What's wrong with Fallout 4? Is it worth $15?

What's wrong with Fallout 4? Is it worth $15?

Shitty main story and not many sidequests.
With mods you can get some enjoyment out of it though. So yeah, probably worth $15.

Worth 15
It was fun

i put 100 hours into it on steam, the combat is incredible, huge open world, tons of quests, great soundtrack, lots of looting, different main quest paths, etc

but yeah no its terrible because the sarcasm dialogue option isnt that great and therefore it isnt a real fallout game or rpg

It's not the worst game but it's not a good Fallout game for more reasons than the strawman the casualfag above said.

It's fun as fuck but not without its flaws. The 4 days playtime I already got from it is well worth the 15 burgercoins. Does that include all of the DLCs? The free Creation Club content is garbage.

I really don't think 2/3rds of the dev team ever played a Fallout game before.

It's not as good as New Vegas

Is it a great game? no
Is it a good game? debatable
Is it a decent game? yea
I got about a hundred hours out of it. 15 cents an hour for entertainment is a pretty good deal.

Eh, if it has all of the DLC with it, it isn't terrible. Shooting is okay, but everything to do with the RPG side is horrendous, including the writing. If you haven't played New Vegas, I'd recommend that a thousand times over Fallout 4.

Even without mods you can have fun, such a shitty meme. Everyone I know was somehow able to get 80-150 hours of playtime out of it without mods. That's more than can be said about most games, and this one is single player.

Bought the GOTY for $25, two hours in and I'm still getting used to the controls and perk system, but I like it so far.
Main complaint from most about GOTY is the DLC is a code rather on disc.
I'll have a hard time going back to 3 and NV's graphics.

That's the biggest thing with me too, the combat system and graphics are so much better than the previous games. Yeah the RPG elements are watered-down. But even with every texture mod, vanilla F4 looks better than vegas.

What year is the claim Jet appeared and was made?

>What's wrong with Fallout 4?
As an RPG it's absolutely terrible. The player's choices barely matter, everyone is stupid, all the factions are stupid, the dialogue choices are so limited that you can't even get useful information about the stupid people you're dealing with, the stat system has been gutted to such an extent that there's no room for build variety, and the main plot is about some shitty baby that you have no reason to care about.

>Is it worth $15?
If you just want to wander around and shoot things in the face, then maybe.
Personally I've avoided buying it on principle and I think anyone who cares about RPGs should do the same, but it's up to you.

>combat is incredible
Really? out of all the shooters and other action games you may have played, FO4's combat stands out as "incredible"?
Now, that is incredible.

It's worth 15$ but it's not worth your time.

You'd have to pay me at least 4 dollars an hour to play this game.

It's good for an RPG. RPGs normally have horrible combat.

stop implying hes actually played any other fps or rpgs to even have an informed opinion on that

+Good combat
+/-power armor
+Companions are very well done
+Mods
+Settlements, but this is my opinion i know some people hated it
+big open world
-Story
-Dialogue
-weapon variation
-Skill system
-Linear dungeons
-3 endings
-no Karma

for 15 bucks i think so, for the amount of content you're getting

The base building is fun.

For what fallout 4 is, the shooting is pretty damn good. I mean its no worse than GTA 5's shooting, yet people constantly bitch about F4's shooting.

Name an open-world shooter RPG with better 1st person shooting mechanics lol.

It's the best combat out of the modern Fallout games but that's not saying much. FO4 really needed a New Vegas-esque sidegame. I really the combat to be better than it was though, it felt like a poorer version of the Metro series.

As much as FO4 disappointed and bored me, I'd have to agree that it is worth $15. I played quite a bit of it drunk off my ass to tolerate that lack of intelligent characters and story. I also pirated it so I definitely got my money's worth

Is there a way to do settlement stuff from an isometric/overhead perspective? Having to literally walk/run from one side of the settlement to another to set up power lines and walls is a huge fucking pain.

STALKER, since you seems to think that FO4 has roles to fill besides muderhobo.

you can do it with cheats if you're on PC
type TCL in console and you can fly around, type it in again to land
It'll disable achievements tho if you care

The Far Cry series could count as RPG in a way so...yeah, they have much better first person shooting.

Even being considered the "worst new fallout" is still miles ahead of some of the bullshit being released today

For better or for worse I think FO4 is more like a FPS with a perk system and some optional base-building tacked on.

Ugh.

Fuck, I can't believe it was release long enough ago to compare it with 'today's games'. This has got to stop.

