What happens during the Age of Dark?

What happens during the Age of Dark?

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same world, no sun or fire. Just really dark and shitty. Isn't really well explained

More than likely things literally go completely dark as you see in untended graves in DS3 and all beings return to a hollow state like you see in the beginning of DS1.

But I think really, nobody knows.

everybody was inmortal

Like Africa.

How is this supposed to be the age of men if it's so shit?

Wonderful things!
You get to be the dark lord, after all, and you no longer need to carry around all of that humanity- here, give it to me and I'll hold onto it. No need to burden yourself, after all.

This. You get to lead the army of the dark, you’re totally in charge of everything now bro. No reason to look a gift horse in the mouth and ask questions. Just listen to the snakes, don’t tell me Kaathe has a face you can’t trust.

Dunno, maybe in the DS universe men can live without the energy from fire but gods and dragons can't? Dark Souls lore is really only "deep" because it leaves about 90% of it unexplained to be speculated on by youtube nerds

Mans natural state is being hollow.

There's no basis for that in any mythology/psychological theories. So that's just completely random and unconvincing.

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>Where fire resideth, shadows twist and shrivel.
>But in the Abyss, there are shadows none.
Age of Dark would be somewhere between the abyss in DaS1 where you had drifty ghost dudes chilling out, and I'm willing to include the grave area in DaS2 where there's no light and all the undead are snugly sleeping in the ground or whatever.
The pygmies who got shreds of the dark soul gained the appearance of "humanity" (non hollow) but their natural state is bacon people. We don't know if being a bacon person is less bad when there's no fire around though.

The world is cloaked in an impenetrable darkness until the light returns.

Play Dragon's Dogma and beat the dragon to experience an age of dark.

>Play Dragon's Dogma and beat the dragon to experience an age of dark.
That's actually Berserk post-Eclipse

As far as we know, people say "Can you still hear me?" or the like.

> t. Kaathe

Honestly, I think it would be not technically possible

I think what Untended Graves suggests is that, in an age of Dark, time warps in on itself where past, present, and future all overlap in a single moment. But if that's the case, then that means if the Flame dies out, and all time folds in on itself, that means that the time in which the Flame WAS lit would also be in effect. Basically, I think it would just reset time to when the Flame first came into existence. In other words, an age of TRUE Dark can never be, since it would probably just reset to zero anyway

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the ghosts in the abyss are pure humanity from the dark soul
the pygmy used the dark soul to create humans, the dark soul has the special property that splitting it doesnt diminish its power so when he split it in half and had 2 dark souls they were equal

Get out of here Frampt

i think its simpler than that, Fire represents change
the dark is unchanging

Semi-off topic, but is there anywhere I can read up on Demon's Souls lore? I never see any discussion on it here.

By humanity I meant squishy flesh people and not shambly looking dudes, not the abyss humanity despite mentioning it concurrently
I suppose the best way to put it would be that the infinitely divided up dark soul would saturated everything and the world would be in a sort of comfortable stasis, not quite the same as pre-flame though

I’m not sure that’s the case as we’ve already seen what the unchanging world is like in the age of dragons. That changed with the discovery of the various powers which included the dark soul.

That's because it's fucking boring. There's nothing at all to discuss. Unless you want to theorize on the lore of the demons themselves, I guess.

Weren't they all just birthed from the witch of izalith

I don't think it is, but okay.

What happens during the age of dark is I jerk off quietly. That's it.

yeah it really doesnt make much sense, the lore states that pre age of fire the world was unchanging but then implies that fire is change and the dark is unchanging but the pre age of fire wasnt the dark

Fire is orderly change, the hierarchy and rule of the gods, Dark is chaotic change, no gods, just men.

Your thinking of the demons from Dark Souls, not the demons from Demons Souls--quite a few demons in that game are either a) humans who have sold their soul to another demon in order to gain power (although all of them are actually incredibly weak) or b) appear to be physical manifestations of folklore/the natural environment

The Age of Dark is the Industrial Age aka the time period we live in today

Because there are no gods to rule over them

>quite a few demons in that game are either a) humans who have sold their soul to another demon in order to gain power
I was under the impression that you simply became more demonic as you absorbed more and more souls. Why this didn't start occurring to the slayer of demons though is something I'm unsure about, because logically it should have. Then again, one of the most powerful demons in the entire game (aside from the slayer themselves in the betrayal ending) was pretty much an ordinary-looking man, except he was somewhat taller than usual.
I don't believe there was any actual selling of souls going on though since it's firmly established within DeS lore that you obtain more power specifically by consuming more souls.

i swear ludleth states something about the dark being unchanging and its why he linked the fire

Age of Dark is a scam. You see what happened to the dlc kingdom when they entered an age of dark. Difference is that snakes rule instead of gods.

