What's Sup Forums's official stance on piracy? Does it hurt the industry? Is it morally incorrect?

What's Sup Forums's official stance on piracy? Does it hurt the industry? Is it morally incorrect?

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It doesn’t hurt the industry enough imo, no matter how many games I torrent they keep pumping out more shit games

>Does it hurt the industry?
No
>Is it morally incorrect?
if you're a faggot

You are getting access to a good or service without compensating the creator and distributor for it. This is morally suspect, even if there is no real damage done.

t. EA

It depends, there are some cases where it doesn't do any harm, but there are some where it does. If you do it because of a principle or trying to save money, you're pretty shitty.
I did it when I couldn't even afford food. No one lost a sale because I never would have bought it.
I haven't pirated in 11 years now since i graduated college and made a steady income.

It hurts the industry, but only in a minor way. The real victims of piracy are the consumers who actually buy games and now have to put up with ridiculous DRM and having to wait an extra 6 months for PC releases

If a game doesn't get a proper physical release then it should be pirated.
Paid digital distribution, especially Steam and GOG, are absolute cancer.

Games are a good yet they are now sold as a service "thanks" to paid digital distribution. That is morally suspect and there has been damage done.
Also
>Paying for nothing
No one should do this.

Before the cancer infection nobody really care. After 2014 piracy is... "problematic" and you have posts showing that.

Pirates who do so "out-of-principle" are retarded but moralfags who pretend they buy games out of some arbitrary moral obligation instead of just purchasing a product are even more retarded

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>purchasing a product
They aren't when they buy digitally though. They are literally paying for nothing.
Games are a good and should be sold as such.

>This is morally suspect
you mean when gaming companies dont pay regular corporate taxes? when gaming companies create schemes that are psychologically proven to make weak minded people buy loot boxes? yeah totally the same

All forms of piracy constitute an attention market so yeah. Netflix says its greatest competition is sleep. What do you think it says when you can just pirate games like a dirty leech and suck off the economy and moral foundation of society for your gain?

All pirates are as much dumbasses as they are immoral/apathetic whatever your mileage (but then you are dumbasses so of course you wouldn't know why the difference between these two labels matters).

If you want to play semantics, piracy is copyright infringement which you could argue is a form of theft(in the broadest sense). but really who cares about harming copyright holders?

Why would I pay for something I can get for free, without any repercussions whatsoever?
When there are two ways to obtain the same product, one involving me lossing money and one that doesen't, I sure as fuck would pick the one where I don't lose any money. I barely register the option of spending money on digital products, it doesen't exist in my mind. You might as well ask me to go around the street and hand my money to random people, it's fucking retarded.
In fact, I think that people who buy games must be mentally ill. The same people would jump of a cliff to get down when there is a lift 5 feet away. They are retards, there is no other word for it.

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Why would I buy a game when there's plenty of moralfaggots in this thread who will do so on my behalf?

>Is it morally incorrect?
Ever since devs stopped making demos of their games it became morally acceptable to pirate, at least for me.

i love piracy, its great!

Games are no longer games but services that the provider can revoke if he thinks you are not giving it a fair use. Fuck him and show your disagreement by pirating his product. The only devs I support are the ones thay dont label their games with any form of DRM, and the ones that are already getting their third yatch from their oversold product.

Sup Forums absolutely hates Nintendo but badly wants to play their games, so he thinks piracy is fine for that one company.

Only way I'd advocate piracy is to preserve history when the industry chooses not to.

See: Abandonware, Licensed Games, old versions of software no longer available, etc.

>everyone else is Sup Forums except me, i'm the sole exception even though i'm still participating
why do you do this?

hear that bitch this nigga just called u a dinosaur

>The "just deserts" defense

Immorality as retaliation for immorality is still immoral.

>i pirate games because babby want something for nothing, gibsmedat i'm a nigger etc

Morally wrong, hurts the industry.

>i pirate games because the developers+publishers of those particular games are babby want something for nothing gibsmedat niggers abusing dlc, microtransactions, drm, and generally being contemptuous anti-consumer urethra infections for no reason

Morally right, helps the industry by not monetarily incentivizing such practices while still exposing any underlying quality game design (or bad game design for that matter) via word of mouth.

>hairy armpits
That's my fetish.

>official stance
You must be looking for reddit groupthink, newfag.

Because pirating is more difficult (not impossible I know but no longer worth the trouble) I have stopped pirating. But that doesn't mean I've bought the games unless they were on a massive sale.
I've bought games that I had pirated previously but never replayed them (replayed a few though) because having them in my steam library is comfy.

>Think of game I want to play
>Do I own the game?
>No
>Is it on sale?
>No

Pirate it is.

>only reddit is group-think
Because Sup Forums DEFINITELY isn't a cesspool of 14 year olds parroting whatever opinions they hear first.

I only pirate if
> I have the game on another system, because they need to get on to making cross-buy industry standard
> It's got insane levels of DRM on it (Basically any Ubisoft game)

Some are, some are not. Difficult concept to grasp, I know.

This

Most games can be aquired super cheap in sales anyways now. Support games you love, not all companies are EA

There's theft and exploitation going in both directions. Games are overpriced, not regulated for quality and despite being a digital medium, not easily available.

Case in point: imagine buying a DVD but you could only watch it on Samsung DVD players. Now imagine this technology getting outdated every 5 years and there are multiple competitors. It's a shambles and manufacturers are definitely exploiting you. At least movies will assuredly be re-released in a newer format eventually or devices will offer backwards compatibility, video games by comparison are much more limited.

Piracy can hurt developers, yes, though video game piracy is still nowhere bear the level of MP3 piracy a few years back. We need to remember that most people who pirate wouldn't have bought these games anyway, and does this still apply to retro games which aren't even commercially available anymore? The law says yes but the license holders aren't making these games easy to find either. For example, how could I find Atari Lynx games without being the victim of scalpers? If this were applied to any other medium, there would be an outrage.

The solution is obvious. We need a unified platform for all games with all games ever made available at fair prices. The world is already taking steps towards this with services like Spotify and Netflix but video games are lagging behind. Corporate greed is responsible for this but consumers are doing nothing about it either.

tl;dr: Consumers and developers alike are competing to take advantage of each other. There is currently no convenient way to buy games (across all platforms) at fair prices and therefore morals are a grey zone. There's no use talking about who's right or wrong here, only how to find games in the most convenient way while making sure devs still make enough money to survive.

This is objectively true and only retarded faggots disagree. And I pirate 99.999% of my games, don't even remember the last game I spent $60 or even $50 on.

I just don't think it's that big of a deal.

I don't want to be filthy pirate, so I honestly buy all my games at -95% discount several years after release

reddit and Sup Forums culture encourage almost opposite behavior. Reddit encourages conformity, upvotes make your post more visible and even give you a dopamine hit of "oh that comment got 20 points". Sup Forums encourages contrarianism, the only validation that your post even made an impact is getting replies.

there's a degree of group-think in any community, but it's extremely severe on reddit

>Does it hurt the industry?
It hurts bad games since people wont bother buying them after trying.
Is it morally incorrect?
Technically speaking yes since you're not paying for something someone made and expects compensation for. That being said unless the developers self publish then they aren't really hurt by that since the publisher pays for the game to be made initially. The optimal consumer choice is actually pirate a game first, and if you like it then pay for it as a show of support.