liquid aren't large parts of the story?

>the crying wolf fight as well
No. No, no, no, no. That fight is so easily exploitable in so many ways that it's just an inferior version of The End, a far smarter boss. Crying Wolf is literally inside a mecha but she can't find you even when you engage in combat with the FROGs...

Not being able to cancel your attacks into a dodge (despite having a dedicated dodge button, go figure) really makes it feel sluggish. A lot of the enemies that aren't completely braindead are a chore to fight too. It's not the worst game of all time but it's really fucking boring on a lot of aspects. Webm related, this really shows how much thought they put into some of these bosses.

>I played DMC2 recently and I do not understand the hate.
Combat is slower, clunkier and just unpolished. Thankfully they polished most of the same concepts with DMC3.

>It barely has a plot so it can't really do anything wrong.
I suppose.

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>fucking Argosax Chaos boss battle is just 4 bosses stitched together with a single tentacle
Ugh, don't remind me. At least it leads into The Despair Embodied. That shit was wicked. I wish I could fight it with the DMC3's combat system, or maybe even 4's.

Which is worse though, Argosax Chaos or Arkham?

That Gothic 3?

i never get the hate, fallout 3 was a good game

>fallout 3 was a good game

You can cheese half of Argosax by standing on the right spot and mashing your gun button like a mongoloid, you don't really have a reason not to do it either. Arkham was shit too but you actually had to move to beat him. If anything, Arkham is mostly annoying because he was literally Sparda a few seconds earlier and you know you could have fought that instead of a shitty purple blob.

A/10
V/10
Thanks IGN

>If everything is under the control of SOP, what's all the fighting about?
>The Patriots AI effectively controls the world via nanomachines and information itself.
The goal of The Patriots is not only to control the world, but also and mainly to shape it according to Zero's interpretation of The Boss' ideals. The fighting is about the fighting itself.

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>Vamp and Liquid aren't large parts of the story?
Goddamn, large parts of the story haven't bean touched by retroactively explaining things through nanomachines. Most magical characters retain their magics. The development of the Metal Gears have nothing to do with nanomachines. Le's Enfant Terrible has nothing to do with nanomachines. Solids Aging has nothing to do with nanomachines and FOXDIE was alsready introduced in MGS1. The nanomachines for Vamp aren't even that important if you think about it in the grand picture of the games. Only Ocelot is the real culprit.
>No. No, no, no, no.
I guess you got a serious hateboner for MGS4.

I love MGS4 because it makes the story more based in reality that the big bad group uses propaganda to make them seem so much more mysterious then they actually are. (You know one of the main themes of the game, how propaganda can effect people and what they expect)

I love the fact that 4 shits all over the stupid kinda fans who wrote fan fiction after 2 and 3 and wanted some stupid fucking anime ending. You got disappointment welcome to the real world

>MGSV is a bad game

cool meme, when will it stop?
I bet when Survive comes out Sup Forums will love MGSV

The MGS fanbase is always shitting on itself and can never come together when it comes to pointing out which is the best or worst game in the series. Can't we just say that Kojima was a hack and call it a day?

i can sulk at it all day long and yet i'm replaying it as we speak. such a good bad game.

I didn't play MGS5, but I actually agree on all the others.

>Only Ocelot is the real culprit.
I guess by story you meant the entire storyline and not just the story of MGS4. The issue with Vamp is that he (like Rose) is in a game that was designed around the idea that the player is inside a VR simulation, hence why he's so out of place compared to the other characters.
Yes, MGS1 and 3 had elements of the supernatural and magic in them. However, Vamp wasn't real (and neither was Rose in MGS2). He was only made real (as well as the events of MGS2) by MGS4 pretending the VR simulation thing never existed, because somehow you can still ignore all the evidence within MGS2 pointing towards this realization. Afterall the fucking Arsenal Gear crashed into Manhattan, then Snake AND Rose appear before Raiden out of nowhere. This has nothing to do with nanomachines, I know that. But it's a clear example of how it just didn't matter what the explanations in MGS4 were because they create plot-holes specifically with MGS2. Why would Vamp be given quick regeneration via nanomachines when he wasn't supposed to be real to begin with? And here's another point that you might agree with, nanomachines didn't explain how Vamp was able to run on water, so not only are Nanomachines a bad answer, it's one that creates more plot-holes...

>I guess you got a serious hateboner for MGS4.
I actually don't hate MGS4, I simply don't like the forced fan service. Some of it feels like it came out of The Twin Snakes i.e. Raiden going into a fight against FROGS with a sword in his mouth because he didn't get his arms reimplanted. I also love the microwave hallway and that scene is incredibly beautiful, but when my brain switches back on and I think about how it made so much more sense for Raiden to do it (since it's Otacon that hacks the AI with the Mk.3 anyway) that... all that beauty has no real meaning to it. Yes, Snake told Raiden still had a future and he knows he's dying soon anyway but... Snake didn't die going through the hallway. So...?!

I liked it

It's a great game.

Yeah, but did you know Super Mario Bros. 2 was actually called Puckman in Japan, but they were afraid that it would be too hard to pronounce for Americans so they made a whole new game and called it Final Fantasy II?

MGS4 is as good as every MG game. Some are better that others, but Metal Gear has no bad games except for PO because of the performance and controls, and MG for many things but it gets away with it for being the first game.

I can't believe you fags didnt post pic related, a.k.a. the MOST dissapointing sequel of all time

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MGSV didn't make people love MGS4, this isn't Zelda

>mgs3
>good

MGS was shit since the first one. The MSX games were better.

portable ops was actually really fucking addicting though once you got into it

Its quite possibly the greatest game ever made

>overlong game dependent on codec conversations and cut scenes to provide context for things after the fact
>constantly and very obviously borrowing elements from the previous games
It's the most Metal Gear there was, user

And don't forget Ocarina of Time!

it's a complete mess of game design

Kojima is based though.

MGS2 was never supposed to be a VR simulation you retard.

Actually true.
The game was clearly incomplete and unpolished, and the 3D franchise only went downhill from there.

Compared to its two predecessors it is a kick in the balls, but the game looks pretty, so it's like a cute girl you have a crush on did it.

>MGS2 was never supposed to be a VR simulation you retard.
Yes it was. Do your research.

explain

yeah, it was a total coincidence when the inside of arsenal gear looks exactly like the photo area in MGS1's VR missions

There is no proof.

Because the whole Big Shell incident was a recreation of the Shadow Moses incident. Did you skip the cutscenes or something?

This. The Boss was a mistake and gave us the abortion that is Peace Walker

>games
>s
MG1 is cryptic dogshit.

It's a solid game brought down by impossible expectations