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dudes like manus are basically gods among men, and the actual age of fire gods are empowered soul folks
the title of Dark Lord also implies leadership
Same with Kaathe being the number one snake

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Basically what said, pre-age of Fire isn't Dark, but Grey--rulers in the age of Fire are the Gods, who thrive in ordered society where their worship is rule, which parallels the Flame and how it requires the devotion of others in order to be maintained--the true rulers of the age of Dark aren't men or pygmies, but rather the scavenger species of the Primordial Serpents and Locusts, creatures that thrive on disorder and subterfuge, tricking others in order to sate their own endless appetites, which parallels how Dark has this rather strong corrosive effect that seemingly devours reality--Dragons aren't technically alive, they just are, and they kind of epitomize the age of Grey as something isn't really alive or dead, it just is

>let solaire hollow
>too far in the run to reset
fuck bros i should have known nothing nice could ever happen
first that lautrec kike and now this

>We never got pic related
I know you're reading this Miyazaki, you're a fucking hack.

I think there's a tipping point where once you've consumed enough souls, you become a demon, or can at least be classified as one. But then there's other types, like whatever Armor Spider is, Leechmonger and Dirty Colossus being amalgamations of creatures, the artificial demons the Old Monk made in Latria, False King Allant was the true king's demon, like it was something he made himself, like it's the idea of Allant made manifest, and lastly there's how Maiden Astraea is a demon, did she or Garl kill something in there for the power? Was there already a significant amount of souls at the core of he Valley of Defilement for her to become a demon?

Looks like a giant bloathead really
The final boss should have been a reskin of the hydra with the same 3 awful attacks and hitboxes, but with primordial serpents for heads
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>Dragons aren't technically alive, they just are, and they kind of epitomize the age of Grey as something isn't really alive or dead, it just is
What the fuck does that even mean

what the fuck did you just say kid?

Bloodborne

They exist, without being alive in the same sense that other things are
Things like the undead dragon in drake valley are just a normal ass dragon which has had nito's goop seep into it, and the izalith dragonbutts are dumb but they're just sort of there in a changed environment, notably without a front half
And the dragon in ash lake is invulnerable save for snipping the tail

I'm actually kind of fuzzy on exactly what transpired with garl and astraea in the valley of defilement. The thing I remember most prominently is that their time spent within the valley slowly twisted their faith into something else. Astraea intended to cleanse the valley of its filth, and the denizens of the valley probably died constantly, so it's possible that both her and garl unwittingly absorbed the souls of all the dead people until they became the demons we slay in demon's souls.
Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong because it's been years since I last played demon's souls and my memory is fuzzy.

The thing that is often forgotten in the hollow/humanity discussion, are the natural souls. The souls that people are born with. Every person had a soul before the lord souls existed. They were not hollow.

The dark soul, however, acted as a source of power for the humans. As did the fiery souls did for everyone else. The reason people turned hollow, is that the fire was eroding the dark. That's the point of the dark sign. It's a symbol of the fire binding the dark, as it consumes it. Because a human's natural soul is bound to the dark soul, it too is consumed by the fire. And that's when Hollows are made.

By extinguishing the fire, humanity ceases to erode further, and humans can keep their souls bound to dark.

The Darkwraiths stole humanity, because the fire binded it. That's what Kaathe means by removing the shackles.

