It'd be a shame if we made your protagonist a literal faggot... heh. enjoy

- Square Enix circa 2005/2006

Who keeps designing these men?

japan

Yeah and look at him now

holy shit he looks 30% better

70% more and he'll look like a straight man

But he does look like a straight man, by nippon standards..?

im captain basch

>men

It's amazing how much cooler he gets with a shirt

vaan isn't the main character, he's just along for the ride

Vaan has it pretty rough. He's a void devoid of any meaning in FF12, then when he finds his own shit in RW Penelo cucks him with some bird faggot

Some fag

This makes him so much better

He lived in a desert town all his life. He never needed a shirt. Even the women in the game are walking around in boob tubes.

I'm a few hours into the game and heavens did I forget how much of an absolute idiot Vaan is
>let's do something profoundly stupid right after promising to one of the three people who care about me that I wouldn't do anything profoundly stupid
>which translates into let's break into the occupied royal palace, get captured during an extremely high-profile attempt on the Consul's life, get thrown into a dungeon, escape from said dungeon, and then just waltz in broad daylight into the shop where everyone who cares about me works so that if I get found again the Empire knows to execute them all on the spot on suspicions of association with the Dalmascan resistance.
Penelo never deserved this

He looks like an aryan, non-emo Squall.

wat. Square couldn't even do the romance subplot that has been in almost every mainline FF since 4. what the fuck

Damn, he actually looks like a real character now. He's even got the swashbuckler theme going.

He's full of shit, they get together at the end and they're a couple in Tactics A2.

oh. well that guy's a fag and I guess I am too for believing him

Japs are weird. The gays are all super masculine and the straights are all women.

Play the game, it's fun and easy to emulate if you don't have a DS or 3DS. And since it's RTS-Lite it's actually comfortable to play with both stylus on actual hardware and mouse pointer when emulating.

Ashe, Basch and Balthier are the true main characters of the story, the rest are the support staff.
Even Penelo is more important than Vaan as she's the reason Larsa is around the party so much.

Seriously, Vaan and Penelo's relationship is constantly paralleled with Balthier and Fran's. And as you said, in the end it's obvious they're a couple.

>emulation
>not original hardware

wanna know how i know you're a literal homosexual irl?

Actually, here is how it went down:
>Writers/devs: "Our main character is Balthier, an adult with a nuanced personality, with plenty of opportunities for character development and plenty of history to be invested in".
>Suits: "According to our market research, that is not what our target demographic want, replace Balthier as the main character with a girly boy ripe for fan fiction."

This is more or less what happened. Balthier WAS the main character during development, until they changed the stories direction. Thats why Vaan feels like a sidecharacter, because he IS one.

Some people don't have access to actual hardware, I played it on a DS so fuck off and get cancer and die you shitstain.

suggesting emulation is like telling your friend it's better to buy chinese imitation shit

Balthier and Fran's relationships are way more intimate and they don't show them to outsiders, there's no parallels between them and Vaan/Penelo, unless you're talking about some non-canon Motomu Shittiyama garbage.

>Square Enix game with male lead
>expecting anything but a twink faggot

>Balthier
Bzzzzt, wrong. Basch was. As in Matsuno chose Basch as initial MC but that was during pre-production, MC-Basch never existed during the development since the suits demanded a teen boy MC before the development started.

>All those cringe scenes between Vaan and Ashe

Specially the one a Jahara

It's (You)r last.

Whatever, it's been over ten fucking years, I can't remember it all. Point is, Vaan was not originally the MC, and it shows.

not a fucking argument buddy i win

Does Ashe get the D? This is important

Vaan is an audience surrogate.

found the sex obsessed virgin weeb

shoo shoo adults are talking

Which part of "ONLY DURING PRE-PRODUCTION" aka the brainstorming part do you not understand? Vaan became the MC extremely early in development, it's not a late change by suits like the reshoots in say Justice League movie.
Vaan was ALWAYS the MC during the actual development of the game.
Basch as MC was literally only a concept and never got past the concept stage.

you're getting autistically upset over final fantasy 12's development cycle

They never say it in Revenant Wings, but she is accompanied by Larsa all the time, so it's sorta implied she /ss/'d him.

From what I remember 11 or so years ago. I only one even kind of close was Larsa I think was his name?

isn't she a dirty whore who fucked her dead husband?

>Ashe gets prime shota cock
>the shota is given used goods loose slut
>cucked out of Penelo by Vaan
I feel sorry for Larsa

Larsa was a trap

Huh. Apparently all that his design needed was a shirt. Who knew.

I mean her husband didn't leave for war the day they got married and newly weds usually consummate their marriage the night they marry.

I miss the memes

It contrasts exceptionally well with the rest of his outfit too, it's mindboggling how he goes from shit tier to great tier by simply putting on a white swashbuckler shirt with a popped collar.

Japanese women, they like feminine men.