Stalker is barely an RPG, it's a FPS game. There's no leveling or interactive dialogue. I've played all the stalker games, the combat is nearly Identical to Fo4

Stalker: Call of Pripyat isn't even really an RPG, but it still has more meaningful dialogue choices than Fallout 4 on top of some of the most intense FPS combat I've ever experienced in a video game.

>Is it worth $15?
yes, the story is ass tho, but the mods help clean it up a bit

The main quest is terrible.
Unlike FO3 there aren't even many decent setpiece you can take from the MQ and say they were individually good.

For $15 though, it's a mediocre RPG and worth the cash.
If you like the idea of base building - it's been worth it for longer than a pricedrop to $15 though.

>What is wrong with Fallout 4.

Everything. Everything.

Which is why I compared it to Fallout 4, another game with only one role for the player to fill.

just to clear things up Fallout 4 is as much an RPG as Bioshock is

Fallout isn't that much of an RPG either

I like it. I'm still playing it. It's a game I can always come back to.

In F2 Myron claims he invented it, which was in 2241. The terminal in Vault 95 talks about psycho and jet being sent to the vault during its construction.

The gunplay is way more fun compared to FO:NV and FO3

I'm a filthy casual though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Anyways the looting/inventory system is better along with the gunplay, but the dialogue and RPG aspects are fucking terrible if you compare them to FO3 and especially NV.

It's definitely worth $15, but you can't deny they made improvements with the gameplay while sacrificing RPG aspects.

>nuFallout isn't that much of an RPG either
Fix'd

>The gunplay is way more fun compared to FO:NV
Yeah you are a complete and utter casual

the RPG elements were the core of Fallout so what's the point in making a Fallout game that sacrifices that for better action sequences??

Thanks

What if Myron actually lied about creating it and he just found the recipe and says he's the inventor so he can try and score

that's what i meant

def worth 15 bucks, you can get hours of entertainment out of it despite with v says


wow

Can you really do a 3D/first person Fallout? It just doesn't transfer like GTA or Mario.

All I'm saying is that I enjoyed FO4's gunplay more than NV or FO3. Call me what you want.

This is basically what I was saying. The whole game is pretty much built around you being whichever type of character you want to play as. The world should change around the player's playstyle. Unfortunately in FO4 that doesn't really happen. It's more of a two lane thing.

he's setup in the game as a child genius and essentially a post apocalyptic chemist, just because Peter Hines is a fuckwit does not change canon

I know but its funnier

Get it for $0 from Fitgirl.

no it doesn't transfer nearly as well as either of those game franchises but Fallout New Vegas was the closest we've gotten to something like Super Mario Galaxy or GTA 3/Vice City

How is this at all a controversial statement?
The gunplay in 4 was unarguably better than NV

Pirate? But you'll miss out on achievements.

not an arguement

>There's no leveling
RPG doesn't stand for "leveling game", user. The whole point of a stat system is to allow for players to build a variety of different characters with different sets of skills and abilities for the sake of role-playing, but Fallout 4's stats and dialogue system don't allow for role-playing or build variety so what's the point? May as well just be a full-on FPS anyway.
>or interactive dialogue.
Apart from siding with factions, which cuts you off from rival factions (something Fallout 4 is afraid to do).

It's still funny

You are a fucking moron if you do not think 4 had better shooter mechanics than NV or 3.

You almost HAD to use VATS in 3/NV because the gunplay was so trash.

>How is this at all a controversial statement?
ppl looking to shit on 4 at every turn

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>which cuts you off from rival factions (something Fallout 4 is afraid to do).
You never actually played fallout 4, have you.

I just hate how easy it is to break the game, i'm level 30 (like 20 hours in) and i can play the rest of the game in power armor thanks to nuclear physicist, have enough food and stimpacks to tank through the hardest enemies in the game, have an explosive shotgun with the highest upgrades. I kind of lost all intrest, i'm playing on very hard and the game is piss easy granted i haven't tried survival, but i read that very hard is harder anyway. I'm sure survival can be cheesed with a sniper anyway.

I played it for 15 minutes and got a vicious headache

>which cuts you off from rival factions
you can do Minutemen and BoS quest together, you can "act" as a double agent in the RR as a Brotherhood member

>Story is a mediocre re-hash of FO3
>Many lore issues in FO4 or things that just don't make sense with the established canon, the PR guy of Bethesda (Pete Hines) basically just says "lol like I give a shit about what you NERDS think about a VIDEO GAME"
>Voice acting is pretty hit-or-miss
>Not as many side areas or secrets in this game in comparison to previous games. Almost all the locations are associated with a corresponding fetch quest.
>Lot of bugs that are still in there to this day (see: random civilians turning hostile to you every time you try to teleport into the Minuteman Fort no matter what your allegiance is)
>Most of the RPGs mechanics from previous games got thrown out or otherwise dumbed down

It is definitely worth $15 if you're a fan of the series (I'm assuming you mean GOTY edition), it just isn't worth $60.

