For those of you who picked Imperial, I have a question? WHY? They've essentially invaded a land that isn't theirs...

For those of you who picked Imperial, I have a question? WHY? They've essentially invaded a land that isn't theirs. Tried to take over because hurr durr our emperor and then they tried to have you killed without trial. With the latter being unforgivable, how the fuck could you choose them over people who rightfully own the land?

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You're so naive it hurts.

And if you actually played the game, you'd know that both sides are thalmor pawns anyway.

>invaded a land that isn’t theirs.
The edge of my blade disagrees with you, rebel scum

Imperials rule over the entire empire. For example of California or Texas decide they're not part of the USA that doesn't make it so and you wouldn't be "invading" them by asserting that yes this part of your country/empire is part of your country/empire.

Stormcloaks are fucking subhuman and blindly follow a dude that if he won the CIVIL WAR would harm any chance the empire has of fighting the Thalamor in the future. The empire needs to be unified before the Je...I mean Thalamor are stopped.

>They've essentially invaded a land that isn't theirs.
Literally what the Nords did to the Snow Elves and Bretons.
>B-b-but muh Snow elves attack the Nords first!?!!?!
I doubt a bunch of snow-back savages could possibly co-exist with anyone.

because the stormcloaks treat the other races like shit, so why should I do them any favors when I'm playing anything other than a hardcore 1488 nord nationalist?

Both sided fucking suck just like the rest of the game. Bethesda tried way to hard making a morally gray choice. Stop making these retard threads.

Stormcloaks are a private army led by a man who cares about nothing but himself. And the Empire is a shell of its former self that has gone on for longer than it should. Even Talos agreed and that was back in Morrowind.

They're both shit choices but the Imperials are the lesser shit.

Is Ulfric the ancap dream?

And yet the Imperials blindly throw you to get beheaded "because you crossed the border" or something, that's inexcusable.

There's no such thing as a morally grey choice. Every game has an objectively correct choice, both morally and logically.

Fallout New Vegas it's Mr House, Skyrim is Imperials, Fallout 4 it's the fucking minutemen unfortunately, etc

The empire makes more sense as a faction than the rebels BUT it just feel so retarded as the player to run off and join the empires right after they wanted to chop your head of for absolutely nothing.

A better question is, if you sided with the Imperials, why did you join the Dark Brotherhood and kill the Emperor?

>Fallout 4 it's the fucking minutemen unfortunately
True they're the good guys but it doesn't really make sense that the minuteman could defeat the institute so BoS makes more sense.

>People who do bad things in war are representative of the entire side

It's objective to you

>one overzelous imperial captain orders your execution
>every time someone mentions it they talk as if the enitre empire did

Your character can make any side win so thats not even Relevant about how powerful a side is when your character is so powerful they can't be stopped.

>"the Imperials" are a bitchy cunt of a captain and a gang of perfectly trustworthy happy merchan- I mean Elves
yes n'wah, you should kill all the evil humans for the glory of all mer- whoops, I mean men!

It does its fucking job by imprinting hate into your brain.

Except it was the execution of the leader of the rebel faction, their biggest opponents. You'd think that maybe was regulated a little better? And not just hey let's execute some random people.

How about this: Can you make both sides stop fighting and have a good ending? I never tried and am too lazy to look it up.

Yes I know but for roleplaying it doesn't make sense.

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The Thalmor are manipulating the stormcloaks and the nord imperials because a divided Skyrim is weak. A united Skyrim poses a serious threat.

I really hate what skyrim did to the setting. Oblivion ruined things too but at least it was comfy and not tryhard vikings shit.

Because I'm the mother fucking dragonborn. I want to keep the Emperor intact with the plan to become emperor myself.

I'd argue that my dragon blood gives me a legitimate claim to the throne.

>Oblivion ruined things too but at least it was comfy

as comfy as a renaissance fair at the side of a mall.

You can but 99% of the time doing that permanently breaks a few quest chains.