The mid to late 2000s was square trying everything in their power to pander to Japanese women. Hence X-2, Vaan, and the 13 trilogy.

they are less delusional than westerners though

if you go to a gay bar you will see more masculine looking dudes than twinks, meanwhile most girls go exactly for the cool, twink dudes

Vaan shows Ashe how to get over the need for revenge

damn
looks cool af

Snow is pretty masculine chad though, and fucks a prime 16 tight pussy that's better than her sister.
And Sazh is the polar opposite of what Japanese women like, he's a fucking stereotypical afro nigger.

You're getting incredibly buzzwordy about not being able to just admit you were wrong. Not him by the way.

pretty sure it worked for america as well

there's a stupid amount of female final fantasy fans

I'M CAPTAIN BASCH RON RONSENBERG OF DALMASKA!!!
I'M CAPTAIN BASCH!!!

>play SE rpg
>you play as a dude all the girls would fall for
>is canon straight

>play bioware rpg
>you literally play as a canon homo body builder dude every fucking time

what did they mean by this

With the 13 trilogy I’m more referencing the female lead.

sazh is the worst final fantasy character ever

absolute dog shit character design

dude keeps a BIRD in his fucking HAIR

And the best written member of 13 and one of the best in the series

don't listen to ondore's lies

As much as everyone hated vaan, I was rooting for my bouy to get with Ashe the whole game

But never happened

That is true, women do tend to self insert as Lightning and pair her with Hope which is the most popular pairing in the fandom because women just want that prime shota cock.

Wearing a thin, white shirt would actually be cooler though

> this amount of autism
This is why I come to Sup Forums

just like most things in your life

just

never happened :\

Well what other choice do they have, a 10yo and a nigger

Penelo is better, younger, better figure, pure blonde, confirmed virgin, devoted and faithful.
Ashe is an old hag and is used goods to boot.
Larsa got cucked HARD by Vaan by losing the Penelobowl.

...

Is it ever explained how the two of them got together?
They are pretty much inseparable by the time of FF12 and understand each other without saying anything.

actually, they like femine faces
they still want the character to be fit and have a cool, confident attitude


on the other hand FF12 is dominated by middle aged dudes, Vaas is the only young male in the whole game and he isn't really a protag

Fuck you Sazh was just about the only redeeming character in the shitheap that was FFXIII. Fang was alright

don't forget he has a cooler airship than balthier too now, and is banging penelo on the regular.

all women love black men

if she says she doesn't, she's lying or repressed

>a 10yo and a nigger
Who's the 10yo?
Vanille and Fang are confirmed lesbo couple.
Sazh is a widower who is too old for this shit, Snow is taken by Serah.

it's like han solo and chewbacca if chewbacca was a delicious brown rabbit girl instead

They probably just fucked like rabbits offscreen

>larsa got cucked
Vaan had the penelo bowl won from the very beginning of the game. Even before his brother died. There was no cucking at all. Just rejection.

t. dreamy nigger.

No, but you get more scenes with them in Revenant Wings aka 12-2 which is also a criminally underrated game with cool RTS-lite mechanics.

nope. educated white man

You mean "white soyboy addicted to BLACKED videos."

Yup, it's really fucking obvious that those three are important and relevant to the plot and the other three most definitely are not.

The one you didn't mention

RW is a Toriyama-written abomination.

He is not a canon homo. You choose to be a canon homo. You're projecting.

>Penelo has achieved her dream of becoming a dancer and joins her friend Vaan, now a sky pirate with his own airship, as his partner.

She already got whored out.

Which is who you fucking dumb shitposter?

blacked porn is more realistic. idiot

look at the white women of today

they love black cock

take your racist shit and leave. stay on topic

Okcupid

WAIT
Hope is the 10yo
Fug I thought it was Snow

Reminder that he was perfectly lucid and did nothing wrong.

Essentially, the cultural belief in Japan is that truly masculine, straight men are so heterosexual that they can look like women and still pick up chicks. Even going back centuries Japan's beauty ideal for men was effeminate, pale, and soft.

On the other extreme, they consider men who are outwardly masculine, muscular, and hairy to be extremely gay because it's so male only other men will like it.

tl;dr - East Asia has strange ass beauty ideals.

does snow look like he's 10 to you

t. never played it

But the original post is literally the argument that women self insert as Lightning and pair up with Hope. Also Hope is 15 in FF13. Your argument was that "well the only other choices (than Hope) are the nigger and the 10 year old" which is why I asked who the fuck are you talking about.

To be fair, he never explained that his tulpa was actually real to anyone which is why everyone thought he was cray cray. All he had to do was ask Venat to show himself to everyone.
Also Venat is the true hero of FF12.

>that post
>that redditspacing.
Holy fuck, the more you post the more you sound like a walking soyboy stereotype.

I fucking hate how they raped the textures in 12 HD. I wish there was a mod to restore original textures from IZJS PS2 for characters and levels.

Textures themselves are fine or better, you are talking about some effects.