It's more metaphorical than literal, but it is essentially the same idea--of the the three humans that became Demons (not including the Slayer unless Betrayal is canon) Allant ties his soul and body with those of the Arch Demons, which is why he's so weak and frail when we confront him (as he was essentially drawing his essence and power from them) the Old Monk loses his sanity and his will to live when the Golden Cloak leaves him, suggesting that it was draining his life force as a price for the power it gave him, and then Maiden Astrea supposedly ACCEPTS the soul of a Demon into her (which is a bit murky, but I think is meant to suggest that rather than taking a hold of the Soul's power, she lets it mingle with and overtake her own soul, in essence corrupting it)

I guess the difference between these three that become Demons and other humans is that humans merely acquire the souls of Demons and use them the way you would use any other tool, while these three appear to have given something up in exchange for the power each individual Demon/set of Demons gave them

You would think that, yes.

The ocean called "humanity" flooded the world

This is the start of it, swampy and mucked up, but it ends with the whole world in an age of deep, when the dregs pile up and consume everything

>I guess the difference between these three that become Demons and other humans is that humans merely acquire the souls of Demons and use them the way you would use any other tool, while these three appear to have given something up in exchange for the power each individual Demon/set of Demons gave them
This theory makes sense, but then that leaves the mystery of why the slayer of demons still looks 100% human even though he's hungrily consuming souls like a vacuum. Also, I forgot to clarify that I was referring to the false king allant, not the actual king that you find inside the old one, but you probably figured that out anyway.

And Dark Souls is heavily inspired by Berserk, so there ya go

Reminder that the Primordial Serpents have a death animation and at some point during development you would have had the option of battling/killing them

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Looks like the Idea of Evil from Berserk.

You know what you guys need?

To upturn the grave of primeval man and feast on his humanity?

>Old Monk loses his sanity and his will to live when the Golden Cloak leaves him, suggesting that it was draining his life force as a price for the power it gave him
I was under the impression that robe was simply using the man as a medium to do stuff, he was its slave.

>The Idea of Evil (also known as the Desired God) is a primordial entity residing in the Abyss. It is responsible for the fate of humanity, acting on the species' collective desires.

Sounds spot on

Isn't lifedrain supposed to steal humanity without killing? At least ideally. So you dark hand some loser and take their humanity, while not taking their white souls, so your own ratio gets progressively darker.

Because he doesn't actually say anything substential.

>bound to the dark
what the fuck does that even mean?

What am I in for?

I suppose the Maiden in Black, as a Demon herself, provides a potential excuse--she isn't technically granting the player power, she's merely funneling the power of the souls we've acquired, otherwise the player would be putting their own soul at risk--the player isn't technically giving anything up that's actually theirs, rather their using souls that the Maiden herself calls "ownerless"

I was under the impression the age of dark would change the age of fire world proportional to how the age of fire changed the age of ancients where all the kingdoms and ruins would be the backdrop of a brave new world where you can't see anything

I guess that's a good way to look at it. I never thought about it like that.

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That's literally the opposite
The continuation of fire is to preserve a shitty situation where the world starts breaking down and people go insane from undeath
Ending the age of fire is accepting death/change

>Played DS1 blind
>Come back and I'm hearin that heavy ass breathing
>Aw fuck it's goin be a fight, I'm scared this sounds like a big ass motherfucker.
>Turn the corner
> Hmgg... Hmgg...
>Ahh, hello. Was it you who rang the Bell of Awakening? I am the primordial serpent, Kingseeker Frampt, close friend of the Great Lord Gwyn. Chosen Undead, who has rung the Bell of Awakening. I wish to elucidate your fate. Do you seek such enlightenment?

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would have cemented ds1 as the gotyay

I watched someone play it blind and they whacked Frampt thinking he was an actual enemy or whatever

>Isn't lifedrain supposed to steal humanity without killing? At least ideally.
I don't really know if it's supposed to kill or not. But I doubt the darkwraiths care if you die. And besides, your natural soul has likely already been eroded, so that taking the dark soul will leave you half mad. Like all those passive hollows in New Londo. If you leave them alone, then they don't fuck with you. Because they haven't fully hollowed. But chances are, they lost their humanity.

Also, this is why Sieglinde so casually states that if Siegmeyer comes back, she will simply kill him again. It's because dying once has caused him to lose his humanity. Dying twice will snuff out his natural soul, thus killing him for good.

>>bound to the dark
>what the fuck does that even mean?
It means that humans are born with a piece of the dark soul in them. You don't choose to take on the dark, you naturally have it in you.