>imperial captain orders random innocent people to be executed without a trial or anything
>every soldier under his command is perfectly fine with that
>the empire has no working legal system apparently

It's Objective to reality. There's no such thing as subjectivism. The only things that are subjective are people's perceptions of reality but here's the kicker my dude. People's subjective perceptions of reality can be objectively wrong.

No. You can just not do the civil war quest at all but that's playing right into the Thalmors hands.

It was a bad case of unusual wartime circumstances and bad bethesda writing.

>bad writing
I'd say good writing because of the circumstances and the fact it's still up for discussion.

Nobody was paying attention to you. They'd just captured the leader of the rebellion and the general was in a hurry to execute him before the Thalmor or someone else could stage an escape.

>need to kill ulfric as soon as possible to end the rebellion
>capture a few stragglers along the way, have no idea of their allegiance or motive
>wah wah I want a fair trial
How about don't break the law first faggot and you won't end up on the chopping block

I don't know about that. Technologically, the Minutemen seem to be on par with the Boomers. They've got some powerful ordinance and were capable of taking down the Prydwen. Not to mention that they have Synths working for them on the DL like Sturges.

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Why not let everyone else go, then?

>Implying the Stormcloaks are any better

Medieval justice systems weren't exactly known for being fair and balanced. You were at the wrong place at the wrong time and they ended up assuming that you were part of Ulfrics personal guard.

Then why didn't they just kill him first?

It's explained in-game if you ever actually pay attention to the lore that you were almost executed because of Ulfric and the Thalmor. Elenwen was at Helgen *specifically* to try and get Ulfric free after Tullius captured him to stop his execution. Why did you think they were suddenly just executing everyone in Helgen when the Thalmor showed up instead of returning to Solitude to face trial and proper beheading? Tullius was trying to stop the Thalmor's little game by executing Ulfric and the Stormcloaks right then and there. You were just an unfortunate byproduct of the Thalmor's gambit and Ulfric's cowardly bitch ass getting caught.

Morality is never objective because it is inherently human and variable from person to person, saying that a choice is objectively correct in terms of morality, especially in a video game, is objectively wrong.

bad bethesda writing

Cool. But the character near lost their life to that decision so why would I go support them.

Good job it's not a Medieval setting, but a Fantasy setting. You are allowed to judge them by modern moral standards, user.

As a last fuck you to Ulfric on the Imperials part. They wanted him to see his men killed.

>it's not a Medieval setting, but a Fantasy setting. You are allowed to judge them by modern moral standards, user.

Medieval fantasy setting you fucking cockspangler.

Independent is better than mr house, objectively speaking.

>how come they didn't predict that the Elder Scrolls would send an Avatar of Akatosh 5000 years into the future to that exact place and time to incidentally interrupt the execution and just execute Ulfric first?

You know the Stormcloaks never actually say "Hey, these guys aren't with us"

Nords are bigot arseholes who opress minorities like the native bretons and orcs in Skyrim, and Imperials are leechs and usurpers. Clearly the only right choice is to join the Forsworn.

Because Stormcloaks are pussies who need to be eradicated.

Tell it to your Old Gods, savage.

Ulfric was crossing the border illegally too, you were caught in the crossfire
If you were in control and one of the guys you caught said "oh I wasnt with them, we just so happened to be in the same area breaking the same law at the same time"
You wouldn't believe them in the slightest

It was in alphabetical order, the empire loves their damn lists

>implying the forsworn aren't worse than either of them

Breton girls are super cute though

Dunno I went with stormcloaks because blue is better than red and imperials remind me of rome which is lame.

uh the sturmcloaks are the reactionaries

I don't think that Alduin came out of the time rift at that exact moment, but he was in the afterlife eating souls for a while and saw that the death of Ulfric would end the war which is his primary food source, so he went there specifically to stop the execution and make sure the leaders of both sides survived.

Are you saying the Thalmor are Jews?