The DLC certainly isn't worth the price tag on its own though. Far Harbor was the only decent one. Bethesda put way more effort into Skyrim's DLC than it did for Fallout 4's DLC.

Oh wow you have to pick a side for the last quest after somehow being the head of several warring factions for 99% of the game.

>What's wrong with Fallout 4?
Not an RPG, bad quests
> Is it worth $15?
Yes.

>being the head of several warring factions
the minutemen and the institute

A baby is drowning in the lake:

>Fallout 1
Ask for more information
Agree to help
Decide not to help
Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest.
Reveal too much information about yourself, causing the Super Mutants to track your vault more easily.

>Fallout 2
Ask for more information
Agree to help
Decide not to help
Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest
Pop culture reference about the baby

>Fallout 3
Yes, I will save the baby
Depends on the caps
I will not save the baby
[Intelligence] The baby is drowning

>Fallout New Vegas
I will save the baby
I will not save the baby
[Barter 30] Double the caps and I'll save the baby
[Medicine 30] Thanks to my medical knowledge, I will easily be able to save the baby
[Survival 15/30] Uh.... yeah, I totally know how to swim

>Fallout 4
Yes
No (Yes)
Sarcastic (Yes)

STALKER has on average 3-30 hours playtime with steam users, yet its hard to find someone with under 50 in F4. I wonder why.

As a die hard fallout fan I didn't love f04, but for $15 you'd be silly not to get it.

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Will we ever get a another fallout like new vegas?

Maybe, if you believe the rumors Zenimax has assigned the next spin off to a third party dev. I think a lot of publishers want that Call of Duty model of yearly releases

This is so accurate it's painful.

Never ever.
Bethesda is still embarrassed by how Obsidian managed to make a gem like NV within such a short timespan compared to 3.

>the next spin off to a third party dev
Unless these are veteran RPG makers, I'm not even interested.

Because Fallout 4 is nothing but filler with dumb bullshit like the procedurally generated quests and settlement building. It's designed to waste time.
Every Stalker game has better user reviews than Fallout 4, even Clear Sky which is generally considered to be the weakest in the series. It's not even a contest with CoP or SoC.

> the mods help clean it up a bit
Sure

Too bad the AAA industry is driven by sales.

Only if you get all the DLC and download the FROST mod and never touch the dog shit base game.

>What's wrong with Fallout 4?
People probably would've liked it a lot more if it was Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel 2

Actually, Fallout Tactics 2 with some resource management and base building could have been cool.

Which is why we'll get Skyrim 2 and Fallout 4.5

>Fallout Tactics 2 with some resource management and base building could have been cool.
this is actually a pretty good idea

I'm playing a long play (dead is dead rules) through New Vegas right now. Serious decision making, fucking loving it. It's like a comfy long movie, blade runner style.
What you wrote pretty much sums up why you can really feel like "you" in NV. There are few times where I cannot handle things the way I would actually handle them, or say things that I would actually say.
Downside is that the "terrifying presence" perk costs a perk... maybe, but I still get ample opportunity to make threats. Fallout 3 is good, but new vegas sometimes feels like a real place and, disturbingly, a place I wouldn't mind living in...

Kind of glad to know I haven't been missing out on FO4, but I'll probably play it eventually.

How does fallout 1 and 2 compare to new vegas story and rp wise?

>Mods fix it
>Go check the newest files on Fallout 4 nexus
>Shitty Looksmenu , Bodyslide presets, translations of older mods,
What went so wrong with Fallout 4 modding scene.

>Shitty Looksmenu , Bodyslide presets
these are easy to make

the bigger mods require more detail and apparently modding for 4 is a lot harder than Skyrim

Skyrim 2 wouldn't be bad. Loved Skyrim.

>Skyrim 2 wouldn't be bad.
If it involved the Wolf Queen taking over Skyrim with millions of undead would be ok

>3 years after release
>Texture failing to load and get stuck into LOD textures is still a thing
Fucking Bethesda, man

>the newest files
You fucking retard. Anyone with half a brain can upload a shit mod at any given day. Check the best of all time instead.

She attempted to do that from beyond the grave the last game lol, but, I had this idea once that involved the player going back in time to heal "time wounds", where you would see different key points of Tamriel history. I'd love to see that shit.
Maybe also seeing a glimpse of a possible distant future would be interesting too.

>player going back in time to heal "time wounds"
A better concept and story than Dawnguard