It's a bit strange--the robe doesn't appear to have any specific allegiance to the Old Monk himself, and appears to simply attach itself to whoever is most convenient for it (which is why invading players receive the Head Wrap, it signifies that the robe has found the invading player to be useful) which would suggest a master slave relationship--on the other hand, if the robe is that callous, then why bother with the rituals designed to create a heart that can keep the Old Monk alive? Hell, why bother going back to Latria specifically, if not for revenge on the Monk's part? I think the Monk was aware of his actions for a time, but continued use of the robe essentially drained him of his faculties. Depending on how you take the cutscene in which he appears, it kind of looks like the Monk is surprised when the robe leaves him to attach itself to the invader he just summoned, suggesting that maybe it wasn't such a clear cut master slave dynamic, and that the robe doesn't really care who possess it as long as it gets to drain them of their life force

It doesn’t mean anything logically, it’s mythological. Many myths have been written about the beginning of mankind, they usually go something like this: there was a time before life as we know it where there was no knowledge, no striving, no suffering. There came a point where man started to see the world differently, usually by acquiring forbidden knowledge. Knowledge of future goals to strive for, knowledge of evil to avoid, and knowledge of how he could be evil. This knowledge puts man on the path of good, but some on the path of evil. Long story short, the knowledge is forbidden because it leads to the capacity for evil. But what do you do? Stomp out the fire to end evil but also goodness, or continue the fire and let man fight for goodness while allowing the capacity for evil? When people say thing such as “if god is real, how could he let evil things happen” aren’t cued into the thousands of years of myths about this. For life to be good, it has to have the potential to be bad.

they have an age of dark level in DS3

what???

>The continuation of fire is to preserve a shitty situation where the world starts breaking down and people go insane from undeath

I've seen this before where people say that the Undead Curse is a result of the Age of Fire going on longer then it needed to, except isn't it made clear that Hollows/Undead are only really a thing as the more the Flame has faded? It seems like they don't really exist when the Flame is all bright and roaring, but rather start to become more and more common as Dark starts to encroach on reality

its the untended graves

no it isnt, the age of fire is the age of change because before the first flame the world was unchanging

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Is the hood feathers?
I could never figure it out
In 3 it's stringy tree looking stuff which is thematic but it's not the same as 1

did you guys hear solaire is going to be in soul caliber 6

it's probably similar to the concepts such as temperature. for there to be heat cold also must exist, because both heat and cold are just our observation of a different state of atomic speed. you can't just have the particles move fast to make everything hot, they will always move at various speeds, creating both the illusion of heat and cold. the same principle applies to light and darkness, good and evil, or emotions such as love and hate. if you want to get rid of one, the only way is to also destroy the other, because ultimately there are no opposites, both are the same thing at differing scale or frequency, observed and recognized as different or opposing by the observer.

the only way to end the illusory division between "heat and cold", between "light and darkness", between "love and hate" is to stop the changes completely, make everything static, dead, to destroy time itself. that's why the "battle of good vs evil" will never end on this plane of existence without it going absolutely dead first. as long as any form of life (action) exists, so does that division, regardless of whether the observer is aware of it or not (through methods like "fruit of knowledge" or other symbols of gaining awareness).

>The world is cloaked in an impenetrable darkness until the light returns.

An age of dark isn't about a world in darkness, an age of dark is an age of man because humanity is dark/black.

Can people stop using the literal sense of the word here, no wonder so many of you get confused over it's meaning.

Only the abyss is truly a realm of darkness as it is know as a shadowlees realm.

It changed during the age of disparity
When that ended, the gods saw that their reign/time was coming to an end, so they extended the flame, creating an unnatural age of fire because they feared dying/fading away in a world that'd outgrown them
The continuation and linking of fire is an attempt to continue the norm

I'm guessing nobody else was worthy or useful enough to the robe, so it constructed the heart to keep its current medium alive.

Story wise, confusion...
Unless you played an optional area in DS1.

The lights go out and that's it. You realize you can't walk anywhere without stumbling upon your feet and you'll get a cold because no fire. There's also skeleton monsters going around.

Congratulations.

Is that pic anti-technological propaganda?

FC standing for Freedom Club?

Then what was all that business at the dark end of DS3 all about?

the industrial revolution has been a disaster for the human race

We ages of Light and Dark, but what about ages of Life and Death?

I wonder who could be behind this post.