Worse than that, magic jews

Because those elf cunts are in a much stronger position if the Empire is weakened by losing Skyrim.

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>2018
>skyrim civil war thread

Skyrim is for the Nor-

The thalmor are nazis, and it's not even subtle.

Based on conversations with Imperial military officers they're all rearing and getting ready for a war with the Thalmor. The Legion in Skyrim is only a token force because the bulk of their armies are on the Thalmor border and can't be pulled away.

Unfortunately the mission Diplomatic Immunity shows that they are successfully buttering up certain Imperial nobles.

Emperor Mede = Trump; Leader of the great civilization of man, but constantly put to the test by invaders from the south. Smelly hippies keep trying to break away from the Empire because they don't like the politics even while the Emperor is currently working on plans to permanently deal with the southern interlopers and make humanity great again.

Ulfric = Hillary; A pawn of ((the Thalmor))) sent to divide humanity and weaken the western civilization of man. Known for his constant failures over the years, it seems like only the more illiterate and gullible people follow him

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Seeing how Mer culture and religion greatly influenced human societies, they really are the master racel

Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

That makes skyrim whiter than america

If you don't go stormcloaks and then quickly end the war, you might have brain damage

No, it's explained in-game that he went from fighting the three Nord Heroes at the throat of the world thousands of years ago to just that moment at the execution. He appeared at the Throat where he'd vanished at and Helgen is at the base of that mountain.

>The most successful people in Skyrim are non-Nords
Hmm...

This. Any loyal Dominion citizen should go Stormcloak and do their part in weakening humanity as much as possible.

>still believe Lorkhan did anything wrong
>greatly influenced
Even Dunmer took the redpill

>all the people ruling over Skyrim are local Nords
>Empire "took over"

U wot m8?

I don't remember that and I don't buy it. The timing of his appearance is too perfect. I don't believe that Helgen was just a random attack for a second.

And Helgen isn't really right at the foot of the mountain. Riverwood is closer.

>what are imperial strongholds

Because he flew in the direction of helgen not riverwood.

Ulfric is literally Lenin and the Thalmor is Germany during WW1.

Germany sent Lenin to Russia to start a revolution and get them out of the war. The Thalmor sent Ulfric to Skyrim to take Skyrim out of the Empire.

Granted Germany sending Lenin back did bite them in the ass like 28 years later.

How could anyone get invested enough in this shitheap of a game to genuinely care about the faction conflict? The epic 5v5 wars were truly engaging I guess.

That's a listing of all named NPCs right?

>a bunch of Nord politicians having a big political discussion on how to deal with the Thalmor
>Ulfric barges in and goes FUCK RULES LETS GO WAGE WAR ON THE ELVES WITHOUT THINKING
>proceeds to show off magic that he was specifically ordered not to use against fellow humans

Why are you still talking about this 7 year old game. Yes, this game is 7 years old.

The right of the ruler to ensure his vassal states are loyal.

Solitude is ruled by Torrygg's wife and her Nord advisers.

Why does this board talk about any game?

Not sure if it accounts of bandits and shit but in all settlements this is the ratio.

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Never should've come here!

>they invaded a land that isn't there's
Protip: if you lose against the invaders, you lose your claim to your land.
>implying donald ''israel are the us greatest allies'' trump isn't a dirty kike
lmao

>High King was said to have a lot of respect for Ulfric and was willing to hear him out on succession
>might have even agreed with him
>Ulfric took advantage of that to challenge him to a duel and kill him

He doesn't care about Skyrim he just wants to be king

>He didn't mod the war to make the battles huge

But yeah, vanilla war is crap. Hope Bethesda changes their engine in the future, but they won't.

Torrygg literally wanted Ulfric to be High King. His wife said that if Ulfric had started the rebellion before killing him, Torrygg might have joined Ulfric.

Nigga you think people run high end 1060 ti computers?

You don't have to pretend to be retarded
Stormcloaks vs imperials is easy (You)s already